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Raving Without Ecstasy: Is It Even Possible?

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Caesar Sebastian
Ravers at Together As One.
Following our weekend report about the 62 medical emergencies and 25 arrests at the annual "Together As One" New Year's Eve rave, several commenters weighed in to accuse us of being biased.

After all, these megaraves are just good clean fun for the whole family, and other events have created just as much havoc. One reader, reacting to our cover story on megaraves, listed a host of rock concert tragedies (Altamont!), most of which were from the last millennium. Another stated that big NASCAR races produced more hospitalizations.

Oookay. Here's our point:

Love 'em or hate 'em, the big parties (four happen annually) at the publicly owned L.A. Coliseum and Sports Arena produce about one ecstasy death and a few hundred medical emergencies each year. Like clockwork.

We're not talking about one-off concerts from the 1970s or Berlin megaraves that have since been canceled. We're talking about regularly occurring, officially approved raves on public property that consistently produce deaths and overdoses.

The numbers produced by Together As One, while tamer than the much larger Electric Daisy Carnival in summer, were par for the course, despite a host of new rules placed on the parties by the L.A. Coliseum Commission (tighter security, 18-and-up, more medical personnel).

A U.S. Centers for Disease Control report on 2009's year's TAO stated that 18 people went to hospitals with symptoms of drug overdoses, mostly as a result of ecstasy usage.

This year the Los Angeles Fire Department reports that of the 62 medical emergencies it looked at, 17 people were hospitalized.

It's not yet clear what proportion of those people had used ecstasy, but as you can see, the numbers are not surprisingly different from year to year (although the 2009 saw one drug-related death days later).

Okay, so if we're going to green light these things (and that's fine by us), let's do so with eyes wide open, m'kay.

What's strange to us is that supporters of megaraves state that if kids are going to party and take ecstasy, it's better to do so on public property, where paramedics and cops are around to keep an eye on them. Smaller,"underground" parties are much more dangerous, they say.

Seriously? We looked into it. The number of ecstasy related deaths from small, underground events in L.A. we could find in the last five years: 0.

What's more, some party experts told us for our cover story that young people gear up for these megaraves like they're the parties of a lifetime. They do things they wouldn't normally do at a smaller event.

In fact, the funniest comment we received was from Strangeling2011, who, in response to a comment by a self-described sober raver, asks:

One question...if you've been raving sober for two years, how do you keep up with everyone? I found it so difficult to just be IN IT for the entire night. SOO much easier when rolling...do you take any energy supplements?

Indeed. Is raving without ecstasy even possible?

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MG
MG

The people running these events don't condone drug use. In fact, I have met people who don't use the term rave anymore when referring to their events because of the drug stigma attached. They might think that calling the event a music festival will discourage 15 year olds from taking ecstasy while there. If you put a spotlight on the negative, you should speak to the guys that make these events happen. They are the rave experts. They spend the whole night off drugs too so I would probably take their word over the "rave experts" referred to. Whatever happened to checking your facts. A raver you met at a party doesn't count buddy. Fair news reporting isn't underrated. This article doesn't even reference their efforts. Also, separate but related, if you want to shut down everything that results in deaths we should probably close the bars and the liquor stores. Kids get ahold of alcohol all the time. Why not focus on underage drinking instead? Did you check the stats for alcohol related fatalities in minors and adults in LA? It seems to me that educating ravers is the better path. I would encourage you, if you want a valid career in reporting, to check your facts, check your sources, reference all sides and lay off the grandstanding. Did you even check out the events for yourself or is this all based on second and third hand accounts?

Loss of life is tragic, always. But fanning the flames of hysteria and ignorance is a scary, slippery slope.

Big Mike
Big Mike

going sober to a rave has its ups and downs. For example when your sober you can see EVERYTHING alot of people are under the influence of something so its easy for them to drop things like wallets, money, jewelery, glasses, expensive lights. A friend of mine always go with us to a rave sober and she comes up on 40+ dollars in the past 4 events! Paid for our waters! but when your sober you don't have that much energy compared to someone on E.

enuff_already!
enuff_already!

its actually funny becuz i did call LA WEEKLY out on bias articles about raves but look at the sarcastic way the author wrote this article! heres a scenario: people smoke meth inside their houses! should we stop selling houses now? SHUT UP!!!!

Strumpling
Strumpling

Nice jab, Dennis.

Plenty of us rave without ecstasy.

You yourself gave that outspoken lady's estimation that 85% of people at raves are on various substances.

Even though I think that number is totally inflated, this implies that 15% of the people there are... what, Dennis? Ghosts?

No, they're raving without ecstasy. I'd say it's more than 15%.

Make up your mind, douche capitol. Are at least 15% of the people at raves NOT ton drugs, are your sources shit, or are you just full of it?

Loaded question? I'm sorry.

Take care now,

-Strumpling

KT
KT

Your conflation of Ecstasy and raving is a fallacy. In asking if raving without Ecstasy is "possible," you're trying to imply that 100% of individuals who attend raves are also taking Ecstasy. It's so ridiculous as to be laughable. What's scary is that you believe everything you write.

Lily Nomnomnom
Lily Nomnomnom

It is very possible, and it is still RIDICULOUSLY fun. You go and are there for the music and the DJ's you like...NOT anything else. At least, that's the way that my friends and I have been doing it for many many years.

It is unfortunate that many attendees now only attend what is termed "megaraves" because of the drugs and the idea of simply partying. They are usually not there for the music and their actions, inevitably, wreak havoc upon the community of those who would only be there for the music.

Ian Vernon
Ian Vernon

Raving without ecstasy is possible. I'm 18 (but only turned 18 a couple of days ago), and it indeed is, possible. I've never popped once in my life. I go for the music. The music is what drives the events, not the drugs. I went to Electric Zoo in New York this past Labor Day, and I heard of no arrests or deaths at the event. It was outdoors, and more importantly, had free water. At a lot of events, water is charged at a ridiculous about (4 dollars a bottle at Spookfest in San Francisco this past October!). Charging this much for something at an event in which people will be dancing (a physically exhausting activity) is ludicrous, and lack of water is a key issue for those suffering from medical emergencies. Am I saying free water will fix all of the problems? No, but it can definitely help curb them. Your remark about asking whether raving without ecstasy is even possible though, is false, and I say completely wrong. It had no purpose in being in your article, and seemed to be there just to rile ravers (like me) up. If you did it for that reason, you achieved that purpose. But, you're helping perpetuate the belief that if you love electronic music, you have to do drugs. This isn't true. Music is a universal language that binds us all together, whether it be classical, electronic, folk, or rock.

Reason&Logic
Reason&Logic

I suggest that you propose some "real" scientific studies of the pharmaceutical drug "3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine." To make unfounded claims against a substance that is less dangerous than the "legal" drugs; tobacco and alcohol and even some of the ones that most Doctors prescribe to middle aged to elderly people everyday. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.... Maybe you should consider the fact that the media over-reports "ecstacy" related deaths, most of the deaths and injuries are not caused by MDMA itself but from poly-drug abuse and mostly dehydration due to lack of water intake+electrolytes, and alcohol consumption. Also consider how many deaths of other drug abusers are reported in the news...it is not fairly reported. ( A telling review of 10-year media reporting of drug deaths in Scotland illustrates the distorted media perspective very well (Forsyth, 2001).[132] During this decade, the likelihood of a newspaper reporting a death from paracetamol was in [sic] per 250 deaths, for diazepam it was 1 in 50, whereas for amphetamine it was 1 in 3 and for ecstasy every associated death was reported.) I think that the U.S. needs to grow up and start really educating children about drugs, not scaring them.

Zero
Zero

Thank you Reason and Logic.Thank you. Although, for some reason, America Doesn't seem like they are ready for things that make sense. Its Sad.

Yournameis
Yournameis

Raving sober is easy, and pretty much fun..

Charles Brink
Charles Brink

In "public" places the tax payer is the target for law suits the kids overdose

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