Why the San Fernando Valley Hate Needs to End Once and For All

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Why all the hate for the 818?

Midafternoon at the Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf on Santa Monica's Main Street, an impromptu conversation sparks between two strangers just feet from me -- he a cheerful, swarthy, well-fed, balding accountant originally from New York City, she a pretty, willowy, 20-something brunette, just arrived from the Boston area and looking for housing.

She mentions parts inland and his face flickers with mild concern. "There are some areas that are OK, I guess," he says. "But I live right around here. And this is par-a-dise."

He savors the word like it's a white truffle.

She assents with a smile, then asks about the area around Sherman Oaks: "What's that like?"

His head tremors from side to side. "Oh my Gaaaawwwdddd. No! I never even go north of Mulholland. Never!"

His answer seems more appropriate to a nuclear waste dump 20 miles outside of Barstow than a desirable suburban neighborhood with parks, tree-lined streets and stretches of boulevard rife with such acceptable-modern-living signifiers as Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, Guitar Center and ArcLight Cinemas.

Yet all around L.A., this anti-818 sentiment is repeated with some regularity. Angelenos insist the San Fernando Valley is our New Jersey: uncool, ultra-suburban, out of the way. I wish they'd just shut up already.

I felt this way even before I moved to the Valley. A native Bostonian, I've lived in Silver Lake, greater Hollywood and on the coast in Santa Monica. I always found the Valley a perfectly pleasant place to visit, work or party in.

And since I moved in with my girlfriend less than a year ago, into the storied, mountain-ringed grid, such talk really raises my ire. Wherever I've lived in L.A., I've enjoyed my neighborhood even while craving time on the other side of town. And the same goes for my current Studio City/NoHo abode. We're next to a really nice park, we've got a laid-back, cutesy strip of independent stores and cafés on nearby Tujunga, we're eight minutes to Hollywood & Vine, and the rent on our two-bed, two-bath pad is less than that for many studios on the other side of the hill.

It's neither utopia nor hell on Earth -- like most of L.A.

"Oh my God, I think people think that the Valley is totally out of style," Kelly Bulen, 36, tells me. A hairdresser at Floyd's on Moorpark, she has a Sunset Strip rocker girl's body and arms tatted out with colorful ink. She lives in Studio City -- and she heard it all when she worked in Beverly Hills: "They think we're out of date, a little bit backward, maybe not as classy, not as trendy and trying to wannabe Hollywood."

She insists that's bogus. Her neighborhood has great schools and livable streets -- and even celebrity sightings. "So I'm shopping at Ralph's one day, on Coldwater," she dishes, "and Slash is there. And Dave Grohl is at the park down the street. I do Steve Carell's hair."

"The reality is, it's so easy to reside in the Valley," says my longtime friend Bob Cella. A 13-year North Hollywood homeowner recently retired from bartending after 17 years at storied Birds on Franklin, Cella now builds high-end guitars. "As a place to sleep at night, as a place to 'keep your stuff,' as George Carlin says. Parking is super easy. It serves its purpose perfectly." Cella searches for the perfect summation: "It's residentially idyllic."

While bartending at Birds, the watering hole anchoring the very hip, lower Hollywood Hills Franklin strip, Cella sometimes felt he concealed a secret identity: "People knew me in that area, and I bet in the minds of those people I was from the L.A. Basin side. But my dirty secret was that I went and slept over in the Valley.

"Remember," he adds, "when you go out at night in L.A. or Hollywood, even to the 'coolest' places, probably a good percentage of the people around you live in the 818."

In fact, Cella discovered that one of his Birds regulars lived just up the street from him in NoHo -- the bar was a 15-minute drive for both of them.

Cella's artist neighbor Sarah Hage, 46, lives with her software developer-turned-screenwriter husband in a spacious one-story home. With its tiled, in-ground pool and Southwest-aesthetic landscaping, the place feels like a boutique Palm Springs resort in the city.

"It's so culturally diverse here," she tells me. "We've got Latinos; we've got an Ethiopian mechanic nearby who's keeping my Toyota pickup alive. And there's more mom-and-pop stores here.

"I have a friend, she said: 'Oh you're living in the Valley?! The air quality is gonna be a problem.' Then she came out to visit and was, like: 'Oh, this is great!' "

But not everyone can be convinced, as I learn while talking to my friend, actor-comedian Ron Barba, a part-time New Yorker who prefers to sublet apartments in or near the dense core of Hollywood proper. The subject comes up incidentally, naturally.

"Dude, I hate the Valley. It reminds me of going to Brooklyn and Queens," he tells me. "I have to get my shots from the doctor before going over there.

"We're all desperate all over the city," he adds, "but when I'm over there, I go through the agony of them extolling what it's like to be in the strip-mall, Palookaville, second-tier part of the city." His faces scrunches comically, his mind searching for the perfect topper. "They produce porn over there," he sneers. "'Nuff said."

Last I checked, however, millions of Americans -- including tons of Angelenos -- love porn. Now if only they could learn to appreciate the place where it's made.

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MeDog
MeDog

When my wife and I left Hollywood to buy a house in the valley, many of our friends gave us such grief about moving there "I can't believe you are moving to the valley".  A few years later, those same people started saying "Gosh, I wish I could afford a house in the valley".


Rorer714
Rorer714

The woods in the SFV can have the stinkin' valley...Why would anyone want to live there??? It used to be a nice place to live/grow up--in the '70's and '80's--Not anymore...

the818
the818

Oh please. The Valley is awesome.

Psychobilly Whistlebait
Psychobilly Whistlebait

Um okay notice youre really white suburbs area.. Try mentioning or talking about van nuy, pacoima, san fernando, arleta etc. and for those people who say we have no style or something that's bullshit.

Gonefish12
Gonefish12

So the next time the San Fernando Valley wants to separate from Los Angeles LET IT BE!  Vote FOR the Valley to split from L.A.  Jeeze!  We'll all be happier!  Yo L.A., stop voting against the Valley's freedom from L.A.  We like our urbanite utopia!  We want urbanism and you keep the rest, and we can visit each other and, and, and... No hurt feelings, as we love L.A. too!

Vrm235
Vrm235

Funny how the Hollywood types have their noses up to the Valley, yet when a vote came up to seperate the SFV from LA, the Valley voted for it and the LA side voted against it because they need the tax revenue. So the Valley isn't good enough for them but they can't avoid bankruptcy w/out Valley tax revenues. Your welcome!

Nealie3
Nealie3

In today's Weekly, a few comments were printed re: this story and the last one was a lengthy anti-Valley note by a "Pascal", that does not appear online. Opinions, perceptions and feelings can't really be argued, but facts can. Facts are facts. Pascal says it's 20-30 degrees hotter in the Valley than the "LA" side. An informal survey of official temperatures over the course of many days shows that the average East Valley temp (the Valley has it's own few-degree variants within)  is usually 8-10 degrees hotter than greater Hollywood when it's hot out at all. When it's colder season the temperature differentials flatten out. Greater Hollywood is on average around 8-10 degrees hotter than Santa Monica/Venice. So it's 0/10/20 on a hot day, betweeen Coast/Inland LA/Valley. Pascal is inaccurate and also makes no distinction between the entire LA side, when Coastal people know very well that it gets hotter ever couple miles inland that you drive. Silverlake is particularly hot, for some reason, almost as warm as the East Valley on some hot days. There is far less humidity in the Valley, and because of Mountain effect, officially often higher winds (according to Weather.com) there than the non-Valley side. Lower humidity does feel more comfortable. 

Saucy
Saucy

Why the Jersey hate?! I'm actually glad NJ has a bad rap because that keeps ppl out of the state. As for the "out-of-the-way" description though... last time I checked, NJ was closer to more major metropolises than L.A. or the entire state of C.A. for that matter.

Humboldt Relief
Humboldt Relief

I've lived in the Valley my whole life. Newsflash: the SFV hasn't been suburban since the early 80s. And I could care less what a bunch of Hollywood hipsters and uptown snobs think of my neighborhood. FYI- the 818 isn't just famous for porn anymore; we have the best medical marijuana for the lowest prices. So these tools can keep their $75 1/8ths and precious coastal breeze. 

Rorer714
Rorer714

@Humboldt Relief That's the one thing the valley has always had--the best weed!

GIL
GIL

The Valley is gorgeous. Ive lived in the 818 my whole life and i have to say its the most awesome place to live. I find it funny that most people around the world say movies are made in Hollywood. WRONG. On a weekly basis i see movie crews, cameras and lights filming stuff. Not to mention most popular shows are shot here in the valley.

Celebrities, musicians and famous actors live here. I think its more bitterness from the nobodies that pass all that bullshit around..

Nicey141
Nicey141

I'm not a native of LA, & have been here for 5 Weeks. After research of various areas, I chose the LAX area as the place for me. The valley is cool, but just too dam hot, I could've stayed home for all that heat. I love my location because of its central location. Easy access to Torrance, LB, OC, LA, & yes the valley. I assure u it's not just 'transplants speaking ill if the valley. Nonetheless ppl r gonna say what they will, so I can't get upset over every little thing ppl say. I will find myself always angry & I refuse to live my life that way.

Merrihelen McIntosh
Merrihelen McIntosh

I grew up in the hills of Topanga (before it was affluent) and my first contact with valley people (flat-landers) was the ones who would load their young kids in the car and drive into the canyon every time there was a brush fire, to watch peoples homes burn...from the time I was 3 or 4 years old, I had this deep seething hatred for people who gloat over watching other peoples lives being destroyed.  I now live in the valley, but my feelings about people who get excited watching fires, floods or bad traffic accidents remains the same..I think the people who love to watch that are probably wishing they could have started it, because they love hurting others so much.

maus
maus

I spent the ages of 2 to 20 living in van nuys and in north hills. I moved downtown in february of 2011. I wish I had left sooner...

I hated living in the valley and I still hate visiting the valley, I go up about once or twice a month, which is once or twice too many times. It really is a horrible, boring, beige stucco infested sweatbox where everything closes at 9PM (except for del taco drive throughs), and the general mindset that everything south of the hill is still the same as it was in 1992. I will never give up my hatred of the valley and its lack of anything of any interest whatsoever.

Michelle Arseneault
Michelle Arseneault

A native Bostonian telling us what another native Bostonian and two native New Yorkers think of the Valley?  Well, this was pure comedy.  Is this really still an issue?  Those of us born and raised around here got over this decades ago, but I guess it's fascinating to the transplants.

valley girl till i die
valley girl till i die

I'd rather die a million horrible deaths than live in the city. All those desperate "LA" wannabes that just moved in from Alabama are repulsive to me...vomit.

Ken
Ken

I've lived in both the valley and the westside, and can't for the life of me figure out what all the fuss is about. Both places have their pros and cons, and are mostly full of good people living their lives. Anyone presuming to pass judgment on either place is practicing some pretty shallow thinking. And this goes on everywhere, not just L.A. When I lived in the Bay Area, it was all about San Francisco versus the East Bay. Same kind of crap. Small minds making petty judgments.

Dave Lieberman
Dave Lieberman

And now you know how those of us who make our homes south of the Orange Curtain feel. Judged harshly by people who've never even gotten off the freeway and looked around.

I lived in Santa Monica, Studio City, Valley Glen ("we're not Van Nuys, we're not we're not we're NOT!") and Anaheim. All have things on both the credit and debit side of the equation.

Judging someone by their area code is just daft.

Dom
Dom

What's wrong with Van Nuys?

Dave Lieberman
Dave Lieberman

Absolutely nothing. This race to establish a "civic identity" separate from Van Nuys (or NoHo) makes me laugh.

Erinnshell
Erinnshell

This was a fun read. Let's be honest, it's pretty passe to hate the Valley. Let's all move on.

Info
Info

santa monica/west la= tight buttholesfv= party fucking central.

Dom
Dom

The Valley is so tight butthole dude.

Sltaylore
Sltaylore

Those who diss the valley have never been to Toluca Lake (way better than Larchmont) or the trails in Sun Valley or Balboa park. Those of us who grew up here knows how good we have it and I think we should all keep this little secret of 5 million people to ourselves. I am Valley and proud. Plus I can park right in front of my own house without a permit and my friends can come over and not worry about getting towed. If it was such a poor relation Bob Hope would have never lived here nor would Gary Marshall and all the other people who have the meane to go where ever they wish. Keep up the hate and stay in you overpriced, parking limited mass apartments and leave me to my garden.

Terje28
Terje28

There are many valleys but there is only one "The Valley"

Omar Alcantar
Omar Alcantar

The Majority of people that hate on the valley have never even stepped foot in da valley once, they just hear things from other people then they just jump on the bandwagon talking crap about the 818.People talk about the 818 that were out of date crap like that fuck that 818 is not trying 2 be hollywood or downtown la the ones that r trying 2 be that is santa monica n da rest of west la.

Makeupbyjennb
Makeupbyjennb

I live in The Valley and work in Culver City...people are the same on both sides. It's not where you live, it's who you are and who you associate with. If you think all Valley residents are the same, then you obviously are small minded and your opinion of my home has no validity to me. Get over yourself and stop thinking that because you live over the mountain, you have this amazing, hip, otherworldy lifestyle...and you may be fooled by one of us 818'ers...we walk upright and eat with utensils....

Bojorco
Bojorco

This kind of foolishness is carried on far more by LA transplants seeking legitimacy as angelenos by taking sides in the long-standing US vs them of Westside vs valley.  Most of these people wouldn't have the first idea about how to get to Granada Hills, Sherman Oaks, Van Nuys or anywhere north of the Getty Center, and they try to fit into the L.A. woodwork by buying into a local social division.  Pretentious and lame.

Ussboltman
Ussboltman

I grew up with your friend Bob Cella!  In fact, we saw "Star Wars" at the Winnetka Drive-In with his Mom's station wagon...with Quadraphonic sound!!

B.C.
B.C.

Yes! It was a 1973 Caprice Estate wagon with a big block 454! We were high on opiated Thai stick. How funny, I just recounted that event to someone within the last week. I watched the whole movie, drove home, and the next day had no idea what the story was about. I remeber it was colorful. Wow, which one of the other 3 people are you?

Iendive
Iendive

I used to think I'd like to live on the westside/santa monica areas, but every time I go there I'm practically suffocating in the smug... besides cursing at the stars for not finding parking, and if I do I end up getting a ticket for something weird (fixers usually) Living is just easier and nicer in the valley. And I grew up in Italy so I know something or two about the "dolce vita"

Iendive
Iendive

oh but on a side note I'm perfectly fine with people with those attitudes not wanting to even visit here, we don't need the negative vibes here, thank you :)

Michelle Hass
Michelle Hass

Locals only! Stuck up Westsiders GO HOME!!! 

Lucile
Lucile

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Wedge Antilles
Wedge Antilles

I love this! Nothing pisses me off more than ignorant valley bashing. Back in the 50's through maybe the 80's the valley was a totally different place culturally and demographically. It was full of white conservative mid westerners who immigrated after the war for the aerospace jobs and the sweet life. But they all fled for Oregon, Washington, Arizona etc. after Latinos/Earthquakes/Riots and the liberalization of Southern California in general. My valley is a rich culturally diverse place with a very easy pace of life. No, it's not all pretty but it has no more or fewer hideous strip malls than any other LA community. Valley bashing is the domain of the uptight or small minded, but mainly ignorant displaced east coaster. 

Gene Bivins
Gene Bivins

Hi Wedge. I'm a Valley native. Grew up in Pacoima in the 50s-70s. It was not full of "white conservative mid westerners." My neighbors just in our block included Latinos, white Americans and the families of recent immigrants from Wales, England, the basque area of Spain, and my next-door neighbor was a retired Polish man who'd been a Hollywood horse-wrangler. The Valley may be more ethnically diverse now than it was then--which is part of what makes some people uncomfortable there--but it was never as monocultural as some of its former residents seem to remember.

Westside
Westside

The valley is full of hairy persians, mexicans and others....

It's hot, there is nothing to do within walking distance...

It's filled with people who can't afford to live in the city, are happy where they are at in life and have no drive. 

Wonder why there are so much bashing about the valley? Cause it's where losers go in the LA region...

Bbb
Bbb

Come on man, you aren't doing a very good job of representing our town...

Dobilover
Dobilover

Westside, please keep your ignorant racist ass on the south side of the hill, although I'm sure the Latinos, Persians and "others" would be happy to kick your ignorant ass wherever you live. And fwow, you couldn't probably couldn't afford to live in Calabasas, Encino, Sherman Oaks, Studio City, Hidden Hills, etc.

Westside
Westside

Typical example of valley talk. 

Haha...

Please do. 

Quizick
Quizick

Hmmmm. Westside: "Full of Mexicans"? As opposed to greater Hollywood, Echo Park, Mid-City, South Central, Downtown-adjacent, West LA, etc, which are also...FULL OF MEXICANS?! And this is Los Angeles. I suppose you hate Mexicans, don't like interacting with anyone of Mexican descent and don't patronize businesses where Mexicans work?

"Nothing to do within walking distance"? Thousands of people in parts of NoHo, Studio City, Sherman Oaks, Encino, etc walk to good stuff and know that not to be true.

"Can't afford to live in the city"? Well, first of all, the entire LA Basin from Hollywood Hills to the 105, from Venice to East LA is "the city"? Ever flown into LA and seen that vast suburban grid? Not exactly a "city" most of it, compared to East Coast cities or SF, is it? So the distinction of The Valley not being "the city" is a bit ridiculous.

Also, the people who own the $1-2+M homes covering the Studio City, Sherman Oaks, Encino, Tarzana, etc hills and the nice areas even south of the 101 could live on the other side of the hill, but they chose and like the Valley where they live.

If you call the solid professional and industry families and working writers, actors and other creative professionals that live in the Valley "losers" then you have a weird definition of the word. And are you not aware of the many individuals in greater Hollywood, Westside etc who are not exactly paragons of success or financial fortune? 

But your stridency and meanness are undoubtedly entertaining in this forum.

Westside
Westside

People choose the valley because they "chose" to work at shitty jobs not paying enough to afford a house in the Westside. 

Haha...how do you explain the price difference between the Westside and the valley if not?

And yes...persians, iranians who cheat the system (i.e. cheat the welfare/food stamps program, etc..), yes I truly despise them. Same goes with Armenians. 

Kate
Kate

Born & raised in Sunland/Tujunga... I've heard it often referred to as "the boonies." It's very much a Wild West of Los Angeles mentality here. But, right out my backyard is a trail into gorgeous mountains. Our grocery store, Sunland Produce, is mostly Mediterranean / Middle Eastern / Mexican food. & it's all incredibly well-priced. There's no where to "go" at night, but we're 5 mins from the 5 freeway. It's quiet, there are animals & plant life everywhere... I love it. It's like getting to live in Los Angeles without having to deal with the worst parts. Proud of my 818 area code!

Guest
Guest

i've lived in both...prefer the westside...and never have i met someone that when given the opportunity to move further west does not accept...besides, practically everyone i know judges and decides where they live in relation to where they work... 

Guest
Guest

uh... the valley is north and northwest of the "westside", not to the east

Iendive
Iendive

Hi! me, I'm someone who had the opportunity to live on the westside and declined... I know many others, nice to meet you. Nothing personal I just don't like living under military-like rule.

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