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Overdose Victims at Next Electric Daisy Carnival Rave Will be Held On-Site and Kept Away From L.A. Emergency Rooms

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Does this guy need to visit the emergency room? Is he 'over-beveraged?' A scene at Electric Daisy Carvinal 2008, posted at the website Ravelinks.
One of the scarier aspects of public officials' attempts to whitewash some of the seedier facets of raves (young people passed out, overdosing and in need of physicians' care) was the revelation this week that at the next Electric Daisy Carnival party ODing partygoers will essentially be kept on-site instead of being sent to hospitals.

That's right. According to plans for the two-day event in June organizers will staff up with emergency room physicians in order to keep overdose victims in a medical tent at the venue.

Dr. Jeff Grange, who testified for the promoter at Wednesday's L.A. Coliseum Commision meeting, said the move would "prevent the unnecessary transports" to hospitals.

But here's the real politics behind this:

The four-times-per-year megaraves that happen at the publicly owned venues the commission controls -- the Coliseum, where EDC is planned again, and the Sports Arena -- regularly report shocking numbers of "transports" to area emergency rooms.

So much so that E.R. doctors say they get overwhelmed with ecstasy overdose victims.

This move would put a lid on those numbers and the associated bad press. In theory.

The last big party, the Sports Arena's Together As One on New Year's Eve, reported 17 transports to E.R.s.

The numbers don't look good in the media, and critics have pointed to them to argue that raves are inherently and predictably dangerous drug parties that shouldn't be sanctioned on public property.

Grange argues that it's safer to treat victims immediately and on-site -- and this addresses local emergency rooms being flooded with patients. But it also sweeps those numbers under the rug.

And it brings on some interesting quandaries: What if a patient should be at a hospital? If she's incapacitated, how will on-site personnel know her wishes? Should ravers wear MedicAlert bracelets indicating their preference to be taken to a hospital should they O.D?

In fact, in a couple of noteworthy deaths at raves, family members and witnesses have said one of the factors in those tragedies was that party personnel did not send the victims to the hospital fast enough.

In the case of 20-year-old Michelle Yuenshan Lee, who died of an ecstasy overdose after attending the Monster Massive rave at the Sports Arena in 2007, witness Marcus Gaede said it took more than an hour to get her to a hospital.

He claims one factor is that staffers, once they realized the situation was critical, took back routes to get her out of the venue in order to conceal her condition from other partygoers.

The mother of 15-year-old Sasha Rodriguez, Grace Rodriguez, made a similar claim to the Weekly about her daughter's ecstasy-overdose death following her attendance at Electric Daisy Carnival last year.

"It took 20 minutes to get to my daughter," she said Wednesday, "and 20 minutes to get her out."

Grange touted "mini ambulances," essentially golf carts and ATVs, that he said would bring the "over beveraged" to a medical tent.

Under EDC's new plans it looks like some victims might not ever get out.

"We'll watch them," Grange said. " ... If they completely sober up we'll discharge them."

Sounds a little like an overdose prison to us.

Dr. Brian Johnston, head of the E.R. at White Memorial Hospital in Boyle Heights, which has certainly seen its share of ravers as a result of the megaves at the Coliseum and Sports Arena, seemed appalled by the strategy to keep patients away from hospitals (and out of the headlines).

"I think it's very questionable -- the idea of treating them in something less than a full service E.R.," he told the Weekly. "The basic question here is patient autonomy."

"You could be dealing with a number of very serious problems," he said. "Particularly with people taking ecstasy, you could have significant rhythm disturbances, seizures, hypothermia, and psychotic reactions."

"These are very difficult patients to take care of," Johnston says.

Sounds like the Coliseum Commission agrees, though, that the chaos of 150,000 people, many on drugs, is the best place to treat overdose victims.

"They need to be going to a fully capable facility," Johnston said.

But hey, those "transports" that make headlines -- they'll certainly go down. Let's just hope nobody dies "on-site."


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Informed Individual
Informed Individual

Practice Responsible Behavior, Stay Within Your Limits. No one is forcing anybody to do anything that occurs at raves.

Everyone is there on THEIR OWN accord, paying THEIR OWN money to enjoy THEMSELVES how THEY want to. No one is force fed ecstasy at raves. YOU use YOUR money to buy YOUR own pills, put them in YOUR mouth with YOUR hand. YOU know the effects it will have on YOUR body. YOU know Ecstasy use can lead YOUR body to experience adverse effects.

The key word here is obvious. It boils down to each adult individual's decision, well informed of the consequences of their decision. The only inherently dangerous thing here is the behavior of reckless individuals. It is unfair to detract from the good times of the responsible majority.

An individual who decides to take Ecstasy is only harming their own body and no one else's. Please mind your own business. What you do for pleasure on your own time is your own business.

isthislegal?
isthislegal?

can i sue him for using my picture on the basis of slandering me as a drug overdose victim when it was not true? he refuses to take my photo off on the basis that i was in a public place, but is he allowed to use it in such a derogatory fashion completely out of context?

isthislegal?
isthislegal?

over the phone i asked how you would feel if you were in my situation..you responded by saying read my work so...i read some of your work, but honestly i found better reporting in the commentary section. I'm not a reporter or even a writer but i do have some advice for you. When reporting on a storydon't have the message you want to send already in mind before you do your research.This sort of "reporting" reflects low quality work as it usually results in misused information and bias.

Your work seems as tho you start by writing the TITLE IN CATCHY WORDS then move onto the storyrelating each piece of evidence relevant or not to the message you want to portray.

its just my opinion that a real reporter starts with the facts and logically builds upon that to create a convincingarticle rather than making exaggerated assumptions to match your CATCHY TITLE.

at my question " do you know what an overdose victim looks like?aren't they usually seizureing , unconscious, and vomiting?"

you responded "how would you know?"and i said "how would you?"

but in your death, money, and megaraves story you include commentaryon an observer of an overdosing victim. Marcus gaede surprisingly enough!the same guy that gave you my photo to use as a possible overdosing transport victim.

"Her mouth was, like, wired shut and she was, like, choking on the water. She was going to drown. ... As the drugs kept taking more effect, she started having seizures."

so you do know what an overdosing victim would look like!you must have i mean you reported it in your opinions blog from 2 months ago.

my question is then why would you use my photo to represent that?was it because i was getting up from a bush? because i looked young?a picture you could force to represent false transport to a medical tent prison?maybe you wanted to make that bush represent the medical tent prison so your story becomes more believable?maybe you lack the intelligence to do any real reporting?maybe your mom smoked crack when she was pregnant with you?

you see how far from the truth you can go if you put question marks like in the caption of my photo?

oh and its fine you refuse to give me the photographers contact infoi'm sure i can find it on my own, you say i'm asking to much of you to give me an apologyand that you did me a solid by taking my picture off, so putting my picture upwould be what? a liquid?

i also believe it was not only the goodness of your heart as it was your editor whom i called personallyperhaps my comment on the blog, or maybe some of my reasoning got through to you. who knows?

i spent all this time reading your work writing you this message in hopes thatyou see the value in good reporting, and the downfall of careless uninspired opinions resulting infalsely ruining peoples reputations as well as making you look rEtarded in the comments section.

Namaste1b
Namaste1b

Perhaps this effort has not been made to "hide" transport numbers. Perhaps it is to provide attention to those in need SOONER than an ambulance ride could afford in those dire situations. In the Monster Massive example from '07 listed above, perhaps the woman would have survived had she had treatment on site, sooner, instead of having to endure the length described by the witness. why is providing medical care sooner being viewed as sinister?

KT
KT

Dennis Romero loves to say "dispute the facts" to his many detractors, but continually fails to address the fact that he's not a reporter, he's an editorializer--and an amateurish one at that. It's the way "the facts" are presented--with bias, alarmist language, illogic, and general all-around stupidity. The fact that he doesn't seem to understand that he's an editorializer and not a reporter concerns me--what "journalist" doesn't know the difference?

Ronb641
Ronb641

man i agree with cm a lot. mr. romero, u simply jus dont state whats going on, you make smart ass remarks and you do make assumptions and say" just wondering". (even though that part wasnt in the cover story.)but thats not relating a story to us. thats making things up to me. but again, at times you have a sarcasm to your reporting. and it seems a lot of people dont like it. does all the la weekly reporters get this much shit talked about them?

Raver2011
Raver2011

From my understanding this new company that is supplying this medical care has been doing large events for several years. I'm sure as a reporter you have done your research. Do you have any evidence to show that they have been in litigation or have had deaths at any venue that they cover this way. It is obvious by the deaths mentioned in your article that who ever was in charge of medical was unable to do it right. I now it was L.A. City Fire Dept but they seem to escape any bad press huh.

Los Angeles Fire Department
Los Angeles Fire Department

Raver2011,

Your allegation of improper care by LAFD personnel is both hurtful and without merit - but don't take our word for it. Ask event organizers (at any level), the attending 'event' medical staff, the receiving hospital staff - or the Coroner. We welcome the results of your independent factfinding.

Until you prove otherwise, there is no basis whatsoever for you or anyone to believe much less stae that our agency caused the demise of any participant.

Respectfully Yours in Safety and Service,

Brian HumphreyFirefighter/SpecialistPublic Service OfficerLos Angeles Fire Department

Raver2011
Raver2011

Mr. Humphreys let me start by saying that the wording in my post was not structured right and I DID NOT mean that the L.A. Fire Dept was responsible for these deaths. I apologize for that. What I meant was that these deaths occurred while the L.A. Fire Dept was in charge of medical oversite for these events. True? It has been in the press quite a bit in regards to L.A. Cities dislike of the use of this outside company and the higher level of care that they bring with them for example Doctors and Nurses. And by thinking that this isn't appropriate for these events and that it will change nothing in regards to ER saturation and the overall better medical coverage for such a large event is ridiculous.

Something to think of Sir. Could these nurses and physicians had made a difference in the outcome of these deaths? We really don't know the answer to that do we? But wouldn't it be better to not even be able to ask the question?

CM
CM

In response to Dennis' question, "Would I want a loved one who OD’d to be trapped in a tent? "No, I'd rather my loved one didn't OD at all but that’s just me. An argument for personal responsibility should be made here. We are talking about people who go to these parties and act irresponsibly not innocent victims. But for the sake of argument, if I did have a loved one who was injured or incapacitated in some way I would want them to get medical attention as soon as possible. I don’t think I would want them to be needlessly taken away in an ambulance only to be stuck on a crowded street only to end up in an overcrowded emergency room. If there injury was so severe that they need to be admitted to a hospital I would hope the medical staff on site would use common sense and send them to the hospital and you have provided no evidence to the fact that this will not be the case.

Spank05
Spank05

I like all of the people complaining about the bias of this article, yet not a single one of them refutes a single one of the of facts presented.

You guys seriously need to grow up and join the adult world. You sound childish when you complain without addressing facts. I know you all lived through the Bush administration, but you don't have to take after his example.

CM
CM

What facts were presented, exactly? The problem with this “article” is that the writer’s bias is preventing him from reporting all the facts. In response to a comment I left he writes, “The evidence is that the promoter's expert doctor said they would be reducing "transports" and treating overdoses (he called them the "over beveraged," I kid you not) on-site.” Dennis Romero is misquoting his own, and I use this term loosely, “article.” In the actual article he quotes the Dr., out of context, and paraphrases his statement “said the move would "prevent the unnecessary transports" to hospitals.” The Dr. specifically says “unnecessary transports” The point of his article is to imply that the Coliseum and Insomniac are trying to prevent bad press at the expense of the people at the party. The “facts” he presents to support that are bits and pieces of statements and eyewitness accounts of other “partygoers” Everyone cited in this article state that they are reducing the number of transports to the ER, not stopping them completely. Yet he writes,“ODing partygoers will essentially be kept on-site instead of being sent to hospitals.”“organizers will staff up with emergency room physicians in order to keep overdose victims in a medical tent at the venue.”“Sounds a little like an overdose prison to us.”

Where are the facts supporting this? In another response to what I wrote Dennis says, “what the promoter's expert said was that patients would be kept on-site.” Where? He never quoted anyone as saying that. He quote’s the Dr. as saying " ... If they completely sober up we'll discharge them." Nowhere does it say that they will not take them to the hospital or allow them to be taken to the hospital. The fact is they are being required to have on site medical personnel at the event. A measure that they already took at the New Year’s Eve party that was held at the Sports Arena, that measure reduced the number of transports from 34 to 17 but did not stop them completely. So, please, tell us exactly what facts you are basing your assumption that they will not be allowing ODing partygoers to be transported to a hospital on? He still provides no evidence to support his accusations that they are taking these measures to avoid bad press. He is stating the fact that they are going to have on-site medical staff and using his bias to assume that they are doing this to avoid bad press.

Observer
Observer

You might not have noticed that most people here aren't arguing about the facts, but the author's conclusions and commentary about them. Fact: More doctors on site. Opinion: "...the real politics behind this..." This opinion and all the other ways the facts are interpretted for us are the points of contention, and they really do make this more of a blog or editorial.

KP
KP

I am glad to see this article. I follow the news on raves because I grew up going to raves, but find it very troubling when people die at raves. I have a niece and nephew and would be devastated if they OD'd at a rave and died.

I do think that having a medical tent on-site is a very good idea. I have been with a person who have OD'd at a party and she passed out for several minutes. We were terrified and there was nothing we could do and everyone was scared to call an ambulance. She came to and was okay, fortunately. A med tent would be very useful for non-critical OD's. That happens quite frequently from what I understand. However, if the patient is critical and not regaining consciousness, then these people should be transferred to a hospital. We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

That said, there is so much money involved in these mega-raves, it seems logical that the promoters would welcome a way to reduce the bad press. If there is another underage death at EDC this year, I just can't see anyone justifying the continuation of these events.

P-Dat
P-Dat

So a young, sensational reporter on his way to TMZ fame has more credibility than Dr. Grange....puuuuuuleeeeeeeezzz.

ABC
ABC

Dennis Romero needs to get off the rumor mill and on the treadmill...

Strumpling
Strumpling

Dennis you can't wait for somebody to die on-site.

Partymonsterc
Partymonsterc

Seriously Romero, you have to use your brain when you're writing these reviews. 1. you're using pictures as old as 2007! Come on get current. 2. Are you kidding me, what heck do you want ANYONE to do to get any irresponsible drug user out of a place with THOUSANDS of people. Have you been there? Have you seen video? Pictures?? Why don't you give Insomniac the credit they deserve for making these events as safe as they CAN be. People OD, over intoxicate themselves, get shot, stabbed, etc at other concerts so why are you picking on raves. You hate electronic music?? Maybe you don't know this, but raves have been going on since at least the late 80's early 90's and with no one like Insomniac around, well I can only hope you could imagine what it was like. Thanks to people like you, these events may go underground again and YOU will be responsible for the exponential deaths that would occur. So again, STOP with your reports. Please.

MichaelM
MichaelM

Stop trying to create a future excuse as to how the numbers will turn out at EDC 2011.

Boonyard
Boonyard

The headline is misleading. I think the intent here is to have a larger body of pro ER doctors and nurses that are well versed in the types of problems they will be facing directly on hand.

Perhaps, in the past, the inability to get to a doctor in short order may have contributed to fatalities. Hopefully, by having more pro folks on hand at the facility, they can better asses the patients and see who needs to go to the hospital and who needs to chill out.

20 years ago, raves were called "Dead Shows" and I saved a guy's butt by alerting the security guys immediately when I saw him doing the kickin' chickin'. They had him out of there within 5 minutes in a calm, collected manner. This was in a huge stadium. Perhaps they should bump up on security with an eye on getting people to the chillout tent ASAP where doctors can begin assessing their situation.

Maybe another good thing to do is educate folks on how to look out for each other, stay hydrated, and meter your intake of dangerous substances. These events can be great fun, and a wonderful cultural and spiritual happening for our youth. You won't avoid every bad thing, but you can provide better vigilance and help.

PlurFace:-)
PlurFace:-)

i like the fact that there will be less people at the event... more floor space to roll balls.

MORE FLOOR, MORE PLUR!

PSoh yeah, and more room for dancing.

El Fweido
El Fweido

Here's a crazy idea. Don't take drugs if you can't hang! And if you do, you suffer the consequences. why is your stupidity the city's, the taxpayer's responsibility. Sounds like darwinism in action. Pendejos will fall by they wayside, while the fittest will thrive. Spin those glowsticks in afterlife idiots!

A-raver
A-raver

When is LA Weekly going to take Dennis Romero off rave related stories? Are you not reading the numerous comments and letters to the editor? This writer has a bias. Pay attention!

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

A-raver:

Just because you don't like the message doesn't mean you have to blame the messenger.

If you have any issue with the facts I present bring it on.

I'd be happy to correct the record if need be. Seriously.

-Dennis

CM
CM

Ok. Dennis, "A-Raver" has a point. Everything I've read from you is extremely biased. You aren't only presenting facts you are also making assumptions. To be fair, this isn't an article this is a blog post, you are not a reporter. And just to clarify, you are using the argument that it takes too long to get these people to the hospital as your argument against on-site medical care?? "Let's just hope nobody dies "on-site."" Yes, let's. There's obviously a bit of sarcasm behind that statement. It seems like you just can't wait to be proven right and that is a shame. -CM

Raver2011
Raver2011

Dennis these are emergency room physicians aren't they. So you feel that these MD are in the business or jeopardizing there lively hoods and family and careers to keep someone they have never met out of a ER for a statistic. Sounds a little far fetched to me.

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

CM:

I am a reporter.

I'm not making an argument against on-site care, but what the promoter's expert said was that patients would be kept on-site. If someone truly needs an E.R., that sounds scary to me.

-Dennis

Annoyed
Annoyed

Just like the Weekly - the event organizers decide to hire more doctors, and the Weekly plays it as though the organizers are trying to hurt the kids. Everything is an evil conspiracy in this paper. I'm old enough to remember when I could read the LA Weekly to find out what what really going on in this city. Now I read it just to find out what the wingnuts are talking about these days. Hey Mr. Romero - why don't you go looking for Obama's birth certificate and leave these kids and their (now safer) parties alone.

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

Annoyed:

I don't think they're trying to "hurt the kids," but the evidence suggests they certainly might be trying to hide them.

-Dennis

CM
CM

What evidence exactly? The fact that they are bringing in on-site medical staff is not evidence that they are hiding something. Your "evidence" is an account from another partygoer made assumptions about what happened. Did it occur to you that they, "took back routes to get her out of the venue..." because that was the safer alernative to walking her through a crowd of thousands? It seems that the promoter is doing everything is his power to prevent injury and death. I wonder if you would be able to offer a solution other than putting the promoter out of business. Its seems he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

CM:

The evidence is that the promoter's expert doctor said they would be reducing "transports" and treating overdoses (he called them the "over beveraged," I kid you not) on-site.

I'm not making assumptions about what happened. I talked to an eyewitness. No one, including the promoter, is refuting that account that I know of.

I'm not sure what the safer route was -- I wasn't there -- but an hour seems like a long time to get someone who's dying to a hospital when you're on public property with cops and medical personnel around, innit?

In this case the promoter might be trying to prevent injury -- in fact I have no doubt the promoter would love to see zero injuries, why not? -- but it appears here that reducing transparency and bad press is also an aim, no?

Would you want a loved one who O.D.'d to be trapped in a tent so that one less "transport" could be recorded or taken to the nearest E.R. ASAP and bad press be damned?

Just wondering.

Take care,Dennis

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