Latino Dodgers Fans Who Beat Down S.F. Fan Bryan Stow Committed a Hate Crime?

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John and Ken.
Was it a hate crime?

As the Dodgers head north to do battle with the Giants today, it's an assertion being made by John Kobylt of L.A. station KFI-AM 640's The John and Ken Show. He's talking, of course, about the opening-day beating of Santa Cruz paramedic and San Francisco fan Bryan Stow by a pair of thugs in Dodgers garb.

Stow remains in a coma at County-USC Medical Center. While the rest of the world was chalking this up to the worst kind of hooliganism, Kobylt says ...

... because these suspects appeared to be Latino, and the victim is white, that this is a hate crime.

That prompted Gustavo Arellano of sister paper OC Weekly to go off on Kobylt (ballsy, because Arellano used to be a regular commentator at KFI):

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These guys.

Other stupid Dodgers fans have assaulted Latino Giants fans in the past--is that now a hate crime?

But that Kobylt is already screaming "hate crime" shows how stupid and truly bigoted he is. Did he categorize the takedown of Kansas City Royals coach Tom Gamboa by two white Chicago White Sox fans as a hate crime? Of course not, because it wasn't, nor have I ever heard anyone allege that race played any factor. Same with a 2007 incident when a Latino Angels fan threw a water bottle at then-Oakland A's player Mike Piazza. No one brought up race in speculating about the fan's motive, because there was no conversation to be had. Sports, unfortunately, attract boors of all races--but in the Kobylt world, only Mexican sports fans are capable of mayhem. Moron.

Calling this a hate crime is assuming a lot, too:

-That these idiots knew the guy was white (Latinos come in all colors and, for all they knew, he could have been Latino or mixed).
-That the suspects are indeed Latino (that's the description, but you never know: Latino is, technically, not a look).
-That Latinos aren't white (technically, anthropologically speaking, we are).

Discuss.

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Walking Eagle
Walking Eagle

i live in sacramento. and i think anybody should be able to apply for citizenship, and enjoy what good things america has to offer. that being said, i have Mexican/American neighbors who have been good to me when i was sick, and have become friends, they must be racist too. i say that because they are as disturbed as i am about the influx of Mexicans that have flooded into our formerly quiet and peaceful neighborhood. they are obnoxiously loud at ALL hours (ignoring polite request to turn down  their sub-woofer powered car and home stereos) there are beer cans in our yards from the adults, food and candy rappers from the kids, and that's just the beginning  there is not enough room here to cover the activities that we have observed from our new neighbors. they have a nice little cell phone network, that warns everyone when the police are approaching....suddenly the music is quiet and everyone is indoors. does it matter that they are illegals who are not required to show one lousy piece of documentation, much less abide by our legal system, which they laugh at ?.... it matters to those of us who have been trying to sell our homes and find a safer quieter place to live because the cops tell us their hands are tied. do you think that makes us Racist ? i am a proud liberal who voted for Governor Brown, for better or worse (oi ! )  so i could care less what judgmental *?#%^&! like yourself think. i would LOVE to have some Canadian or European immigrants (we have allot of Russians here, who DO respect their Neighbors). i'm not going to call you stupid, i don't know you well enough to make that judgement, but as a Citizen of the U.S.A. (i'm white, of Irish descent, born in Pakistan... how do you like that ?) I'M SICK OF THIS Garbage AND SICK of people who want to blindly throw out the welcome mat, no Screening required.....  at the expense of EVERYBODY ELSE.... that being said, i hope you have a really great day..... Peace !

Budget4door
Budget4door

Dirtbag mexicans. you people are parasites and rodents. You feed off of free stuff and rape our kids and wifes then claim were racist. GO FUCK YOURSELF. One more thing you guys will not fight by your selves. Always got to have your homie (bean) by your side. I have mexican friends that say they hate being mexican because of you cowards. Suck it.

Garm
Garm

i think every body knows that spanish neighborhoods are crime ridden and full of low lifes.latinos have no values or morals they are all parasties they ruin our neighborhoods they are violent racist the worst of the worst .does a white person ever want to live in a spanish neighborhood?

Backwards710
Backwards710

Crime is crime and the motive shouldn't hold any sway. An assualt on a White by a Latino is no less severe than an assault on a White by a White or a Latino by a Latino, and so on. Treating a crime differently because of the ethnicity of either the victem or the assailant is racist. When are people going to wake up and realize racism, and discrimination, is perpetual.

Vete
Vete

Why don't John and Ken just admit they're Giants fans and reveal their real feelings about the Dodgers?

Arthur Comarthur
Arthur Comarthur

Aren't those two guys in Training Day? That scene where those cholos ask Ethan Hawke if he's ever had his shit pushed in ?

Rthandspec
Rthandspec

This is outrageous. I wouldn't goto a Dodger game now. What cowards, kinda like the Alqueda. What pos the Dodger fans r to sit by and take part in this bullying.

Shame on the owners, players, LAPD, the DA and the spineless fans.

Proud_italian_american
Proud_italian_american

Thanks, William Gallegos, for telling it like it is. Sticking up for someone who committed a crime just because they're part of your race or heritage is appalling ("Dennis Romero and Gustavo Arellano...two of the many idiot latinos out there who will bend over backwards in order to stick up for the worst of the worst latinos"). That would be like me condoning the likes of Tony Soprano just because he's Italian. And, just a message to all the others boorish simpletons who are posting pretty racist remarks, don't classify a whole group of people because of the small minority who do stupid things. Most likely the thugs who beat Brian Stow into a coma were Latino gang bangers, but it should not be a reflection on all the law-abiding Hispanics who attend Dodger games.

Williamgallegos
Williamgallegos

Dennis Romero and Gustavo Arellano are just two of the many idiot latinos out there who will bend over backwards in order to stick up for the worst of the worst latinos. Remember....this was the same Dennis Romero was once did a story that glamourized the poetic talents of a latino gangbanger involved in the murder of a university-bound, high school student, trying to break up a fight involving the poet gangbanger and his homies, who crashed the party. If u are an intelligent latino (unlike Mr Romero and Arellano), google "the stupidity of idiot latino sports fans" and read the truth on the many latino sports fans that put a dark cloud over our proud race.

charles
charles

Growing up in so cal, I've had numerous latino friends and for the most part met a lot of good people. But I think most agree that the "bad apples" in the latino community are the main cause of most of the bad reputation LA sports fans get. A number of Dodgers fans are turning away slowly due to this. I don't understand why they have to be so violent... even when we win championships.

duh...winning
duh...winning

bring on the race war bitches

Poor98r1
Poor98r1

Amen I'm ready. Bring it you parasites. You will lose if you come to my house!

Tytryyuuity87
Tytryyuuity87

you all are going to hell so its a moot point

RICHARD
RICHARD

JOHN AND KEN ARE HOMOS...JUST TRYING TO STIR UP FOR RATINGS.....THERE COULDN'T BE TWO MORE DORKIER MOTHERFUCKERS.....KEEP ON TRUCKING WEENIE LICKERS!!

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Bmsander49
Bmsander49

I'm not sure I would categorize this as a hate crime, but I'm sure they knew he was white. I'm also pretty sure if he were a latino man in his 40's those young guys would not have assaulted him. I'm not saying they did it because he is white, just that they probably would not have done it if he was latino. I have been to a lot of Dodgers games and more often than not I see some of these punk gang-bangers starting fights with people (mostly wearing the opposing teams gear). These people don't really care about baseball it's just an excuse to start trouble. Preach on Donn!!!

RICHARD
RICHARD

THE ONLY WAY THIS WAS A HATE CRIME LIL BITCH IS THAT THEY BEAT THE FUCK OUT OF A GIANTS GAY BAY FAG!!!!! STOP TRYING TO GET THESE INBRED MOTHERFUCKERS ON BOARD.....WITH YOUR RACIST CALL TO ARMS.....IT WAS SIMPLE AS A DUMB FUCK TAUNTING OTHER DUMBFUCK DRUNKARDS WITH A GIANTS JERSEY ON OPENING DAY......YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!!!!

Alvaro
Alvaro

Richard I've been reading your posts and feel embarassed. I am also a Latino and Mexican-American, but I have an education and do not converse in an idiotic manner. There is no denying that there is xenophobia and racism nowadays against our people. However you are applauding what these two cowards did because he was a Giants fan. Im a Giants fan as well, I live in the Bay Area, but I also like the Dodgers, although I dont follow them as much, since I have family in the LA area and my abuelo was a Dodgers fan as well. There's absolutely no reason why I would ever want to beat up any of my relatives into a bloody pulp simply because they are fans of another team. Thus, what you say makes no sense whatsoever.

Its your idiocy, this territorial attitude that you and many other pathetic lowlifes within our community exhibit "you disrespecting me homes?!" "this is my town, my barrio!" that makes people think we are uneducated people and will amount to nothing. I suggest a few things for you1) Fix your Caps Lock button2) Read some books and practice your linguistics skills3) Go back to school and stop embarassing our raza

Hope this helps. Good luck.

Budget4door
Budget4door

I like you. I have mexican friends like you. And im white go figure.

Matt
Matt

As an Italian-American, I cringe when I see shows like Jersey Shore and the Sopranos. More than two thousand years of world-changing history and our heritage is reduced to the buffoon-like caricatures of Snooki Polizzi and Tony Soprano.

Likewise, all the law-abiding Latino fans who attend Dodger games should be publicly distancing themselves and their culture from the two Latino gangsters who attacked Brian Stow. And, just for the record, the thugs were Latino, shaved heads and wardrobe accouterments to boot. Witnesses also told police that these two vermin were shouting expletives in Spanish and English as they kicked Brian into unconsciousness. Instead though, Latino writers like Gustavo Arellano are throwing around the racist word as if Latino gang members aren't capable of a hate crime.

Now's as good a time as any for people like Arellano to be condemning what has happened at Dodger Stadium and not just condoning it because the thugs were Latino.

Srossi32601
Srossi32601

Ye another mindless drone quick to jump the gun and say that it was racism. Did you actually read the article? I mean, Gustavo Arellano is in no way condemning the actions of the attackers. Instead, the purpose of this article was to point out that it was not a hate crime, like John Kobylt stated it was. He's arguing that it was more of a random act of violence against a person wearing the opposing team's colors. Do you know what was said to Stow or what Stow said to the perpetrators or how the attacks culminated? I highly doubt you have that information.

Answer me this, if someone is able to speak Italian, does that necessarily mean they are Italian?

Matt
Matt

If I may mindlessly drone-on Frank, I never said it was a hate crime. I did suggest though that hate crimes are not exclusive to whites. And, to answer your question, the answer is no, just because someone is able to speak Italian does not make them Italian. Just as Latinos are not ethnically Spanish (i.e. European) simply because they speak Spanish, and I am not ethnically British because I speak English. All due respect Frank, even if the thugs who did this turn out to be Latinos, so what. Does that make all Latinos criminals. Sounds like you are overreacting.

Donn
Donn

Another whining lament by a filthy stinking wetback. Mexicans have ruined the quality of life all over southern California. The Dodger Stadium crime by these vermin is only the latest outrage. Mexicans have dumbed down schools, bankrupted hospitals and transformed nice white neighborhoods into filthy stinking Mexican slums. Deport them and if they don't go peacefully........

Mr. America
Mr. America

Damn dude, i didnt know racist bigots like you still existed! You sound like hitler.

mr. tolerant
mr. tolerant

Nothing more rascist than wetbacks, but thats their typical comeback when somebody points out that their illegal alien scum from the biggest shithole on the planet. 

Rim1515
Rim1515

U sorry piece of shit, know your history Mexicans we here first in this land..

mr. tolerant
mr. tolerant

Wetbacks were never first anywhere on anything. Wetbacks are parasites nothing more , how do you take pride in that you worthless pieces of shit?

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

Donn:

Thanks for your heartfelt reply. For the record, I wouldn't fit the technical definition of a wet back (I was born here, anchor not included), although I'm sure you have your own connotations.

-Dennis

Chicanoballer619
Chicanoballer619

wow you ignorant inbred if it were not for those Mexicans half of the stuff in this country won't be completed. keep off the computer and stop your stupidity.

Bnrhatr
Bnrhatr

Ignorant inbred the true definition of a wetback turd. Everything in this country would be completed and done better without wetback labor. How come all you hard workers cant fix your sewer of a country if your so industrious.Your filthy people are to lazy I think, you would rather come here to try to steal something rather than earn it. But then again how could a turd understand a concept like the truth.

mr. tolerant
mr. tolerant

Nothing is more inbred than wetbacks, why do you think all of you look alike , like turds. Fuck your people are stupid. 

Donn
Donn

Filthy stinking wet backs like you run away from your crap hole of a country to come to white America for the "American dream." Why have you vermin never created the "Mexican Dream" , separate and apart from the dream of most of you to get as far from your own crap hole of a country as you can. The lowest performing schools are Mexican dominated. Hardly surprising that people who can't figure out indoor plumbing have problems with written language and math.

Mr. tolerant
Mr. tolerant

Must be a wetback playing the race card. Keep it up beaner tell it to somebody who gives a taco. 

RICHARD
RICHARD

HEY DON YOUR A PUSSY TO START WITH....ITS JUST KILLING YOU LATINOS ARE SURROUNDING YOU AS WE SPEAK ACCORDING TO THE CENSUS...YOUVE GOT ABOUT 3 DECADES LEFT OF DOMINATION...KISS IT GOOD BYE BUDDY!!!!! ....KARMA IS GOING TO BRING YOU A MEXICAN GRANDCHILD YOU FUCKEN CRACKER!!!! 21% OF THE SOLDIERS FIGHTING FOR YOUR AMERICAN DREAM ARE LATINO, YOU IGNORANT INBRED MOTHERFUCKER.....BIG MAN BEHIND THE KEYBOARD....IF YOU GOT BALLS SAY THAT TO A MEXICANS FACE TOMMORROW...AND NOT A 60 YR OLD MAN....YOUR JUST A SECRET LIL SCARED WIMP ...JUST CRY YOURSELF TO SLEEP QUEER....

Thomas J. Coleman
Thomas J. Coleman

That's Donn the anonymous, gutless, racist, bigot, right? Looks like the only way we'll actually see you is inside a white sheet--much lke the grimacing visages of John and Ken at racist KKKFI (look at the fear in Ken's eyes, just look at the greed). Everything you say against Mexicans the Know Nothings said against the Irish. My Hibernian ancestors faced haters like you again and again, dealt with you and ultimately prevailed, didn't they? They became the NYPD, so go pound sand. See: Gangs of New York. Knowing as many as I do, I'm confident my San Patricio Compadres will "get the job done" as well.

Frank
Frank

Donn, before you tell anyone to learn English, please ensure that you can actually write proper English first. Also, it seems like you contribute to the "dumbed down schools" you are talking, since you do not appear to be a scholar yourself. Don't make yourself look like a fool, an ignorant fool at that!

Guest
Guest

Wow... the racism dripping from your posts is breathtaking. Pathetic

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