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Caesar Sebastian / Insomniac
Ravers at 'EDC.'
It was a day of magical thinking Wednesday at the L.A. Coliseum, where officials essentially said yes to another edition of a two-day rave that saw 60 mostly drug-related arrests, more than 200 medical emergencies and the ecstasy-related death of a 15-year-old attendee.

That's fine. But the lies and half-truths uttered before the Coliseum Commission so that it could approve the events at public venues with a modicum of self-respect were harder to swallow than a huge pill of ecstasy (with no water, either).

As people in the commission meeting room held handouts with statistics on the four raves held at the sister Coliseum and Sports Arena venues, general manager Patrick Lynch said this:

"The numbers of [medical] transports have gone down."

Eva Rodriguez, aunt of the teenager who died last June after attending the notorious Electric Daisy Carnival, looked at her sheet and shook her head in disbelief.

It shows transports for the last party at the Sports Arena, New Year's Eve's Together As One, at 17. The one before that, Monster Massive, saw 15. The one before that, Love Festival, saw three. We reported that 2009's Together As One saw 18 transports.

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Dennis Romero
L.A. County will actually teach you how to take ecstasy.

And the numbers didn't even go past 2010. An emergency room manager told us he knows of one death a year in the last five years related to Coliseum/Sports Arena raves.

Up at the Bay Area's Cow Palace, officials were so flustered by the consistent numbers of ecstasy overdoses at raves there -- despite taking measures similar to those imposed by the commission in November -- that they pulled the plug on the events.

In fact, even after the commission imposed all kinds of new rules, including an 18-and-up policy, more cops, more security, more medical personnel and more "harm reduction" education about the ills of ecstasy, the transports remained pretty predicable: 18 one year; 17 the next.

As commissioner Rick Caruso, one of three to express serious reservations about the events, noted, "We're putting people in harm's way. We're shifting city resources for a group of people .. some of which come here to use drugs."

Or, as commissioner Jerome Stanley said:

" ... It's also kind of creepy you know. We're doing all this ... We're really preparing for something that's very bad and that's why we're doing it. It's almost counterintuitive. We're giving it (drug education material) out because we expect people to get in trouble. I'm hoping that we can turn it around."

But the magical thinking continued.

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A map of next June's Electric Daisy Carnival.

A doctor brought in by the promoter compared the numbers of injuries at raves to those at marathons, NASCAR events, Olympics competitions and even Papal visits. Caruso wasn't having it.

"You are comparing the pope's visit to a concert where there is a lot of drug use
and a marathon where there are people running."

Police brass, a city fire battalion chief, the doctor, the event's producer, and promoter Pasquale Rotella were all lined up at one table (literally) to give testimony as a slate in favor of the party. No critics, including the area emergency room doctors we talked to who said the events bring them a spike in casualties the likes of which they rarely see other times of the year, were invited to testify (at least according to appearances).

It didn't matter. The deal was done. In fact, the public commission which last month voted to have EDC come before it with its plans for specific approval, decided a vote wasn't even necessary.

This commission appears to work in a vacuum, and it's clearly seen more news cameras in connection with the rave controversy than it has probably seen in the last five years. The body didn't even discuss the fact that, even after strict age guidelines and procedures were implemented, the Together As One party last month saw IDs go unchecked.

Caruso introduced a motion that would have (again) required a specific vote to approve EDC's plans, but no one would second it -- not even the outspoken Stanley.

That's how things in L.A. work, folks.

Ten, fifteen years ago you think public officials would have supported raves?

Now, after EDC's promoter hired a well-connected lobbying firm (the firm is no longer representing him), pols and officials are falling over themselves to defend a scene they clearly know little about.

A lawyer representing the family of Sasha Rodriguez, the 15-year-old who died after she attended EDC last year, said raves represent nearly 30 percent of the annual income at the Coliseum and Sports Arena.

During the meeting general manager Lynch said the venues were "about a million dollars below our budget."

Caruso said the commission's support of raves is "profit-driven."

Promoter Rotella, meanwhile, compared his events favorably to the Ultra Music Festival in Miami and Movement - the Detroit Electronic Music Festival in the Motor City.

While they're also electronic music showcases, they are different beasts. (Not that most of the commissioners would know any better).

Ultra has traditionally been a day party during the dance industry retreat known as the Winter Music Conference. Sure, people party there. But a rave it's not.

And DEMF, as it's sometimes known, is also a daytime celebration of that city's techno roots and history. Again, there are probably people who get stupid, but it's not a rave, and Rotella knows it.

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This young woman appeared to have been hurt as a crush of people crashed a barrier at the last EDC.

It's funny. The name of Rotella's company (like the names of other rave organizers) is rooted in drug culture: Insomniac Events. You know what makes you stay up all night and dance? Yeah.

Here's what Rotella told a Fox 11 News crew outside the commission:

"Last year was a very tragic situation, but the first. And we plan on it being our last."

Really? We documented several deaths at parties over the years, including an overdose a little more than a year ago connected to ... Together As One, a party Rotella co-promotes.

Even police officials had a hard time giving straight answers.

Asked to calculate how much the extra 300 officers assigned to most of the Coliseum/Sports Arena raves cost, two high-ranking LAPD officials talked around it.

Here it is: $201,000 a day, not including possible overtime. That's $401,000 of taxpayer money so kids can rave, go to the hospital, and sometimes die.

Commissioner Bernard Parks, the former LAPD chief, rightly noted that the city often staffs public events that enrich L.A. culturally or bring in tax revenue. He mentioned the Lakers championship parade, the Democratic National Convention, and the Olympics.

"There is a culture here that is different than going to the DNC (Democratic National Convention) or going to the Olympics," Caruso said. "The comparison is interesting by highly irrelevant."

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Young people at EDC.

Caruso asked the police officials if having 300 cops at a rave would mean there were less officers patrolling surrounding areas of South L.A. An official again talked around the answer, stating that she would prepare and staff-up for events to ensure areas were covered.

However, Deputy Chief Patrick Gannon told us, essentially, that the staffing would "penalize the communities" of South L.A. unless the promoter stepped up to pay for the extra cops.

(He told the website CityWatch, "I know they're [raves are] wrong. It's been a huge problem for us. We've had overloaded trauma rooms. Am I really overly concerned? I think we are sanctioning things at these types of events." We're going to take a wild guess here and say he wasn't invited to be at the promoter's table Wednesday).

Grace Rodriguez, Sasha's mother, told us she was okay with the commission's stance.

"My main concern is the safety of the kids," she said. "People shouldn't have to suffer for other people's mistakes. If you're going to do it, do it right."

Former raver Kimberly Keith, 31, came to testify before the body Wednesday. She said she was disappointed by the commission's inaction.

She criticized Parks for his continued insistence that a rave "by definition" is an illegal, underground party, and that the likes of EDC are concerts.

"The principal behind the events are the same," Keith told the Weekly. "The reality is the drug use is excessive. You have people lying all over the floor."

"I'm highly disappointed," she said. "They [the commissioners] love to wear blinders."


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Youareanidiot
Youareanidiot

5 minutes of research would reveal to you that it is practically impossible to overdose on ecstasy. Get your facts straight you ignorant jackass.

The girl who died last year didn't die from an overdose of ecstasy. She died of hyponatremia, which is essentially an overdose of WATER.

AnthonyC
AnthonyC

Dennis Romero is a FAGGOT. God, shut up with all your bitching already.

Fuckoffndie
Fuckoffndie

this article is really poorly written, researched, and totally biased and maybe bigoted. which is good because i wouldn't want anyone taking you too seriously.

Dannie Star
Dannie Star

This is my view on the whole thing, people are people let them do as they please if the want to overdose hell let them. Everyone shouldn't have to suffer because some dumb 15 yr old got in thought she was cool and od'ed. She did it to herself. I'm sure that the event nor the promoter told her, or anyone else for that matter, to take drugs or drink. She decided to take them and lie to other people to buy her drinks and killed herself. I'm a big fan of raves and I know my limit on what I can and can't do. Gosh you make it seem like they forced the drugs down her throat.

Rbseahawk42
Rbseahawk42

Love how this reporter will respond to people who agree with him. But he's too big of a pussy to stand up to those who call his bs. Or maybe it's because u have NO REAL EVIDENCE on what u say. Stop being such a biased reporter and do REAL research. Let's see cites for ur information. My cousin in eighth grade makes ur reporting look like shit compared to hers.

Big Mike
Big Mike

I love how Dennis always talks shit on EDC how people gate crashed, because too many people where there they had to close off the entrance to the main stage which lead to the gate jumping which then lead to that chick you see that is all bloody. People that jump fences take their own risk. You really can't blame anyone but the person that's actually jumping the fence. These people take the risk by climbing over a 7 foot fence then have to fall another 12 feet to the floor. You have to be a retard to do this. Then Sasha is always brought up for no reason. Her friends told the news the next day that she drank water that was "laced" with E now her friends are telling LA Weekly that she only took one pill. Well her friends are really the ones to blame aren't they? Less than 250 people got hurt that 2 days and 185 thousand people went that's not even a full 1%. Where is the good talk like Above & Beyond played a great fucking show? Armin Van Buurens set was soooo sick with the fog and green lasers! Not to mention the fire works!! That's what really needs to be talked about.

earthmomm
earthmomm

1. How many overdose deaths occur normally in LA each day? 2. Where is the individual responsibility of/for these people who attend this event? They are adults, let them make their own decisions. 3. How many injuries/deaths happen each day due to alcohol? Shall we next outlaw the sporting events because of the beer?4. How many of those od's happened to people who had od'd before? In other words, were they just as apt to have od'd at home or at a friend's house? It wasn't the RAVE that made them od, it was their ineptitude and bad choices.

I suspect young people have gone to these gatherings since the dawn of time. And yes, death/injuries have happened. Any time you get that kind of concentration of energy in one place, drugs/alcohol or not, stuff's gonna happen. I think controlling the numbers is essential, and I think 75k is a reasonable cap. Kudos for all involved for making a compromise that both sides can work with.

By the way, my good friend got accidentally pushed on the stairs at a play and fell and seriously hurt her back. Another older lady had been taken away in an ambulance with breathing difficulties. Two emergency calls to a play that only had a few hundred people attending. Life ain't safe.

IwasThere
IwasThere

People havea choice. To go to a "Rave" or to not. This is what is happening in our culture now, and many are scared by it. Each generation had their own "Black". Let people make the choice for themselves. Provide adequate safety and what not, but ultimately, its our choice. If you dont approve of raves, then dont go, but what gives you the right to restrict us from what we want?

Ultra is a Rave, there is no doubt about it.

sickofbullshit
sickofbullshit

god damn this dennis guy is so fucking biased im getting the wierdest boner from it.I think im reading a fox news article fuck!

The fact is that girls parents are responsible that they raised a daughter who wanted to try drugs dress like a skank and lie to her parents.

Sympathetic, no. Darwinism at its best. The survival of the fittest.

aka the stupid dumb bitch that couldnt control herself died. That means her stupidity died off with her.

Crazy Eyes
Crazy Eyes

Lying thieves in suits are the worst kind of individuals! Your parents should be ashamed of raising liars that profit of the ignorance of youth. I realize times are tough but when you side with party promoters that promote drugs to inflate your annual profit that is bad form. You commissioners are just paid whores that are used by losers like that loser Pasquale that is only rich because he is a little pimp with no balls!

anthony909
anthony909

Dennis what do you have against the electronic dance music scene? Your articles are so biased and one sided, how do you call yourself a journalist. You should present both sides of the story instead of adding your spin on every story. You would be a great fir working for Fox News.

Big Mike
Big Mike

Dennis has never herd of On A Good Day by Above & Beyond that's why he hates electronic music. He probably thinks all electronica is the devils music. Which is really sad.

old school
old school

Dennis Romero, try as he may, can not seem to shake the anger he feels in his heart at having been ignored by the dance music community. Over the years, he has tried mightily to become a renowned documenter of the scene. He wrote for City Beat, he has blogged (www.danceblogga.com), and he now writes for LA Weekly. And yet, the collective sigh from the clubbers, ravers, DJ's, and dancers has not inspired him to write better stories about more interesting topics. It has not inspired him to dig deeper for new artists, to find new music to discuss, or new angles to illuminate. No. He continues to write the same kind of stories one can read anywhere, the generic article about the world famous trance DJ's and the big time promoters that bring them to town. Yawn. It seems that his star has not risen to a height he deems acceptable, no VIP passes, no after party invites, no famous friends or young cute girls hanging on his every word, so he has turned on his first love. If you can't join them, beat them. For years, he wanted to be a part of the scene. Go back and read his fawning reports from years past. This sad tale is painfully obvious. When the community rejected him, actually not even rejected, just ignored him, he snapped. Now he is making it his mission to attack the same scene he once loved. The LA Weekly, somehow, gives him a venue for this pathetic display. Perhaps the editors are not familiar with his history, but there are many old school club kids who still pay attention to what is happening. We know the score.

urajoke
urajoke

"You know what makes you stay up all night and dance? Yeah."

music does. you don't seem to get that.

Alive4dance
Alive4dance

Now what happened after the Lakers won the NBA championship on June 17th 2010, 7 days before EDC??? Oh yes there was RIOTING!! What happened the year before that when the Lakers won the playoffs? I believe it was RIOTING AGAIN!! And what helped these people in their celebration-turned-violent-rampage? Alcohol. A controlled substance. What is Ecstasy? A controlled substance. So since there is abuse and over-use of one controlled substance at a certain event (ecstasy at edc) any event where this drug is used (any rave or electronic music festival) must be banned. But an event such as a Lakers playoff game where there is guaranteed abuse of another controlled substance (alcohol) and a continued tradition of violence and destruction to the city, wont be banned. Of course not. Yes that makes a lot of sense. Where else can u find people acting stupidly or causing violence or damage because of many different controlled substances? Nightclubs, rock concerts, sports events. If there is a precedent being set then all of those must be banned as well. Singleing one out because of ignorance or bias is illogical.

Danimus Marinus
Danimus Marinus

"It's funny. The name of Rotella's company (like the names of other rave organizers) is rooted in drug culture: Insomniac Events. You know what makes you stay up all night and dance? Yeah."

LOL. I don't even go to these event and even I can see the logical fallacy in this pseudo-argument. This is what you would call a straw-man argument; you try to build something up to what it really isn't. Insomniac refers to the idea of being up all night. You don't need drugs to stay up all night, especially if you slept in the night before. The fact that this pseudo-reporter wanna-be is trying to say that in order to be up all night, you have to be on drugs, is complete wrong and stupid to assum. Then again, you can't expect much from a bodunk "reporter" who doesn't have a clue when it comes to posing sound and logical arguments. I suggest that this "reporter" enroll at the nearest community college and take Intro to Logic, because he badly needs it.

Jack
Jack

Dennis,

I used to be a journalist myself so I appreciate your dedication to uncovering all the details, but you definitely come off as pretty biased.

So what if there is politics and money under the table deciding whether or not raves exist? The real question is whether these parties should be allowed to be held in the first place. And if you believe in people being able to live their life how they choose to (for better or worse), then raves should be allowed. People who go to raves and consume ecstasy are not hurting other people, they are accountable for their actions in the same way that people who go to clubs and consume alcohol are.

I have been raving for three years now and I don't know if I've ever met anyone who, on the whole, regretted their ecstasy use. I'm guessing you have not done substantial research on the drug, if you get a chance you should watch this 20/20 documentary by Peter Jennings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Take care bud, but realize that where there is demand there will be supply. And ecstasy is nowhere near tobacco, alcohol, heroine or cocaine in terms of its negative cost on society for the simple fact that it is not addictive. Don't knock it till you know what it's about.

Zero
Zero

Why is it that the person that wrote this article hates raves so much? They are comparing it to other types of events for a reason. The amount of people hospitalized is the same as any other event, so whats the problem here? Also, stop calling these "raves". They are not raves. Its a music festival. Period. To stop a festival like EDC you would have to stop ALL music festivals, including rock, hip hop, and country. You can't put a bad label on a festival based on the style of music coming out of the speakers. Dennis Romero, you sir.........are a complete jackass.Your going to call insomniac out on lies and half truths? Show me evidence that Insomniac events pose any threat to society. Go Talk to law enforcement and they will tell you that "ravers" are a peaceful crowd. EDC last year saw 189,000 people over the weekend. 200 people out of that is one hundredth of a percent! Your going to tell me that on hundreth of a percent is a high number, when you claim that the whole thing is kids going to do drugs? Either less people are doing drugs than you think OR the drugs themselves aren't causing the problems you are claiming they do.EDC is better than Christmas. if you don't like it, don't go and keep your kids inside. When they are 18 they will just to go even more.People like Dennis Romero are the problem with America and much of the world today. You have a closed mind and feel that whatever you feel must be imposed on everyone else. L.A. weekly, please fire this guy.

DENNIS' INACCURACIES!!
DENNIS' INACCURACIES!!

In Regards to these statements: "Ultra has traditionally been a day party during the dance industry retreat known as the Winter Music Conference. Sure, people party there. But a rave it's not."

LET ME ASK YOU DENNIS? HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO ULTRA? I'm going to make the conclusion NO. LET ME FURTHER ASK YOU (SO THAT I CAN REALLY MAKE A POINT HOW HOW IDIOTIC YOUR STATEMENT WAS) DID YOU TAKE ANY TIME TO ACTUALLY RESEARCH ANYTHING ABOUT ULTRA? Yea, I absolutely know you did not. If you had taken the time to research, even a child at 8 years old could have pointed this out, Electric Daisy Carnival starts at 2pm! It is a day party. You would seen that Ultra is from 11am - 11pm and EDC is from 2pm-2am.

SECONDLY, take a look at the DJs from Ultra for the past 5 years and compare them to the DJs from EDC for the past 5 years, and if you can read, like an 8 year old, then you'll notice that over 50% of the DJs are the EXACT same people!

THIRDLY, DID YOU EVEN THINK TO ACTUALLY DO YOUR RESEARCH AND DUE DILIGENCE FOR THIS ARTICLE BY INTERVIEWING PARTICIPANTS THAT HAD BEEN TO ULTRA AND EDC OR DEMP AND EDC? Because if you had, you'd realize that these events all are identical. I've been to all of the events 5+ years and you're lying to yourself if you think you can read a history blub online and conclude that they are different.

ANOTHER DENNIS INACCURACY: "Here it is: $201,000 a day, not including possible overtime. That's $401,000 of taxpayer money so kids can rave, go to the hospital, and sometimes die."

Dennis, REALLY!!!, if you had actually done your research or interviewed anyone with any merit from the Police Dept, Fire Dept., or Insomniac team (WHICH BY THE WAY MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A VERY UNPROFESSIONAL JOURNALIST TO HALF A MILLION PEOPLE), you would have learned that Rotella pays thousands of dollars to have cops on staff as well as fire personel. Where do you get off that the taxpayers are paying everything? The Colesium isn't the only one that profits from the music festival. Duh!

Dennis, DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT "RAVE" STANDS FOR? Maybe you should have looked on Wikipedia or done your due diligence on what a rave is before you make completely inaccurate remarks for the world to read. Are you getting that you are misrepresenting and doing Americans injustice? Wikipedia has its history and terminology correct. "Rave, rave dance, and rave party are terms with first documented use on April 4, 1970[1] to describe RAVE Dances, and later in 1980 for Acid house parties with fast-paced electronic music and light shows". YES, YOU ARE COMPARING A 200,000 PERSON PUBLIC PERMITTED COMPLETELY LEGAL EVENT WITH THE TERMINOLOGY OF AN UNDERGROUND UNPERMITTED ILLEGAL HOUSE PARTY. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!

I was a photojournalist for 3 years and you would be a disgrace to the newspaper I worked for. How do you even have your job still? I hope your boss reads this because what you presented were statements of inaccurate facts and clearly no research!

Strumpling
Strumpling

Hey Dennis how do you feel the meeting should have gone. You're clearly unhappy with how it went down.

You've been asked a few times: How would you like to see the (mega)rave scene (d)evolve in Los Angeles?

Share?

Kellysabunny
Kellysabunny

HAHAHAHA Ultra is not a rave??? LOL I went to WMC last year, I also went to the pool parties, space, Ultra etc...Ive never seen so much blatant drug use in my entire life! And this year WMC and Ultra are on different dates so guess what? Ultra is a big fat RAVE!

EDMgirl
EDMgirl

I'm sick of reading Dennis Romero's stance on this. It's obvious as day that he has a personal problem with Pasquale and/or the EDM scene. As was stated before me, I believe the rave topic should be re-assigned to an actual journalist, not this immature child.

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

EDMgirl:

Thanks. I'll run this up the flagpole in terms of reassignment. I'll let you know what the editors thing. (See my comment above re: Pasquale).

-Dennis

meh
meh

Its becoming increasingly clear that Dennis Romero has a personal vendetta against Pasquale and Insomniac Events. Being a so called, "dance music expert" who has lived in Southern CA his entire life its hard to believe that he doesn't know Pasquale on some level. Ultra is most certainly a "rave" by his standards and comparing EDC to Ultra is very much a fair comparrison. Again, more unsupported assumptions from this guy. Is Ultra "not a rave" because he assumes people don't do drugs there and does he really believe that people dont do drugs there? (because obviously no one does drugs in the daytime)What I don't get is why this self proclaimed "dance music expert" is trying so vehemently to destroy this once dying music scene.

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

meh:

I like how people who are unhappy with the facts blame the messenger.

I have met and interviewed Pasquale before. I even remember he was a principal in a rave club (which became Vanguard) where I documented some pretty blatant ecstasy salesmanship back in 2003.

I have nothing personal against him. I'm a soldier in what I do, and that's telling the truth. If I had some other role in life, I would probably be just as much a solider on his side. But that's my job as it stands.

In fact, I'm pretty impressed by the level of professionalism and slickness Pasquale's crew brought to the table. I don't think I would have imagined seeing a rave promoter sitting at a table with cops and fire department officials (not to mention the politicians) on his side 20 or even 10 years ago.

I'm not trying to "destroy this once dying music scene" (when was it dying?).

I'm just trying to get the facts out. The way this game works is the politicians who approved raves have to bend the truth in order to make it palatable to their constituents. It's my job to say, hey, if you're going to go thumbs up on this, at least put the truth on the table. Over-beveraged? Raves are like mainstream concerts. Overdoses at these are just like the amount of hospitalization seen during a marathon or Papal visit? Really? That's what you have to swallow to vote for this.

Because I've been covering the scene so long, I know better. Now hopefully readers do to.

If, after absorbing the truth you're still gung ho for this, so be it. That's democracy. That's America. Democracy and America, however, is not demonizing the guy who says, hey, wait a second, this isn't about the over-beveraged, this isn't like a marathon.

Got it? Good.

-Dennis

Lsdisco
Lsdisco

Overdoses at these are just like the amount of hospitalization seen during a marathon or Papal visit? Really?

                                                      Are they? What are the numbers? You can't say "well, the numbers are the same but they don't count".  I'd like to see the numbers, ie the truth

dennis the menace
dennis the menace

marathons consist of people running for hours. festivals consist of people dancing for hours. many deaths share similar causes rooted in hydration. three runners died in a half-marathon in detroit, but does anyone talk about ending the practice? a marathoner in los angeles went into cardiac arrest, yet he made a mature decision to be in a risky position. treat people like adults

sickofevenmorebullshit
sickofevenmorebullshit

ITS ERIC CARTMEN IRL! any attack on his credibility is followed by an attack on YOUR credibility. I live in Vegas and I stumbled across this, jesus dennis you need to Go to Fox News right now. If you reported news in my town I would facepalm so hard my nose would be shoved down by body into my rectum.Thats where your head is too, up your own ass."I am a solidier in what I do, and that is telling the truth."

20 bucks says this guy smokes weed, that pineapple kush then calls the cops on his nieghbors for growing for shits n gigs.

You are no where close to a legitimate journalist.

mar
mar

Just accept that you are making unreasonable generalizations based on some strange hatred of rave culture and YES PUTTING YOUR INFLAMMATORY OPINION INTO AN ARTICLE IS YELLOW JOURNALISM. Everybody else knows you just want to enjoy some kind of power, why don't YOU realize it? Just op one and calm the eff down.

ALSO Sasha's mom suing is a joke. Her minor child came up on $200+ dollars to go to a 2-day festival that she didn't know about? Even with the violation of public safety laws there's no goddamn premises liability when it's a minor. DAMN.

again
again

Oh brother. Good job truth soldier, Pasquale used to work for Qtopia and Vanguard and because you have interviewed him before that obviously means you don’t have a chip on your shoulder or anything personal against him. You added the part about “ecstasy salesmanship” at the “rave club” because that was pertinent information. You’re impressed by his crew’s “slickness” Got it. And yeah I’ll blame the messenger when the messenger is being misleading. “The body didn't even discuss the fact that, even after strict age guidelines and procedures were implemented, the Together As One party last month saw IDs go unchecked.”Talk about half truths. The fact is they were not checking the IDs of those who looked well over 18 or 21 years of age, a policy that is not only legal but is practiced at most (if not all) bars, liquor stores, and grocery stores in CA. I love how the “messenger” left that part out.

Dennis needs to go
Dennis needs to go

Dennis, it is clear that even though you have been news reporting for 10 years on what you believe to be this music scene, you might as well be as far removed as a 90 year old in a convalescent home. Your facts are inaccurate and you are clearly and maliciously blasphemitizing this particular promoter and music festival. I challenge you to actually be a REAL reporter and attend every one of the events you have mentioned here. I challenge you!! Then write your article in a year. You might come from a place of PLUR - Peace, Love, Unity, Respect (all of which you have never mentioned comes from your so called "Rave" scene). That is what these music festivals are about.

Le Liu
Le Liu

Wow that is a very interesting quote from Sasha's mom, granted that she is suing the Commission for her daughter's death and has been blaming raves ever since it happened. Maybe she sees things differently now?

- Le

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

Yeah, she really said that.

I think that she supports making them safer and strictly 18+. I don't think her comments would change her lawsuit, which argues that Sasha shouldn't have been let in, or that they would change her claims that it took too long to get Rodriguez to a hospital. But you'd have to ask her.

Big Mike
Big Mike

Didn't Sasha's mom know she was going to this event? Didn't her mom even buy her ticket?

FAIRREPORTINGPLEASE!
FAIRREPORTINGPLEASE!

WRITE LETTERS TO THE EDITOR TO TAKE DENNIS ROMERO OFF RAVE RELATED STORIES!!

Dennis Needs a New Job
Dennis Needs a New Job

Seriously, he makes opinions and judgments like they are fact and has absolutely no merit to even stand by his words. This is a complete lack of unprofessional journalism. Do your homework Dennis!

Eric Y
Eric Y

Ultra has traditionally been a day party during the dance industry retreat known as the Winter Music Conference. Sure, people party there. But a rave it's not.

Ultra music festival is more so a rave than anything else. If a collection of all the electronic artists around the world. The only difference is that UMF is bigger. It would be stupid to not call ultra a rave by your standards.The Bonaroo festival is an equally large festival for rock music has suffered many deaths in the past, but los angeles is blinded by the word "Rave". I think raves stopped happening a long time ago, and we need a term. The term itself disgusts me, but you have to understand that whats happening here is more than a movement, its a public shift in interest.

Tomd22
Tomd22

Dennis Romero, you are a tool. Relying on a lying sociopath like Marcus Gaede for information only shows what a sensationalist idiot you are. The LA Times Blogs have been practicing yellow journalism. One second Dennis Romero is a proponent of dance music culture and the next he tries to destroy it. Don't believe anything written by Dennis Romero or Ron Lin.. they are only trying to please their bosses and not get fired from a dying company.. the LA Times/Chicago Tribune company is on the verge of bankruptcy and i guess a job is more important than fair reporting.

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

Tomd22:

Thanks!

BTW, the Tribune already declared bankruptcy. A few years ago. I should know: They owe me money.

Take care,Dennis

Shaunluu88
Shaunluu88

I've met people that have never been to an electronic show or "rave" and have tried ecstasy and on the same note, I've met people at "raves" that aren't on or even do any illegal drugs. It's not the promoter or the music or even the city's fault for all these mishaps, it is only the faults of the individuals who don't know what they are doing and think that taking 4 or 5 pills of ecstasy or do line after line of cocaine is the "cool" thing to do. You can penalize the entire electronic community because of individual mistakes. It's just not cool.

Old Enough To Know Better
Old Enough To Know Better

I'd like to know what about this event makes it a rave compared to the events in Miami or Detroit.

Furthermore, shutting down a music event because someone overdosed on drugs or even shutting one down because people have a history of overdosing at them is ridiculous. Is the problem the event or the drug use? There is music culture and drug culture and while the two often intermingle, they are not the same thing. If I go to an event like this, it's not to load up on drugs, it's for the music. While I feel for the parents and families that have lost children and siblings, is it the promoter's fault that the individual who overdosed took drugs?

While events like these may be the first place someone tries a drug like ecstasy a house party can provide the same opportunity. So can a boring Friday night at home with friends. Illegal drug MIS-use creates overdoses. Not music or music events. Learn how to better police the event and stop blaming a promoter for the irresponsibility of event-goers.

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

Old Enough:

Hi. I tried to explain the difference a little. Ultra is a day party, for one, and secondly it started as a showcase of acts that happened to be in town for WMC. DEMF is a celebration of techno music and is also more of a day party.

Also, EDC started out as a rave, and its promoter started out as a rave promoter. What's more, you have to ask, in terms of raves, the role of ecstasy in attracting people to events. Is this an occasion to do drugs; are most of the people on ecstasy? I talked to people who answer yes to both questions. It's not a DJ showcase, it's not a celebration of a particular facet of L.A. music history. It's an occasion to "party."

Sober Raver
Sober Raver

EDC is a day party too, Mr. Romero. Started @ 2 pm, ended @ 2 am. During the beginning of the summer, the sun doesn't set till 8:00 or so. So you have a good portion of the party taking place in the day.

rave247
rave247

I think all electronic events should be held at night or maybe start an hour or 2 before the sun goes down.

There For The Music
There For The Music

You are obviously asking the wrong people then. Please take your head out of your ass Romero, you are the most biased hypocrite I've ever seen to be taken seriously as a news reporter.

Old Enough To Know Better
Old Enough To Know Better

Dennis,

What the heck about going on during the day makes a difference as to whether a party is a rave or not? Is your definition of a rave strictly reserved to parties that include the presence of the moon? If every element is equal except for the hours of operation, I think you're kidding yourself.

What you've made apparent is that you know little about what constitutes a rave at all. I'm from Chicago, now living in LA. I was around for the original "warehouse" parties that spawned "House" music in the first place. I was running with the crews that were breaking into actual abandoned warehouses to have events. With map points, and no directions until you called an answering machine at 10:01 the night of. If that isn't an attempt at celebrating the form of music you love, then I don't know what is. And yet, we were called "rave" promoters.

The fact of the matter is that any music-based event is a celebration of music, be it a Carrie Underwood concert at the Nokia or a 25 DJ event at the State Palace Theatre in New Orleans.

I have to ask what the role of ecstasy is in attracting people to events? The answer is LITTLE. An event like EDC happens once a year. Over 2 days. That's a long time to wait to be drawn in for ecstasy. You might get the person or two who's waiting until an event like that to try it, but more often than not, if you're going to EDC and taking ecstasy, neither the music, nor the drug is unfamiliar to you.

The point is not how raves or day parties or "celebrations of techno music" compare to papal visits or Beiber concerts. It's how to encourage safety at any events for the public without getting into the rhetoric that music makes people take drugs or a particular music celebration ONLY exists for drug users.

lols
lols

fucking owned dennis.

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