David Edward Albert Charged In 'Passive Arts' Bondage Club Murder

• You are the one that is full of hatred. Even if what you wrote was true (but it is not), it is extremely insensitive to make comments like this. A person lost their live in this fire. They had a family, loved ones too. Obviously, you are full of hatred for anyone that does not conform to your specific view of the world. Sadly, we still have people like yourself in this world.

• I visited PAS a couple of times as a spectator mostly out of curiosity for the lifestyle and peeps in it. It was an interesting place, the women were all beautiful in their individual fashion and I was most intrigued by many a show! Most of the comments on here are sweet and sensitive towards john and koda and exhibit a sense of family. Im sure homey wasnt a walk in the park but damn shot and then burned??? Thats straight up foul! There are also really ignorant comment on here like that of xanx-(Retardo Montalban) for sure! He/she just posted that for shock- devils advocate... no one is that retarded but maybe he/she is??? then there are those that want to bring politics and or religion!!! wtf does any of that have anything to do with people living their lives without harming anyone. Murder is murder! tax payers pay for law makers to take care of shit! So let it be! may He and his dog rest in peace and may the PAS family find another home as you all deserve to!

• Everybody is entitled to a fair trial. It is up to a court to decide what actually happened. There is a huge difference between felony murder (arson) death penalty to accidental death or mutual combat. Either way Its realy sad about the dog

• I worked at PAS alongside Miss Papillion and Domina Raven Blaque during the same Period of time. I ended up quitting due to John's moody, cantankerous Ways. albert was a dear friend at that time and I'm truly, TRULY SHOCKED that it all "went down" like that. I'm no longer Pro, merely "DL Lifestyle"...but oh, the Memories: I earned My Stripes there. RIP, Sir John....difficult Man but undeserving of this. albert, your soul is Mine...I've cursed you with every Breath I take today, every fibre of My Being: you'll burn, baby....burn.

• Extremely Unfortunate Incident!!!. I had a ball Playing with Dominant Ladies over there. So Much Fun.The Gentleman who passed away was really a nice Person.The Dog was really cute as well.I dont like dogs so much,but i made an exception in this Case.I was able to play with Some Really Famous Mistresses a this Place. And the in house ladies were Super Awesome. Was able ot realise all my BDSM Dreams. Well,Like they say,'The Show Must Go On'. Hope thing come back to normal.The Accused must be found guilty and Punished. Hope I get to visit PAS again.Amen to that

• I worked for PAS and John a few times. The economy hit the business hard, as it has hit everyone hard. Its a tregidy that this happened and if Dave is the man guilty so be it, the reality is NO ONE who worked at PAS was expected or asked by a staff member to do anything they didn't want to EVER. I feel that there is a lot of misconception about the adult business and it needs to be stated that the ladies of PAS were in fact, independent contractors and we all received 1099s meaning we did as we pleased, not forced! God knows what really happened, John and Koda may you RIP.

• Weird... I just found your web site by looking for 'financial spreadbetting' on Google. But I haven't found any articles on that topic on here?

• karma whatever, maybe it's karma maybe it's stupidity..John SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD THIS GUY WORKING THERE PERIOD! he was a bum looking guy, looked unkempt and unprofessional, was always begging the women for some attention..PLEASE..no matter how hard John might have been..he was the one paying taxes, providing jobs and entertainment and party space and HOMES for women in transition who didn't have a place and did not take advantage of them mind you! so, he got karma for refusing to pay for some service?, first; you're vague, i bet he mostly DID pay so why mention ONE TWO cases YOU know of...that's a drop in an olympic size pool! "i know about being nice to "losers" oh poor loser, ugly, not too bright..so hire him!" well..MISTAKE! that's the mistake, you call "karma" i guess you're waiting for yours by your beliefs..! BRRR we salute you John and Koda RIP sorry for what this ultimate LOSER did to you! i hope he rots in life then in death! 4 ever!

• Nobody deserves this, and for his children I am truly sorry. We do not know what takes a mild person and turns them to murder, we know that as warm as hard as John was, truthfully he did not always treat the people who provided service to him with respect, even so far as not pay for those services. John should have let the scene stay in the scene and not allow those lines to be crossed. Karma will catch up with David, I imagine it has caught up with John in it's own way.

• to XANx or whatever moniker was that, 1st you're an idiot, plain and simple, EVIL is anywhere/everywhere; this coward couldn't cope with the fact his luck ran out, but TO THE PEOPLE WHO WRITE TO THIS IDIOT, he never mentioned religion! man, he just said evil brothel etc never once i saw religion on his disgusting post, you're too quick to jump at religion, your Hollywood films/Bill Maher school or liberalism shows too much: i've heard/seen people work at PAS who believed in god, were/are religious, who cares? the biggest murders were done by men without religion/god: communists (up to 300 MILLION) and Nazis, and Imperial Japan, so, get it together, people can be cowards and amoral, REGARDLESS of religion, Dave had a free ride, it came to an end and sadly John couldn't keep him out of there.. was he already inside? did he knocked and John foolishly let him in? TO that one who says firing someone in the Great Depression is a risk, David barely had any bills! he rented rooms in his house and had no bills! he actually mentioned that to me without me asking one day..(how i despise that ugly bastard!) first, it's a recession, the great depression was over 30% unemployement, please, we're at 10%; i hate BHO too, but don't tell people they can't get rid of useless individuals riding your coat-tails! if anything, John should have kept David OUT long ago, supposedly he fired him before, also, wealthy people or property owners have to be more VIGILANT, have bodyguards, armed security etc..ONE THING I DIDN'T LIKE ABOUT PAS was the lack of security, women smoking with the back door open..SMART UP PEOPLE and i will forever be broken hearted about John and Koda; And Ingrid: what stupid bimbo you are; grow up, get informed study modern history AND the story of both parties in the US; you think Reps only use these clubs? man you're just ridiculous, a typical lib Dem, so ignorant! People are people! Dem, Rep, the human mind has it all, even 80's songs were deeper than you! check the biggest cheaters in the history of the US: the whole Kennedy male clan, Democrats, their father made his money corruptly; the marriage was a sham to run for the presidency HE wanted but was too old to try for! JFK wasn't even that smart! he said it himself and was a druggie due to back pain, JFK had 1000's of women in and out of the white house, he and his brother passed Marilyn Monroe around; even killed her when she threaten to disclose secrets! one even raped a girl (young Kennedy nephew) Teddy Kennedy let a girl drowned in a car, she might've been pregnant, he got out, didn't help her or call for help, ran to his hotel made 15 calls before he called the cops, the cops even covered it up, he didn't even go to jail! the other cheated 12 times that we know of, (Clinton) the other made a baby with his lover as his wife dies of cancer (John Edwards) please Ingrid to even mention that as we grieve the horrific unfair death of a nice man who provided jobs & a home for 100's.. u r SHALLOW and pathetic dumb prejudist!

• to XANx or whatever moniker was that, 1st you're an idiot, plain and simple, EVIL is anywhere/everywhere; this coward couldn't cope with the fact his luck ran out, TO THE PEOPLE WHO WRITE TO THIS IDIOT, he never mentioned religion! man, he just said evil borthel etc never once i saw religion on his disgusting post, you're too quick to jump at religious, your Hollywood films/Bill Maher school or liberalism shows too much: i've heard/seen people work at PAS who believed in god, were/are religious, who cares? the biggest murders were done by men without religion/god: communists (up to 300 MILLION) and Nazis, and Imperial Japan, so, get it together, people can be cowards and amoral, REGARDLESS of religion, Dave had a free ride, it came to an end and sadly John couldn't keep him out of there.. was he already inside? did he knocked and John foolishly let him in? TO that who says firing someone in the Great Depression, first, it a recession, the great depression was over 30% unemployement, please, i hate BHO too, but don't tell people they can't get rid of useless individual riding your coat-tails! if anything, John should have kept David OUT long ago, supposedly he fired him before, also, wealthy people or property owners have to be more VIGILANT, have bodyguards, armed security etc..ONE THING I DIDN'T LIKE ABOUT PAS was the lack of security, women smoking with the back door open..SMART UP PEOPLE and i will forever be broken hearted about John and Koda; and Ingrid: what stupid bimbo you are; grow up, get informed study modern history AND the story of both parties in the US; you think Reps only use these clubs? man you're just ridiculous, a typical lib Dem, so ignorant! People are people! Dem, Rep, the human mind has it all, even 80's songs were deeper than you! check the biggest cheaters in the history of the US: the whole Kennedy male clan, JFK had 1000's women in and out of the white house, he and his brother passed Marilyn Monroe around; one even raped a girl (young Kennedy nephew) Teddy Kennedy let a girl drowned in a car, she might've been pregnant, he got out, didn't call for help, made 15 calls before he called the cops, the cops even covered it up, he didn't even go to jail! the other cheated 12 times that we know of, (Clinton) the other made a bay as his wife dies of cancer (John Edwards) please Ingrid to even mention that as we grieve the horrific unfair death of a nice man who provided jobs & a home for 100's.. u r SHALLOW and pathetic dumb prejudist!

• Rest in peace John and Koda. We have lost our home and our family is broken, but we want to continue your legacy and your work. If you want to get in touch with us please contact us at passiveartsladies@gmail.com or calls at (909) 643-5454.

• Mistress Lady Lea, I think you can kill another human being when you start seeing the bills arrive at your mailbox and you have no way of paying them. Since Dave lost his job in the "Great Recession" (which we aren't coming out of for the next two decades), maybe "John" sealed his own fate. Sounds harsh (I know) but read further... Would Dave had killed John if John never fired him? Owners and managers are at risk "more than ever" when they fire one of their employees in this "Great Recession" (even if the "firing" is well deserved). You need to think long and hard before letting a person go (AKA: firing them). You "never" know who your dealing with.

• Mistress Lady Lea, I think you can kill another human being when you start seeing the bills arrive at your mailbox and you have no way of paying them. Since Dave lost his job in the "Great Recession" (which we aren't coming out of for the next two decades), maybe "John" sealed his own fate. Sounds harsh (I know) but read further... Would Dave had killed John if John never fired him? Owners and managers are at risk "more than ever" when they fire one of their employees in this "Great Recession" (even if the "firing" is well deserved). You need to think long and hard before letting a person go (AKA: firing them). You "never" know who your dealing with.

• John was the most gentle man that I had ever met in the lifestyle, I visited passivearts many times, and was amazed at the "Family" feeling that I was left with! It is apparent that the news only looked upon this as a "Sex club" with a murder twist, but then most people only look to the negative. I greatly regret the passing of John, and his faithful companion Koda! Passivearts will leave a LARGE hole in our community. LG

• I considered myself a friend of Mr. John Lavine, many years ago. I feel terrible I had not spoken to him recently. I will always have fond memories of his club, his parties, his cooking, and the many laughs we had. I was so sorry to hear of this tragic news. Rest in peace John, maybe in the next life more people will understand you. And Koda (tho I never met you) go with your Master and protect him in the afterlife as you did in this life. "Shema yisrael, Ado-nai E-loheinu, Ado-nai echad ---" Much Respect, Mistress Snow

• This was such a senseless crime and such a blow to our community. I didn't know John and sadly, I never made it to Passive Arts. I do however, know a lot of people who called it their homes. Best wishes and good thoughts to Johns family. May he rest in peace.

• This is truly sad. I wish my best to this man's family. Neither he nor his dog should have met this fate. As for Dave, don't rush to judgment. None of us were there, and we don't have all the facts. Police and our court system make mistakes all the time (by some estimates, more than 10,000 people are wrongfully charged with crimes each year). If Dave did this, he should face the music, but again, none of us know for sure what happened.

• Many of my clients were vice cops and republicans, perhaps looking for redemption. We were always above the board, and enjoyed the parties we had. Our BDSM family demands JUSTICE, and to make sure no one else pays such a high price, just for being in our family! I pray that perhaps those who read this will understand, we are a family - and we care for our own, and this will only draw us closer together, that no terrorist will destroy us. We are about love and caring, though some of you may find that hard to comprehend. dave, you should do us all and yourself a favor: BE A MAN, plead guilty, and serve life without parole. That's the least you can do now for John's children, and our BDSM family. No one made you do what you did, it was your own decision. Now you must pay for your crimes. May no one else suffer like this in our community. Keep your head up, people - we do care for our own, and we are here for each other. We don't abandon anyone, not even the women, who are left without a job temporarily. Just reach out to us.

• Senseless and totally unpredictable. I am shocked and highly disappointed in Dave for committing such a ridiculous act. Karma misses no one Dave and it should be showing up on your doorstep soon. May John and Koda's soul fine peace and may justice find Dave... So mote it be... Xanx - Thank you for being a shining example of why religion fails us all. Make no mistake your perspective being in the minority on this thread is a representation of the evolving world you around you off and online. Soon enough you will not be able to find comfort in the company of those bigoted like you, because there will be no more like you, the world is changing fast, you better wake up and get right.

• I worked at PAS many years ago. John could be difficult but no one deserves this. I remember Dave, and am completely shocked that he could do something so evil. My heart truely goes out to his family, his friends, and Coda. The BDSM community will miss him and will miss Passive Arts Studios.

• To Xanx who posted on July 31st, How could you preach such hatred for something that needn't concern you? Since you think you know what a 'brothel' is....it's apparent you never entered Passive Arts. It was run by adults....for adults. In terms of evil: Your posting completely condones the cold-blooded killing of a human and a dog. Your way of thinking also breeds hatred and evil. Glass houses.... John was and will always be remembered as one of the kindest men I've known. He cared more about his employees than any person/corporation I have ever worked for. He was kind, warm, funny and he had the capacity to always make you feel special. I know in my heart that his dog, Koda, took a bullet for John. Would you, Xanx, wish that pain on your own animal or family member whose life you don't agree with? Whatever religion you have going for you clearly isn't working. The fact that you take pleasure in another human being's death shows such a lack of moral compass that if I had any prayers left...I would pray for you. But frankly, you don't deserve any. Hypocrite.

• How often were Republican contibutors in the club I wonder and did they have a good time?

• IMHO, one of the worst things in the world that some people can do to others is to condemn them for the way they live their life if it has no impact on the lives of those who are complaining and condemning. Small-minded people make the world a harder place in which to live. This was a very tragic event, and whatever this man did in running his business, it was not illegal. I've never been to this type of club, but it doesn't bother me one bit that others did. They weren't breaking any laws. I've found in my 50 + years on this earth that the main people doing the complaining and condemning are the ones we all need to keep our eyes on. Some people simply need to mind their own business.

• John was always the gentlemen and the gracious host. Two lives were taken in a senseless and cruel manner. What reasoning could possibly justify such behavior ? or xanx's comments ? How sick do you (xanx)have to be to use the word evil when talking about the victims of murder, but not mention the murderer ? Kinda had enuff of pompous ass religious zealots trying to create some degree of self value by attempting to devalue others down to their level. What you gonna do next xanx ? Strap on a suicide vest ? or talk someone else into doing it ? Maybe you could volunteer to get some treatment before your desperation puts you in a cell with the loser that thought destroying John & Koda's God given lives was a good idea. An entire community feels their loss. They had very great value and will be truely missed. RIP John & Koda. My thoughts go out to John's family. A very sad day indeed.

• i'm glad that filthy brothel had burned down. Evil breeds evil. That shady scene and pple in it always gave me creeps. Full of misogyny/hatred of women/objectification, etc. I saw them corrupt kids fresh out of high school, they take pride in doing so... I'm glad this place is gone.

• As frequent visitors to John's club, we got to know him on a first name basis. He always made us feel welcome as if we were a guest in his home. You could not find a sweeter more caring man anywhere!! Are hearts are heavy for the loss of both John and Koda

• I didn't know John but my heart is so heavy for yet another senseless tragedy. Most folks will not understand John's vision or his commitment to his ideals but I believe he quietly served the community more than most folks would ever realize. He will be missed by all of those who loved him. My heart goes out to his family. I only wish I could attend his memorial service.

• i so agree with these comments I COULD HE what a disgraceful pile of human trash! what a coward! he was mad, envious, jealous if HE could not have PAS nobody else could! and to let Koda died as well? this coward could not even have it with his fists? a manly fight! not a coward act! no way he deserved this no matter W H A T! i hope he burns in hell on earth every minute, and to that who said this was not in VAIN, excuse me absolutely this was in vain, in lew of EVIL and the lowest passion of a loser and a loner, the ultimate treason! David i spit on your face i hope you get all you deserve and it ain't good or painless! RIP John/Koda

• Such a sad story - John and Koda - a true bond - I have a feeling Koda stayed and would have rather died than leave his side - We knew both John and David as we hosted events at Passive a few years back - No one ever thinks events like this will hit close to home - We send our thoughts and prayers out to John's family - Frank and Yvonne - VIPHosts

• you never expect to get a phone call about something like this, and when it happens you don't really know what to do or think. john was a wonderful gracious open minded person, and provided many people with a comfortable safe space to try out new ideas and express themselves in many ways, i still can not believe this is real, and im so very sorry for john and koda. i do hope that they are well where ever they may be, and i'm still just so saddened by all of this. <3 and support to all of his family and loved ones

• I am not only in shock over the death of my friend but Im angry as hell at how he died, it makes no sense. I dont understand being able to kill another human being, I dont care whats going on. Its a tragedy. John will be missed by all of us. Karma will take care of the bastard who killed him.

• We trusted both of them! It's incomprehensible that Dave would kill John - just in shock. Lighting the place on fire to cover his tracks, then watching covered in John's blood, as Koda refused to leave John's side? Dave, what the hell happened to you!? Many of us who worked there, and knew John and Dave both feel deeply one thing: BETRAYAL. I just hope John's family knows that our community, our "family" cared.

• The man that got killed was a close friend to me, he didn't deserve what happened to him. His business was a safe place for ADULTS, and by giving a safe haven for people to explore he kept at least a few sex crimes from ever happening.I just wish I could have my moment with good ole dave, piece of shit! And poor Koda, he was more then just a dog.

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