California DREAM Act Proposed (Again) By L.A. State Assemblyman Gil Cedillo: Taxypayer-Funded Student Aid For ... Illegals?

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Davidcnumber1

If millions of dollars are invested in the correctional system, why not invest money in the lives of those who actually seek self-improvement! Regardless of whether one does not like the fact that "illegal" people should receive financial assistance for HIGHER EDUCATION, it becomes part of the cost to keep an inmate in jail who became a victim of failure to achieve upward mobility!

M_obrenovich

If I would violate the courtorder and go to see my children whom court gave to drug addict criminally convicted mother, who cheat in taxes and in the court and receives the public support and child support and use it to buy drugs, would the author supports me? I guess not. So we know real goal of the author. The goua;l is to take money from hard working Americans and give it to not working. Then if hard working Americans would try to stop paying taxes or stop working, to force them to work, and thus turn them into slaves. So, dear author, are you asking to let selected people to violate the law so they would support you in the quest for slaver? Thank you, but I disagree.

Rungrl45

I don't agree that the American Taxpayers should be forced to help illegal immigrants attend an state college tuition free. Why would we agree to it when most of us who are American Citizens are working 2 jobs for our children to attend college. For that matter I don't believe they should take up seats in our highschools as well. They should attend school in thier country until they obtain a school visa or become a citizen. California can't afford to keep giving to those who are not American Citizens. For every illegal immigrant that is helped an American Citizen isn't. Is that fair I ask you? Would we be helped in Mexico if we had a need? The answer is NO! My vote is to allow them in college the same way our children attend with good honest hard work by thier parents.

Vflores213

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-...

Learn about the bill before false claims of "Taxypayer-Funded Student Aid For ... Illegals?"are made

freedom

you'll see what will happend if there will be no immigrant here. America is a diverse culture and we are all immigrants here that's why its a great country. We help other countries, spend billions of money in war to help others and then you deny somebody to who is already here. Where is the logic here???

Rungrl45

Yes we come from all different nationalities but there is one difference we are American Citizens and some waited years to become one. That is the difference.

treblig

USA supposed to be a fighter of the opressed, the people who are in need. the people who work hard to become legal. We spend BILLIONS of money in war, that's why we are in crisis right now but we have no right to deny those people who are in need denying thier rights for education. USA invested already in thier education why not help more in higher years. THis future kids will build this nation back this country to its feet again.

syro13

This is racist and disgusting. And he is making up shit. He does not understand that the money is already there and not used. Undocumented immigrant are paying taxes yet not benefiting from it and deserve to have some compensation for the contribution to society they have done. They pay more taxes than the rich do. The rich pay no taxes and they benefit from most from this system. They get subsidies at the expense of workers and the general society. We pay the taxes, they get the benefits. Immigrants should get money to get an education when they have demonstrated that they have ability to. The cost of education is a wall against the freedom of people to get an education. Some people who have money have the freedom to get an education, while that same freedom is restricted from the rest of society. The majority of society.

And the money is already in the system so that immigrants can get financial aid. Nobody else is using it. It would have no affect on anyone else. And it would not raise taxes for anyone. We should be raising taxes on the rich to pay for education.

PeterColdwell22

Illegal aliens pay NO State or Federal Taxes . This is a fact . The majorityof them work under the table and send billions back home to Mexico . This might be admirable in it's own right, but the money is NOT spent here where it can help the economy .

This stupid entitlement culture has got to go . Do you think if millionsof illegal Americans were to settle in Mexico - Mexicans would think theywere entitled to billions of dollars of their tax- money ? Mexicans wouldbe 'racist' if they objected in any way ?

The American Dream is for immigrants who come here the right way The legal way . We owe nothing to anyone else who fails to do so . It's not being heartless- in this very down economy , it's being very realistic .

Guest

I absolutely agree with Luisa. I was born in New Jersey however my parents are Cuban, because it is a communist country they did not have the luxury of flying from Cuba to the US, they had to work on the fields in sweltering heat for about 9 months before they were able to get a work Visa & then from there went to Costa Rica for a year then Spain for another year before they actually had a chance to come to the US. As soon as they came to the US they worked there a*& off NO WELFARE, but actual jobs. As soon as they had enough time they got there residency & then worked to become legal US citizens. But always paid taxes, so what now they are 67+ yrs and are retired, they each get $1000 a mnth but yet they don't qualify for medi-cal, medicaid, food stamps etc. They have to pay for there insurance rent ..everything. Yet, you drop a couple of babies here (California) and my oh my ..you get everything .. So the summary of the story is you work hard & do things legally ...you get screwed ...you come from another country no papers, have some babies ...you get everything handed to you. Instead of screwing the hard working americans & retired seniors out of social security ...how about cutting that welfare. You want the American Dream then you work for it, if not ..then get out.

Luisa

HOW ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT FOCUSES ON CITIZENS FIRST THEN WHOEVER ELSE!!! GET THE PEOPLE LIVING OFF OF WELFARE WORKING LIKE EVERYONE ELSE AND PEOPLE ON UNEMPLOYMENT A JOB!!

Ferniestar2

How about we take the US citizen criminals their citizenship away and give it to one of these students who are contributing to your states economy. All they want is a better life and an education. These US citizen criminals are only harming others and creating a dangerous environment for all. Also keep in mind that there are students as myself who are business students and want to start businesses in California in order to create jobs. If it were up to my I would employee these "illegals" (sorry for using this word but this is the only way many will understand) to give them opportunities. Another thing to keep in mind is that many undocumented persons buy at stores, businesses, etc. that are produced by Citizens who are profiting from their purchases to stay afloat and continue to operate. People tend to forget that everyone needs help from others.

Karma

How about you stop having affairs with married men Maria Fernanda Torres? Or is Fernanda Carrera? What alias are you using now? No one wants to hear the opinion of a law breaking undocumented skank who is trying to get pregnant on purpose to get legalized. What help do you need? What help do you offer? You come to my house, meet out children, eat my food and then have an affair with a married man? You are trash. Keep your filthy opinions to yourself, troll.

Rungrl45

Give them opportunities just don't use my hard earned money to give them college. How about a dream act for American children who can't afford to attend college but are deserving?

Luisa

I believe that it is unfair for us that pay our taxes for others to live off our hard earned money. My family and I all pay our taxes and yet other people live off of what all citizens and legal residents are forced to pay every year. We that are citizens are forced to pay taxes and others aren't forced to do the same and that is why we our in such a bad situation. The government won't let us get away with anything and make us pay every cent and yet other people that are illegal aren't forced to pay since they don't belong here. I think the government should be fair.

CAngelina

To the author:Why write an article like this? What do you hope to get out of your hostile dialogue? You sound like someone quitting a job and threatening to go postal. Why not explore the odd irony that Schwartzneggar, an immigrant, has first hand experience of the potential positive (and negative) contributions a person can make despite being born here. For better or worse, California is a place of migrants; it's also a pioneering place. Just ask every actor/model wannabe.

Why would I want someone to grow up without a future, when I know that they are a member of my community? That end cost of that is too high. And how can you mock the sight of a kid working by his dad's side, when the alternatives range from horrifying to wishful thinking? Do I want the kid who mows the law with his dad to cut loose and make money hurting people or himself? No, but you apparently do. Do I want that kid to get a world class education and repay the world he lives in? Hell yes I do.

Besides your overtly self loathing and racist tone, you sound decidedly uneducated yourself. A person is not an "illegal immigrant" until they are removed from the country (usually due to id fraud), and then re-enter a second time. Cut the snark and get your terms down. Most immigrating peoples aren't even actually undocumented. The government knows wher they are. Usually, they are pending a citizenship hearing that doesn't ever happen (unless they break the law), and working under the table to survive (which is primarily "illegal" for the employers if no one has presented false id - though this never comes up in any banter about "illegals", and I don't see anyone eager to pay 5 dollars an apple). And BTW many immigrants awaiting a chance to get citizenship, pay their taxes, despite the fact that it won't repay them or their children - they have to if they want to prove that they live above-board at their hearing.

AND, the guy who mows my law is 50, he's a naturalized citizen because he came from the country NEXT to Mexico. He's an entrepreneur, does well, pays taxes and his kid is growing up to be valuable member of society - a society I'll bet he repays better than someone writing this tripe. If you're exploiting people to mow your lawn for cheap, that's your issue, but that kid might just go to paramedic school and get your bitter heart beating again someday. That is a more preferable scenario than keeping someone down so that you can get cheap service.

Congratulations MD on the passage of the Dream Act on your state (4/12/11). You've invested in your residents, even though they are under-represented, and now your young ones will grow up to to great things. I hope CA follows your footsteps. There are people here from all over that were not eligible for amnesty, and we need to make sure that as things get tough in CA, everyone has hope and helps each other. We especially need to acknowledge our Mexican immigrants and their children and give them what they need to succeed. The education I got from receiving Cal Grants and FAFSA taught me the value of investing in our people - and the pitfalls of not investing in *all* of our people. A society is only as strong as it's weakest link. I don't remember seeing any children of tax-payers being denied this lesson or the education. You want Cal State tuition to go down, keep the Chamber of Commerce away from government.

Alex

How is it possible that it is constitutional for a state to pass a pro-illegal immigrant bill such as the Dream Act, yet it is unconstitutional for a state to pass an anti illegal immigrant bill?

As soon as someone attempts to take away rights or deport an illegal immigrant, the mexicans are quick to say that it is unconstitutional and that states don't have a right to mandate immigration law. Yet it's OK for state to mandate Dream Acts for illegal immigrants. How is this possible? States can not approve dream acts for illegal immigrants. It is the job of federal government to regulate dream acts and immigration law NOT the state. These state sponsored Dream Acts are a scam. If New York, New Mexico, Texas, and California can pass immigration laws that grant citizenship to illegal immigrants, then states like Arizona, Alabama, Virginia, North Carolina, and Minnesota should be able to pass anti-immigration laws that gives police the right to arrest and deport illegal immigrants.

Linda Jimenez 61

ExCUSE ME BUT yOU DONT NEED TO REFER TO IMIGRANT KIDS AS THE PEOPLE WHO MOW LAWN KUZ THERE IS LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO DO IT AND THEY ARE LEGAL..YOU IGNORANT FOOL!

anton22

if the parents are illegal they can still pay taxes.its called an ITIN look it up for those of you that dont know what that is. and why do so many americans think that they are entitled to benefits simply because they were born here.everyone not only illegal immigrants need to work hard for what they want.simply being born here should not entitle you to free money.americans have become very ignorant of other cultures and they do not understand what it is like to live in a third world country where there is always violence and corruption...thats why so many come to america. if it was better in their own country they woudnt bother coming to the USA..many immigrant youth graduating high school are smarter and work much harder than the other natural born citizens..its not about race at all its about heart and many americans dont seem to have one

Lovemymarine

yeah sure there is an ITIN but how many illegals actually go through the process of doing this? Something that really pissed me off was a girl who doesnt even belong here dare say she is better then me and better then i will ever be... she doesnt even know me. To her surprise i am now studying homeland security and will become an immigration officer. Her and her family are all illegals and she now got pregnant and is probably living off of welfare. I have a heart but i also know how to recognize. What most people don't understand is that us U.S. citizens call us lazy or whatever you want to call us those are our rights as citizens and they are just mad because they wish they had the same rights as us. Sorry without our votes and passing laws it ain't happening. Its okay to come to this country but do it the right way.

Jay

Who ever wrote this piece of crap is as stupid as a rock..

Samyrha Saba

Damn you must have sprung out of the ground, everyones an immigrant, more importantly everyone's a child of the earth. Stop hating on immigrants and learn about your roots and the effects of capitalism on the rest of the world.

Guest

Not *everyone* is an immigrant. Some of us were here to begin with.

DerailAmnesty.com

California has a 28 billion dollar budget deficit and the Governor has proposed cutting 1.4 million out of the funds paid to CSU and UC campuses. Resultingly, class offerings will be reduced and tuition rates will drastically increase. So howzabout we start handing out thousands of dollars in grants (annually, per student) to enrollees who have no legal right to be in the country in the first place?

Yeah, that makes sense.

Adolfomonzon

Illegals pay into the system is only fair ...

NoDreamAct

Dear Governor Brown:

Please Veto the California Dream Act given the current economic crisis.

California cannot afford financial aid to 42,000 illegal aliens at this time. As a California taxpayer, I object. Roughly 335,000 students receive Cal-grants. That would be a 12% increase or displacement of citizen recipients.

No matter what pro-illegal immigrant advocates say, California citizens pay or lose benefits each time an illegal alien receives benefits. I am an alumnus of UC and object to my dollars going to fee waivers for illegal aliens. There is no free lunch.

Parents of UC students who are law-abiding citizens have ALL their income assessed by FAFSA. Whether intentional or not, illegal alien parents receive UNDOCUMENTED income that is not tracked. I seriously think there could be a major class action lawsuit that could potentially be won by citizen parents paying full college tuition, part of which UC applies to financial aid for other students, part of which goes to illegal aliens with parents receiving unknown amounts of UNDOCUMENTED income.

Vflores213

The "Claim"--> "California cannot afford financial aid to 42,000 illegal aliens at this time. As a California taxpayer, I object. Roughly 335,000 students receive Cal-grants. That would be a 12% increase or displacement of citizen recipients."

The Report from the Assembly --> "FISCAL EFFECT : No direct state costs. This bill could result in a reallocation of any available scholarship monies by the public universities."

Guest

And that money can go back into the fund for citizens. We are in a recession here, people. Any extra money is NOT going to waste. I dont care what the Assembly (ie One-Bill-Gill) says.

superundocumentedwoman

As an undocumented student at a UC, I paid all my fees out of pocket. I am not complaining -- part of the American dream means you have to work hard and sacrifice. The part that bothers me about this debate this most is that somehow you all forget that we all pay exactly the same tuition -- whether it is paid for privately or by the state.

However, when I pay my tuition, a third of it (and this is for all students) goes back into a pool for financial aid. This financial aid is accessed by all students who paid into that pool. Because I am undocumented, I am forced to pay into the pool but not allowed to compete for those funds. I could care less about financial aid at this point, but I don't want to fund the education of ignorant people -- similar to the ones commenting on this blog. Period. You don't want to make education accessible and affordable for me? Fine, but don't greedily take my money behind closed doors. The same goes for my sale and property taxes that subsidize your public education. Let me pay for my own, and stop taking MY money. How about that? Think I'll win a lawsuit over this? You bet! :)

Have a nice day!

-Awesome Undocumented Student

Ferniestar2

Thank you very much for your response. I completely agree with you why shouldnt we help students in need. Why cant we just lend a helping hand. Also many of these ignorant people posting on this blog are not aware that a third of tuiton costs do go to a financial aid pool that many citizens apply for. Why should any "undocumented student" pay for a citizen's education when its not reciprocal? America citizen students receive financial aid funds and extra checks which are used to buy alcohol, drugs, plane tickets, travel expenses, not for books, supplies, etc. So please again tell me why not help these "illegals" as you call them to better themselves and contribute to california's economy? Also I must add that you @superundocumentedwoman are contributing to california's economy by paying tuition costs that prevent any teacher, school administrator, and school official from loosing their comfy office seat while you might work odd jobs and pay for tuition that goes to their salaries. Thank you!

Karma

Ferniestar2, Fernanda Carrera, Maria Feranda Torres, Maria Torres = lying, fornicating, homewrecking tramp nobody cares for your opinion. We might care if you carried yourself with some dignity and grace but having affairs with married men, then trying to get pregnant to break up the same marriage reveals you to be the selfish troll that you are. I have no sympathy for you. You make all immigrants look bad. Clean up your act and then maybe you can be a REAL CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OF SOCIETY. You are an embarrassment to all Latinas.

FrightenedforWI

I might love you.

Tomander

For those who Oppose the cause read...I came here as a minor with a visa. Went to middle and high school here! My parents who brought me here returned to their country! So, now I can't even pay for the University that I got accepted? What do you mean Illegal students are sucking up and clogging the system? How ignorant such a person be? or a hater?

Guest

The more college seats and the more taxpayer funded financial tuition aid for illegals, the fewer there are of those things for American students. It's not rocket science, dude.

Again, maybe pointing out immutable facts qualifies as "hater" and "ignorant" in Mexico, but we do not need to import Mexico's failed political culture into this country.

FrightenedforWI

You are wrong. You need a 2.0 to get into CSU. They aren't turning anyone away. You need a better than 4.0 to get into UCLA, and 3.7 for other UCs. As a research university, it is their prerogative to take international students, if that is who they choose to do research with. Did you get that? They can take who they like, and they don't always want American kids. Why? I'll tell you.

The only thing keeping Americans out of college, or grad school, is the lack of money put into their early early education. Almost no one without money gets out of high school properly prepared for college - and so on, no one gets out of the state school systems properly prepared for grad school.

That's not a function of overcrowding the schools with the children of immigrants, it's a function is shameful underfunding, and poor funding models, where administrators pass everyone through so they don't stand in sharp contrast to the rest of their city. Everyone's kids are being patted on the back and told that they are brilliant, but they're not. They're sorely undereducated. Those that make it into higher education, that weren't prepped for it with an expensive education, find that out the hard way. I applaud anyone who can meet these challenges.

Almost anyone can get into college if they do well enough, and almost everyone who is low income is funded. The idea behind that is to break cycles of poverty, something that is in everyone's best interest. If bright eyed and bushy tailed American kids aren't getting aid, it's because they are young and you make money - or because they make money. It has nothing to do with who *is* getting it. If you want the qualification for aid to change - do that, but don't go blaming other people for your problems.

At the graduate level, I have never met a student who felt that they had been passed over for anything other than the selfish reasons that college professors choose who they choose - prestige, promise and academic self-replication.

Lovernotafighter

Wow...so much ignorance flowing through these blogs. Why are we so scared of immigration? I see a lot of talk about illegals=mexicans. Can we all please come to the consensus that immigrants are from every part of the world. I will go ahead and highlight a few ignorant comments..

"Yep. The kid who mows your lawn with his dad might just get a shot at some free taxpayer money -- just like your kid who plays video games as the mower buzzes by."

So are we saying that we would rather have this child remain in the same situation for the rest of their lives? like it is some sort of life sentence? What happened to the American dream? What happened to the pursuit of happiness (oh i'm sorry! does this ONLY apply to American citizens?)

"The point is, those kids are not U.S. citizens. Their parents brought them here to feed on the system." sickofspics

I mean...your name says it all..do i even need to go further...complete ignorance! These are human beings! Who are you people? May God forgive you for all you do.

"I know illegal immigrants. I deal with them and their parents on a regular basis. The ones I know (thanks to my job) receive a nice paycheck from state of California every month for doing nothing but existing."

This is a complete joke! An illegal immigrant getting a paycheck..if that was the case why would illegal immigrants choose to do hard labor jobs or choose to be cleaners and maids..and like your buddy mentioned "lawn mowers"? why don't they just do "nothing but exist"?

Did all you "intelligent" Americans know that California is (and has been for a very long time) the state with the most unclaimed taxes every year? BILLIONS of dollars of unclaimed taxes (do your research). Where do you think majority of this money comes from? Illegal immigrants..The most ironic part is illegal immigrants probably pay more taxes than the average US citizen who tries to run away from paying their taxes..Yes they are probably using someone's social security number but best believe they show up to work their butts off everyday to put food on the table! And I can already hear the screams!! "it's illegal...it's the law"...well it was also once a law to consider human beings as property...it was once a law to deny women the rights to vote.. in this same great nation...AND it was also once a law to carry out genocide on Jews. My point is, educate yourselves..don't sit in your homes...ignorant..this country was founded on the backs of "illegal immigrants" (lets be real Christopher Columbus didn't even know where he was!)...we don't see the Native Americans stretching out their hands to...(oh right..they are mostly on reservation camps..hmm..ironic right?)

Now, the REAL QUESTION is....where's all this money going? Why are our leaders making you think the illegals are the enemies? Illegal immigrants are people..just like the rest of us! (news flash!)...they seek the same American Dream we have all boasted to the world about. Don't let political interests distract you from the truth..Why are they cutting down education budget but increasing spending on this war in the middle east? Why are our brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers', death toll increasing while government spending in Iraq keeps skyrocketing? Why are they screwing with all your minds making you think you are being patriotic by dehumanizing another group of people? Do the math my fellow Americans..

lipstickonapig

The ability to abscond the building blocks for an American life give you no legal or moral right to use them as an American. period.

The ILLEGAL ALIENS in our country making demands are TERRORISTS. period.

DEPORT THE SCHEME ACT TERROR BABIES AND THEIR ENABLERS!

P.S.: Don't expect the LGBT's to be helping you interlopers, EVER! We saw all the homophobic remarks that were made on the day DADT repeal happened. The Scheme Act terrorists are opportunistic racist bigots without any grasp of American values.

RosaH

" About 25,000 illegal immigrants are estimated to receive in-state tuition rates in California, according to the Los Angeles Times, and undocumented students accounted for less than three-tenths of 1% of the UC student body in 2007-2008 (that’s roughly 660 students)"

http://www.scpr.org/programs/p...

While there is a large number of immigrants from ALL RACES in California, it is only the TOP TIER of ALL California students who are admitted into the UC system. If undocumented students have gotten in, and are excelling at top Universities it is due to assimilation, incredible character, and amazing academic potential. You are saying "DEPORT" to the scientist who will discover the cure for cancer, the future Nobel Laureate, the future statesman who will improve our nation.

Please reconsider your extremist stance, you may be responsible for robbing the world of the contributions these scholars would have improved our world with.

lipstickonapig

NO! In a nation of laws they apply to us all, and no amount of whining will change the fact your demands for special benefits to ILLEGAL ALIENS is TERRORISM. Period.It's not extremism, it's the law.....but I hear a lot of sad little leftists think the Founding Fathers were extremist bigots so I'll excuse you're zealotry.No matter how you cut it, Illegal Aliens are a "net-loss" for America, and are immoral spineless thieves.

Guest

There is nothing "extremist" about wanting our laws enforced and about not wanting foreign-born children to take college seats away from American children. Maybe this qualifies as "extremist" in Mexico, but not here.

Mexico is a failed state; we do not need to adopt their political culture here.

YaleSheraton44

Imagine how Mexicans would feel if millions of American descended ontheir country and the Mexican government passed laws that forced Mexican tax- payers pay for the education, medical care , food stamps, welfare of their American children ?

Imagine what would happen if they also took spots in colleges and universities that were denied to native Mexicans and Mexicans were forced to pay taxes to pay for their education ?

And imagine , if in return, these Americans treated the Mexicans who gave them all of these things with disrespect and ungratitude calling them names and saying they were ' racist ' if they objected to doing so ?

linet

What happened to being responsible for your actions? What happens to the parents of the Dream Act kids. Are they eventually given amnesty? This is no different than the magnet generated by the employers hiring people that are illegal. What is going to stop illegal immigrants from dragging their children here illegally for the free college education this is just another magnet/reason/handout to come here illegally. What efforts are being made to stop this cycle? Can we separate the state for citizens, elected officials and law enforcement that enforce and abide by the laws on the books and the other have for the supporters of illegal immigrants with the stipulation no loans or monies to exchange between the two. What about the immigrants that are waiting in line to legally enter/become a citizen should they all say screw this and enter any way they can bey sea, or land like the illegals already here has done? I know the children under 10 didn't have a choice but to do what their parents told them but since their parents have chose to not teach their children about respecting the laws of another country and that there are repercussions and consequences for adverse actions they get a pass. Ignorance is nine tenths of the law. What about the children brought here illegally by their parents that are not good students and are in and out jail like the one that killed the Shaw boy who's mother was serving in Iraq at the time (he has a history of crime and is anything but a model citizen but was never deported/his whole family should have been deported). What would be done about children brought here illegally by their parents that choose to join gangs and live a life of crime? At what point do we also talk about the viable problems and solutions at the same time. This is not an across the board situation. The Shaw boy was shot and murdered by one of these children brought here by his parents. He is clearly not a candidate for the Dream Act yet our law enforcement agencies, court system, Mayor, and City Council refuse to come down hard. When stuff like this continue to happen as it has been for decades now it is hard to be supportive of stuff like this because it will just allow more criminals to slip through the cracks. Until law enforcement, courts, and elected officials start seriously enforcing the laws currently on the books for at least illegal immigrants breaking laws additional laws after entering illegally (adults and children/teenagers-who are also recruited by gangs and drug cartels) rotating in and out of our prison system by sending them back to there respective countries (and let them figure out what to do with them), then it is very hard to even consider something like this.

Ferniestar2

you:What is going to stop illegal immigrants from dragging their children here illegally for the free college education this is just another magnet/reason/handout to come here illegally. What efforts are being made to stop this cycle?

Me: Really? Free college education? have you not heard that tuiton costs in california colleges and universities has increased at least 5-10%in less than 5 years. many of these "illegals" are paying their education with hard earned money and private funds. Do you know how much tuition is at a CSU? minimum tuition is at least 10K. These students save and get odd jobs to help pay for their education. They pay for the school officials and teachers [who are citizens of this country to sit in their chairs and still have a job]. Even at the community college levels students still pay fees keeping your school personnel in their AC control offices with work and a paycheck. Many of these students were brought here illegally without the knowledge of their status and grew up here thinking and feeling this is their country. What are these students to do go back to their native countries and what? What lies for them over their? They couldnt go to school- they probably wouldnt be at the same school level as others. You also dont know the circumstances that parents brought their children. I know of a women who her husband was killed in her country and she brought all of her 5 children to this country in hopes of a better life and opportunities for them. She has paid taxes since she came to this country and she worked as a seamstress to survive with her children. She did not have any family here and did was she could to educate her children. Incredible enough this woman with the help of a citizen started a business where they created jobs for many people, yes including other citizens. She is now giving back to the community to that helped her and her children rise above the stereotypes and boundaries. It only took one person to help this women to accomplish so much. Why not help out students who are only looking to become your future doctors, nurses, teachers, business people, for the better of them and your community. You never know when one of these "illegals" as everyone ignorantly calls them will be your next doctor or your child's teacher in the future. Life has many surprises and its a cycle, you never know when you are up or down. So dont ever step on someone who is down because you never know when you will be down and need the help.

linet

Yes there are a lot of hard working good people that chose to come here withthere children illegally. I know how much tuition is my daughter is stillpaying off her student loan, not to mention the part time job she had thewhole time she was in college to pay for books, supplies, etc. So in livingthe American dream this is what you have to do instead of demanding handouts from the government, which we cannot afford. Even if we could affordit what do I tell my daughter who did not get a free ride even though wewere strapped financially (the working poor). Unfortunately children areaffected by the choices their parents make. I was affected by my parentschoices and I dealt with it. So these children that were brought illegallymust continue to work hard and receive assistance from private citizens suchas yourself if they want a higher education. They are learning a very hardlesson, when your parents chose to enter a country illegally (any country)you must deal with the consequences. This is no different from parents thatchose to commit crimes and their children are thrown into the system becausethey do not have any relatives that can or want to take them in or do nothave any other relatives. Is it unfortunate that these children that want acollege education have to work odd jobs? Yes it is but a lot of people havestruggled and worked odd jobs to get through college that's part of beingAmerican. Sometimes you have to suck it up and dig deep if you wantsomething bad enough and asking citizens to foot the bill for children whowere brought here illegally by there parents is not the only solution tothis problem. They must continue to work odd jobs and get help from you andyour friends. Eventually the children their families will have to deal withthe consequences of the senior family members actions. The fact that theyhave a college degree by working hard will help when their parents finallyhave to deal with the consequences of their actions. Please keep in mindthat while there are people here illegally that work hard and want tocontribute to the American society and there are also people here illegallythat do not want to contribute to the American society and are criminals(teenagers and adults).

linet

Yes you need to be a citizen and in becoming an educated individual youshould want to do what you can to be a legal citizen of the country youreside regardless of how you ended up in that country (by choice or by thechoice of your parents). Once you become aware of the truth as a young adultand want to continue your life style in the country your parents brought youto, then you become part of the decision process on what the family need todo to rectify the situation as an individual family. America is not the onlycountry in the world that have laws, rules, and regulations that must beadhered to, regardless if you agree with them or not.

Fernanda

I do agree with you regarding the consequences of people. However, you wrote,"Is it unfortunate that these children that want a college education have to work odd jobs? Yes it is but a lot of people have struggled and worked odd jobs to get through college that's part of being American."

So if your saying that "these children" meaning undocumented student work the same odd jobs to pay for school supplies and college tuition as a US Citizen is part of being American. Why shouldnt we treat them like American. They pay the same or more tuition costs, buy schools supplies, work and contribute to the economy. The difference between "an illegal" (I apologize for the term) and your daughter is that there are student loans and financial aid to help you and her with the education she has received. being strapped for money obligated you to turn to student loans right because she didnt qualify for financial aid because her parents possibly make too much money for the financial aid guidelines and criteria. You are right children do have to pay for their parents actions. Your daughter has now to pay because her parents didnt save for her education, have financial difficulty, and when you need assistance its been unfair that you didnt receive it. What about the students who dont have money or their parents and even still cant receive financial aid ohh and wait they cant apply for any type of loan. What about them? Your daughter had the advantage of 9 social security numbers that helped finance her education by applying for loans. The difference between your daughter and these undocumented students are 9 social security digits- it is not the will to learn, not the drive to become someone, or the brain and heart to have dreams and hopes for a happy and better life. 9 digits deprive a student from an education it is me or does that sound ridiculous?

FrightenedforWI

You: "What is going to stop illegal immigrants from dragging their children here illegally for the free college education this is just another magnet/reason/handout to come here illegally." Me: I don't know, why did your grandparents not want you to go to school?

You have a very weak understanding of push and pull factors, although I appreciate that you seem to know they exist. And who is teaching who not to respect laws? And are you saying that this is why a person was murdered? Because the act of crossing a border, teaches people that murder is ok, and that the murderers are out to get the children of a service people? You sound utterly crazy.

Most crime that has a social-economic component is inflicted on it's own people. You would know that if you had tried to offer an informed opinion. And if you aren't racist, you have some wonky ideas about who it is we are talking about. What about the criminals? The best way to fight crime is to get people in the right track. I would no more let one immigrant murderer represent a population of people, than I would let the US's 175+ serial killers represent you.

And get real, no one is "waiting" in a queue on the other side of the border to come here legally. It doesn't work that way. You cross, you are interviewed, your paperwork is started you come. You discover that many creepy Americans call you illegal and even the term 'undocumented' confuses you because, you have the documentation in your hand. People die waiting for that paperwork to be processed. Or, you already know you won't be accepted, so you risk life and limb to bypass the border gaurds, so you can send money back to your hungry family. Although you are not yet a criminal in the eyes of the law, you discover that many creepy Texans, try to shoot you.

People are here. They are here. Deal with it. They are already here, they are not going anywhere - they are here. They are not trying to kill you. They are not taking the job that you think you have more right to. They are not killing the children of service people. They are living beside you, trying to get by, just like you and I. What becomes of them is up to us - the Dream Act is a great place to start.

DEPORT!

"The qualified immigrants would make up less than one percent of the UC and Cal State student population."Where did those BS figures come from ,Dennis Romero???California (little Mexico) is swamped with criminal aliens. They are all criminals by the way. "Immigration" is a "legal process" not to be confused with illegal criminal entry. Its the law.I wonder if Dennis Romero would also claim that less than 1% of students in public (government) Schools are illegals?He probably would, but I'd call BS on that too.

FrightenedforWI

Yes those figures come from an estimate of who is paying exorbitant fees for college. So the answer to your question is, he got them from CSU and UC. They have demographic records, and they know who is taking their classes. Why are they not thrown in jail you ask? Simple, because they are *not illegal* - no matter how many times you repeat it.

You should have gone to school yourself. Your command of "the law" is astounding. not in a good way.

RosaH

http://www.scpr.org/programs/p...

Please reconsider your extremist stance, you may be responsible for robbing the world of the contributions these scholars would have improved our world with.

FrightenedforWI

Agreed. I did not get into UCLA. Others did. Some were non-citizens - from all over. Some were non-citezens from here, many times over.

I took classes with some of these individuals through an exchange with another UC school, and you know what? They ruled. The people I remember make this world a hopeful, honest place. I hope when they finish they stay in CA, because they had many options and possibilities if they can afford to get through.

Guest

Most of the "Dream" sob stories we are subjected to in the media are about people who are pursuing useless puffball degrees like political science and ethnic studies, i.e, future tax-sucking "activists". We do not need any more of such people in our country; we are already divided enough.

If there are indeed a few promising useful people in the system, they can appeal individually for a private bill to legalize them.

FrightenedforWI

MaryJay, If you really think that promising people can get citizenship individually through a schoolhouse rock type bill, I hope you go back to your "tax sucking" state job and spend the rest of your clerical days filing *that* paperwork. It will fuel your vitriol, and solve our energy crisis. We can just 'tap' your hate.

Useless degrees. You would benefit from "ethnic studies".

The last two big cases that were in the media was, first, a young man who couldn't legally work, so he went to school and was about to go to law school. And another, who was also on his was to law school, pending the completion of his grad degree. He worked for the AFLCIO. That person personally defended my student union to fight against tuition hikes and lobbied to keep UC staff employees from being laid off - people who have jobs just like the one you *claim* to have. The investment in his future had been made, and our government was too cross-eyed to let him stay and cash in. The catalyst was that the pending citizenship status fell upon troubles when his dad (the person originally seeking political asylum 30 years ago) died. These people will work and succeed somewhere, they will buy property and pay taxes. In other words, they'll be contributing more than you - somewhere.

Finally, I am not divided. I want what's best for you too. It's really win win. That's the point. But if you'd rather be right, and live out a self-fulfiling prophecy where eventually criminals are who you think they are, then go create that somewhere else.