Janet Reitman's Inside Scientology: Author's Packed L.A. Talks Reveal Why Angelenos Still Want Answers About the Controversial Religion

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Janet Reitman

Every folding chair at Skylight Books in Los Feliz is taken, and standing-room folks jam into any available spot offering a sight line to the front.

The questions pop out.

"What is the political agenda of the church?" asks an audience member.

"What's their attitude toward homosexuality?" asks another.

A third adds: "How much does the average church member spend on texts?"

Even in 2011, Angelenos are fascinated by and fearful of Scientology, the organization started decades ago by philosopher-impresario L. Ron Hubbard.

The speaker this night is Janet Reitman, a tall, whippet-thin writer, who is discussing her book Inside Scientology: The Story of America's Most Secretive Religion. She is an accomplished journalist who has traveled the world in pursuit of stories and whose long piece on Scientology in the February 2006 Rolling Stone provided the seed for the book. She makes a strong point of the objectivity of her work.

It's the audience -- a group of highly educated, urbane, generally left-of-center folks -- that's a bit more conspiracy-minded.

"Who is getting the money?" asks a member of the crowd.

Reitman explains that money contributed by church members goes back into the church and also that Scientology leader David Miscavige has lots of nice "toys" -- expensive goodies of the sort enjoyed by the wealthy and materialistic everywhere.

"How did Scientology get its tax-exempt status?" asks another.

The organization had to lobby and work very hard on the U.S. government and the IRS, says Reitman, not mentioning that tax-exempt status is not odd or unusual for a religious organization, which the Church of Scientology definitely claims to be.

"Do you know of any connection of L. Ron to Jack Parsons, who was connected to JPL, and to occultism like Aleister Crowley and so forth?" asks a man sitting near the back. Reitman says the belief system is based on so-called "esoteric knowledge," revealed in stages over time, as one ascends to higher levels within the organization.

"Is there any sexual blackmail involved in Scientology battling the U.S. government, or photos taken?" asks a woman sternly. Reitman says there is no hard proof of such but discloses repeated talk of the church having used an attractive woman to draw a wealthy or connected man into Scientology. Then, supposedly, the church has photos taken of the prospective member alongside said attractive woman for potential later use as threat or blackmail.

The crowd learns that the entire library of required texts for Scientology members costs $8,000, and that one guy spent $50,000 on a collection of books, old E-Meters and such.

Scientology undeniably provides fascinating fodder for investigation and conversation, with its exotic jargon, highly colorful "Sea Admiral" founder, notable celebrity members and strong Hollywood presence -- the deep-blue East Hollywood headquarters are practically visible from here.

One might think, however, that an organization with maybe a couple hundred thousand members total, all of whom join of their own free will, would be low on the national peril meter compared with ideological groups numbering in the tens or hundreds of millions, which intend to drastically cut government programs, outlaw personal liberties or kill random people in acts of terrorism.

But the Skylight event is impressively attended. And Reitman's appearance two days later at the Steve Allen Theater is off the charts. Rarely has the venue seen a show this crowded. People spill into the lobby area.

The event is sponsored by the Center for Inquiry-West. Reitman is joined onstage by Mark Ebner, a pugnacious journalist acting as interviewer and moderator. If Reitman's critiques of Scientology seem restrained, Ebner's contempt for the organization is overt and pointed. He tells the crowd that the "confidential" information gathered in audits -- private therapy/analysis sessions held by the church -- can be released to harm and threaten dissenters. He says that he tried some auditing and felt that it equaled hypnosis.

Nonetheless, he says, he believes Scientology's numbers are dwindling, attrition is high and that it's open season online on the organization. He says he's not afraid to report on the organization, as it isn't a "snake in the mailbox" religion. Rather, he says, it is a litigation machine.

Outside the theater afterward, people mill around near the table where Reitman signs books.

"We don't want the whole rant and rave anymore," says Laura Jones, 36. "There's so much of that crap on the Internet to sift through. Her being objective about it -- that's what people want now."

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punkchobit
punkchobit

" The organization had to lobby and work very hard on the U.S. government and the IRS, says Reitman"

Yeah, google their project snow white for how much "work" it took

Old OT7
Old OT7

Nice!  "Attack, never defend!"  They are not ALLOWED (and this is thinking for yourself?) to read ANYTHING critical of their cult.  Just like the communists!  They are told what to think, what to say and how to act.  Zombies.  Complete and utter zombies.

Reasonable_Insanity
Reasonable_Insanity

"Copy and Paste!"

This is the new official slogan for the OSA's internet trolls. Since they cannot come up with anything original in the defense of their cult they must continue to rely on the same old methods of defense.........."Copy and Paste!"

Beadweaver
Beadweaver

Louanne/Greta/Portia/Keisha:  Can you tell me why the logo for the "church" is based upon the Christian Cross?  I find that VERY misleading.  There is NO connection between COS and Christianity.  None.  So why the misrepresentation?  No other "religions" take known symbolism from other religions and pervert them for their own use, that I can find.

candace6
candace6

If there were no such thing as the internet, does anyone doubt that this despicable cult would try to do to Reitman what they did to Paulette Cooper? 

mirele
mirele

If there was no such thing as the Internet, Scientology would still be intimidating people. Now its secrets of the universe are available to one and all, and the cult's wackiness is the punchline to numerous jokes. Scientology:  may it be the first cult laughed out of existence.

MrElronious
MrElronious

Portia Medici, today, in this blog, admited Xenu is real or aleast he is in the Tech her is her quote "and you Martha, are qualified to interpret such? Is it meant as fact? Metaphor? Test of wisdom? and so on...such are the tenets of any religion. Did Buddha actually exist? Are Christian scriptures meant to be taken literally? Why are you so myopically focused on Scientology beliefs, when the framework is similar to any other religion? Perhaps there's a clue in there for you..." it was in response to MarthV"The universality of belief in the Evil Galactic Overlord Xenu who sent frozen alien souls across the galaxy on DC-8's to planet earth, then dumped them in volcanos, dropped H-bombs on the volcanos, then captured the escaping alien souls and re-educated them with 3-D movie projectors so they believe in Jesus Christ?  And that each human is infested with these alien souls?  I'm sure THAT belief is exclusive to scientology."

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

*********Public Service Alert*********

Scientology frighten their flock with the illusion Wogs ( non-Scientologist) are out to get them, so the flock becomes dependent solely on Scientology = Control. This is a form of human farming.

The increase in wealth feeds the Church Of Scientology frenzy.

Scilons (Scientologists) avoid the horror of their enslavement because it is so painful to see it directly. They are kept in the cages they refuse to see, wake-up...to see the truth is to leave it.

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

Wow! These OSA socks are mad, very, very mad. LAWL!

candace6
candace6

Or as the now missing former cult spokesclam Tommy Davis would say:  "I'm angry, REAL angry"!

mirele
mirele

Now missing, probably in the Rehabilitation Project Force, Tommy Davis. Bring Back Tommy Davis! He was a hell of a lot more fun than these dweebs.

tigerbalm
tigerbalm

I love it when they pretend they give a shit about Human rights.and Racism and Bigotry yada yada

and the cult of Scientology is in Bed and in a heated feverish romance with Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam.

NCSP
NCSP

Maybe they're not OSA but staff or public working through conditions? They seem a bit more energetic than the usual half-hearted, probably sleep-deprived bunch we see. Also, they've persisted past 2 on the west coast, so they might not just be padding their stats.

ETA: Looking at the timestamps, I see that's not true. Thursday at 2 on the west coast is just about when they stopped commenting. Just the usual stat-padders after all.

MarkStark
MarkStark

I don't think they are getting the "lower conditions" crowd to work the comment sections. To expose people to this level of "entheta," they have to get the hard core zombies, and ones that are only Louanne/Terryeo bright -- the bottom of the barrel. They are well aware of what happened when they put Tory on this detail, thinking she was the poster-girl type of Scilon. They absolutely can't risk another Tory. Any Louanne they choose now, has to be someone who is too ugly to appear in public, ever.

Any book like Reitman's shatters the myth that Sciloontology is widespread and important. To most outsiders, if they know anything about it at all, it is just a freak show.

Now the cult's main spokeshole appears to be some devoted nitwit who only answers by letter. Miscavige can't wire up Tommy or anyone else to behave like a robot and speak in public reliably. They keep short circuiting.

NCSP
NCSP

(Let me hasten to add that I hope they do pad their stats. Despite what they may believe, I don't want anyone to suffer. I hope they're in affluence and get adequate food, sleep, and pay this week. Maybe even a few hours off.)

Greta Busby
Greta Busby

 You are funny. I can't even remotely fathom the world you must be living in. Marsians and FBI agents everywhere, right?

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

Marsians? Did you mean marzipan, or did you mean martians?

How did Staturday go for you this week? Kinda enturbulating, when a full moon, Staturday and Janet Reitman comes to town. Did you shatter a bunch of suppression this week? I doubt it, but if you did, do tell! Thank you!

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Martians—David Miscavige is Marvin the Martian. It's those sciloon insta-martians he's talking about.

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

Try to remember: All of your SPs are belong to us!

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

What do you mean? You Scilons are the ones in a state of panic 24/7, building up your war chest to fight the good people of this earth.

The World needs to know...You Scientologists really think this planet belongs only to you. What a bunch of "Storm Troopers!"

BlackPR
BlackPR

Greta, Perhaps a quick quote from your founder will help you understand real paranoia:

"... I found after the southern African matter that it was vitally necessary that I isolate who it was on this planet that was attacking us. The attacks were all of the same pattern, they always followed the same newspaper routes, they always used the same type of parliamentary member and I thought that I had better look into this very thoroughly. The organisation ... employed several professional intelligence agents ... [who] looked into this matter for us and their results ... have told us all that we needed to know with regard to any enemy we have on this planet. Our enemies are less than twelve men. They are members of the Bank of England and other higher financial circles. They own and control newspaper chains and they, oddly enough, run all the mental health groups in the world that had sprung up." - L. Ron Hubbard -- Ron's Journal 67 (RJ67)

Sweet Little Buttercup
Sweet Little Buttercup

Don’t believe governments, journalists like Janet Reitman, academic researchers, former members or picketers. Believe Scientologists. Then come on down to the local org, for the treatment.

Take the Oxford Capacity Analysis, a questionnaire, which will focus on real or imagined failings in your character. Feel humiliated after taking it. The test has nothing to do with Oxford University or the Oxford Dictionary though the name may have been chosen to imply so.

Accept Scientology as the only solution to your deficiencies.

The first course won't cost much and there will be a lot of pressure on you to take it. "BigLeague Sales Closing Techniques" was once a course book for their registrars who arereally salesmen. It may still be.

But the courses will increase dramatically in price as will their therapy, as time goes on.Movie star Jason Beghe said that he spent over a million before leaving. This is highbut not that unusual. Many estimate total cost to be in the $300,000 to $500,000 range. At the very least, Scientology will have your name and address. Several different Scientology organizations may be sending you literature for the rest of your life. You may also get phone calls.

Surplusgirl
Surplusgirl

I'm sure you can't fathom the world I live in.  It's full of really scary things like independant thought, freedom of movement, and self determination.  I truly hope one day you'll be able to say the same

Surplusgirl
Surplusgirl

wow.....it's OSA rich in here.  This book really scares you guys!

Greta Busby
Greta Busby

Ms. Reitman’s book is a farce, filled with inaccuracies. It is neither scholarly nor well-researched and bears no resemblance to an “inside” story. While preparing her book, Ms. Reitman never contacted the Church and never requested nor interviewed a single Church representative, let alone the ecclesiastical leader of the religion. Ms. Reitman chose to speak exclusively to people outside the Church. She and her publisher refused to accept the Church’s offer to provide information. Her “report” is really no different than a view of, say, the Catholic Church told exclusively by lapsed Catholics or defrocked priests and should more accurately be called OUTSIDE SCIENTOLOGY. The book is a rehash of false and baseless allegations largely drawn from stories written by others that have long been disproved, many held inaccurate, by courts of law.

Despite her claim of “personal interviews and e-mail exchanges with roughly one hundred former and current Scientologists,” Ms. Reitman’s book refers to an exchange with only one Scientologist—a single parishioner in five years. Her primary sources of information are a handful of apostates, previous external affairs officers who are admitted perjurers, dismissed and defrocked when their crimes were discovered. These sources have a documented history of making false and defamatory statements against the Church. Their anger and hostility toward the Church should give anyone serious pause.

Many of Ms. Reitman’s sources are also members of or are affiliated with Anonymous, the cyberterrorist organization that has been the subject of federal investigations for engaging in hate crimes against the Church and its members. Members of Anonymous have been arrested and convicted of federal crimes against the Church. In the past few months Anonymous members have been the subject of intensified global law enforcement investigations involving criminal activities that include violating the privacy of countless innocent people while hacking into accounts at credit card companies, businesses and financial institutions.

If Ms. Reitman were truly “objective” she would have held these sources and their claims up to a harsh and penetrating light instead of putting them on a pedestal. She would have found, among other things, that they boast arrests, a conviction for pummeling an officer of the court, and a failed lawsuit that a federal judge not only tossed out, but also ordered the plaintiffs to reimburse the Church more than $40,000 in court costs.

Claims by Ms. Reitman to have engaged in extensive research for her book are laughable. Perhaps the most significant illustration of her outside Scientology book is Ms. Reitman’s ignorance of the Church’s accomplishments. She could have seen our new Churches in Moscow or Melbourne or any of the dozens opened since 2006 in cities like London, Brussels, Rome, and Washington, D.C., all of them bursting with thousands of new members practicing their chosen faith. Anyone is welcome to experience the Church’s practices and see its humanitarian works firsthand: Scientology’s global human rights initiative has educated millions on human rights; its “Truth About Drugs” crusade teaches millions how to live drug-free; and our global Volunteer Ministers disaster relief program has been hailed by the international community.

There is nothing secretive about Scientology. Our Churches, located in major cities around the world, are open seven days a week. Many have public display areas to answer all questions about Scientology beliefs and practices. Anyone who wants to know the true story of Scientology should find out for themselves by coming to a Church of Scientology, whose doors are always open.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Paste and cut, the work that's ideal for brainwashed Sci-Loons. Can't think, can post. And how is this day different from any other day?

Arthur
Arthur

Hint: Repeating lies won't make them true.

Beadweaver
Beadweaver

Repeat space-filling garbage much?  You are obviously brainwashed to the gills.  Your org will destroy you.

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

Hello??? The book is a best seller and has been for months! You are very late to the party.

Protip: never try to defeat a tsunami with a defective umbrella.

Greta Busby
Greta Busby

I guess comment moderation is on drugs at the moment? 

choocho
choocho

No Louanne, they probably just don't want to publish your spam links unless you pay advertising rates.

tigerbalm
tigerbalm

they are part time psychiatrists! and you are part of an online study of dementia and Wogs who are critical of Scientology  are the Bait to lure out the moonbats

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

Naw...it's the intense stink of $cilon moonbats that keeps them outa here. I recommend a good deodorant and mouthwash.

Cecero
Cecero

Reitman’s book is riddled with documentable lies that have long since been disproven in court. A number of her “sources” have been ruled by courts to lack credibility. Her exclusive reliance on these lies and sources is thus biased, malicious and most of all, calculated.

In the interest of fairness, the following are some passages found in Reitman's  book that are true:

“Scientology is considered by some academics within the field of comparative religion to be one of the most significant faiths born in the past century.”

“Scientology is experiencing unprecedented expansion, its worldwide membership ‘growing faster now than at any time in its history.’... And to be sure, Scientology has expanded its reach in the developing world, where the church is opening missions in such far-flung locales as Kazakhstan.”

“The church is in some ways more accessible than ever. Since 2009, the Church of Scientology has significantly upgraded its online presence, to explain its beliefs and its connection to other religions and philosophies; it even offers a virtual tour of a Scientology organization. A separateScientology video channel presents scores of testimonials to Scientology’s effectiveness in handling life’s problems.”

“Mr. Miscavige’s role is the steward who would consolidate Hubbard’s movement and guide it into a new age.”

“Since 2004, the church has purchased seventy buildings in cities around the world, many of them faded gems that have been meticulously restored.”

“(The Church’s) missionaries, known as ‘volunteer ministers,’ tour the developing world and are sent, en masse, to deliver aid in familiar disaster zones such as earthquake-ravaged Port-au-Prince or New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.”

“Scientologists live in virtually every major city in America and in numerous smaller cities and suburbs as well: they can be found in every age group and vocation.”

“...the vast majority of Scientologists are people you have never heard of. Many work in various parts of the entertainment industry, but still more of them write, teach, create art, build houses, trade stock, manage hedge funds, own businesses, and invent new forms of technology. They run schools and drug rehabilitation programs, work in prisons and inner cities, and lobby Congress and federal regulators.”

Arthur
Arthur

"Documentable"?  Oh, yeah?

What documents can you provide other than Church of Scientology fakes and fabrications?

"Documentable".  Not likely.

choocho
choocho

Hi Louanne, new account?

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Pity—immortality isn't all it's claimed to be. By way of example, you clearly suffer from dementia.

Scientology is falling apart like a cheap suit in a hailstorm.

Reasonable_Insanity
Reasonable_Insanity

I'm calling bullshit on the sci tech fixing stuff.......just saying, I don't it would ever work out.

mirele
mirele

If there are lies, then let's see the lawsuits. The book's been out four months...and gee, guess what? No lawsuits. You guys are full of sh*t.

Portia Medici
Portia Medici

Mirele, please, your camp can't both criticize the Church for being litigious, AND also prompt them to litigate at the same time. The Church has responded publicly to Reitman's claims, you can accept that or not as is your right. Lastly, I'll end this response with a bit more respect than you posted with.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Greta and Portia, it's people like you that inspire me to blast white hot Entheta at the Church of Scientology. Thank you.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

We don't have respect for people defending criminal cults, so I'm not about to bother. It's like James Murdoch and Tom Watson—you can't litigate our opinions, particularly when the data backs us up. Being called a name like that might get under your skin but that doesn't change the fact that it's true. You're caught up in a operation that looks more like the Mafia than even News International.

MarkStark
MarkStark

The point about litigation is that because of the Internet, the cult can't use frivolous and false claims, just to attempt to ruin an organization as they did with TIME magazine over the Behar article about the cult. The cult lost that suit, but for years it scared away publishers from doing stories on the cult, because they didn't want to bear the litigation costs.

Would the cult sue a publisher, if they REALLY had a case? Yes, they probably would.

Today, could the cult get away with what they did to the Cult Awareness Network? No!

As Mirele wrote, the cult has no case against Janet Reitman, just as they couldn't sue Lawrence Wright for exposing that Hubbard was never blind or a war hero, but the cult faked his medals, awarding him some medals that didn't even exist at the time. Even though the cult has more money than ever to do so, they can't throw law suits against organizations because it would just raise the cult's profile as a bunch of scamming,creepy, lying bullies. Everyone would have access to the details, especially if it went to trial.

Do you realize how powerless your cult has become all because the way you operate is now fully exposed?

We know how you stroke the egos of shallow celebrities like Cruise and Alley. We know how you lie about the powerz and accomplishments of L. Ron Hubbard.

mirele
mirele

Greta Busby:  that was sure a load of word salad. For people who consult a dictionary like it was Holy Scripture, this is a big fat boatload of FAIL.

Arthur
Arthur

Yes, the Church of Scientology will sue people at the drop of a hat.

No, the Church of Scientology will NOT sue Janet Reitman.

Why? Because what she says is TRUE and your little "church" doesn't want that PROVEN IN COURT.  So you flap your gums about how it is "all lies" but you can't sue because it's all true.

Greta Busby
Greta Busby

 mirele, it's people like you that make volunteer a lot for the Church of Scientology. Thank you.

mirele
mirele

I can do whatever I want, unlike you, who has to toe the line that the Office of Special Affairs has set out for you. Now fuck off dear, adults are talking.

mirele
mirele

Oh, wait, I forgot...I suppose we have to wait several more months until the Freedumb ("Freedom") "magazine" take on Reitman's book. As if the last "exposes" did more than enhance the reputations of their putative victims. LOL

Greta Busby
Greta Busby

Here it is: wwrn dot org/articles/35804/

anet Reitman’s book “Inside Scientology”

Ms. Reitman’s book is filled with inaccuracies. It is neither scholarly nor well-researched and bears no resemblance to an “inside” story. While preparing her book, Ms. Reitman never contacted the Church and never requested nor interviewed a single Church representative, let alone the ecclesiastical leader of the religion. Ms. Reitman chose to speak exclusively to people outside the Church. She and her publisher refused to accept the Church’s offer to provide information. Her “report” is really no different than a view of, say, the Catholic Church told exclusively by lapsed Catholics or defrocked priests and should more accurately be called OUTSIDE SCIENTOLOGY. The book is a rehash of false and baseless allegations largely drawn from stories written by others that have long been disproved, many held inaccurate, by courts of law.

Despite her claim of “personal interviews and e-mail exchanges with roughly one hundred former and current Scientologists,” Ms. Reitman’s book refers to an exchange with only one Scientologist—a single parishioner in five years. Her primary sources of information are a handful of apostates, previous external affairs officers who are admitted perjurers, dismissed and defrocked when their crimes were discovered. These sources have a documented history of making false and defamatory statements against the Church. Their anger and hostility toward the Church should give anyone serious pause.

Many of Ms. Reitman’s sources are also members of or are affiliated with Anonymous, the cyberterrorist organization that has been the subject of federal investigations for engaging in hate crimes against the Church and its members. Members of Anonymous have been arrested and convicted of federal crimes against the Church. In the past few months Anonymous members have been the subject of intensified global law enforcement investigations involving criminal activities that include violating the privacy of countless innocent people while hacking into accounts at credit card companies, businesses and financial institutions.

If Ms. Reitman were truly “objective” she would have held these sources and their claims up to a harsh and penetrating light instead of putting them on a pedestal. She would have found, among other things, that they boast arrests, a conviction for pummeling an officer of the court, and a failed lawsuit that a federal judge not only tossed out, but also ordered the plaintiffs to reimburse the Church more than $40,000 in court costs.

Claims by Ms. Reitman to have engaged in extensive research for her book are laughable. Perhaps the most significant illustration of her outside Scientology book is Ms. Reitman’s ignorance of the Church’s accomplishments. She could have seen our new Churches in Moscow or Melbourne or any of the dozens opened since 2006 in cities like London, Brussels, Rome, and Washington, D.C., all of them bursting with thousands of new members practicing their chosen faith. Anyone is welcome to experience the Church’s practices and see its humanitarian works firsthand: Scientology’s global human rights initiative has educated millions on human rights; its “Truth About Drugs” crusade teaches millions how to live drug-free; and our global Volunteer Ministers disaster relief program has been hailed by the international community.

There is nothing secretive about Scientology. Our Churches, located in major cities around the world, are open seven days a week. Many have public display areas to answer all questions about Scientology beliefs and practices. Anyone who wants to know the true story of Scientology should find out for themselves by coming to a Church of Scientology, whose doors are always open, or go to the Church's website, www.Scientology.org.

MarkStark
MarkStark

 You don't have to postulate about your OSA sock-puppet propaganda getting non-Scilons to ignore Reitman's book. It will not dissuade one person from reading this book, if they are curious about your cult. 

Greta Busby
Greta Busby

 MarkStark, thank you for your time. Now piss off and insult someone else.

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

Crashed stats, Greta? You mad? Gonna fill out a butthurt report?

Stats should perk up after the Childs and Tobin series are complete....no wait, they won't.

It's just more gruesome PR for your despicable cult, week after week after week. Dark doom prevails for your vile, evil cult, Greta!  Expect it!

Old OT7
Old OT7

First off, MarkStark is fine poster here.  I would suggest you piss off and go write up your knowledge report.  You belong to an evil, vicious & militant cult that destroys families wit impunity.

Seriously, Greta, go away... 

NCSP
NCSP

I admire your spiritual wisdom.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

No! You piss-off Greta! Everything Mark has stated is true. YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

MarkStark
MarkStark

Why Greta! I didn't insult you once, unless...could you also be Portia Medici, Cecero and all the other Scilon posters? Tell me it isn't true. Tell me you are just a person with "a limited degree of direct Sciloontology" but you have many friends who have had so much success getting off crack with it.

Portia Medici
Portia Medici

MarkStark, just for your consideration, FYI, I am not OSA, nor a sock puppet. I am someone who has had a limited degree of direct Scientology experience, while having 3 close friends who are long term Scientologists who speak positively about their direct experience and it's influence on their lives, and I am concerned for, and fight against, any form of racism, dogma, bullying, bigotry and xenophobia I come across. That, is why I am spending my time responding to your negative posts.

Old OT7
Old OT7

I'm not a scientologist, but...

I was in for 7 years.  Every single person, save one, that I knew in the cult have left.  Two were OT8s, 4 were OT7s (like myself).  Four were Sea Org, one for 15 years and the experiences they told me were horrific so say the least.  The abortions were non-stop and the treatment of staff degrading.

Just so we get some balance here.  If your friends like being in scientology, good on them.  But the staggering numbers of defectors tell a far different story.

tigerbalm
tigerbalm

 sound all warm and fuzzy and yet you ignore and overlook The Nation of Islam's relationship with Scientology. In the case of Louis Farrakhan David Miscavige has embraced the racism.

double standard much.

sketto
sketto

You're against bigotry? Ok. Good.

Do you also have concern to see if there actually are abuses going on at the RPF? Did you look into that? 

Your defense of bigotry sounds nice, but have you actually looked into the other things that Scientology's critics are saying? These things include some charges much worse than bigotry.

MarkStark
MarkStark

 LOL, so now "I'm not a Scientologist, but" has changed to "I am someone who has had a limited degree of direct Scientology..."

What? Did Hubbard audit you remotely from the implant station on Mars or something?

You are too much! Was Tory Magoo (former member) not a Scilon when she worked for the OSA and was asked to open up multiple sock accounts and lie for the cult?

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