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Equality California Seeking Relevance With Prospect of Pro-Gay Marriage Ballot Measure?


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And so Equality California leaders came to West Hollywood yesterday, holding one of their town hall meetings to understand if ordinary gays and lesbians in California want to go back to the voting booth with a pro-gay marriage ballot measure in 2012.

There are many critics of such an expensive strategy -- such as bloggers Michael Petrelis and Patrick Connors -- but that hasn't stopped EQCA from appearing to seriously consider such an option, even though a federal lawsuit to overturn Proposition 8 is still working its way through the appeals system.

The whole thing seems more than a little ill-timed when you have a potentially landmark lawsuit on your hands that could positively impact the lives of gay Americans everywhere.

Why anyone would want to mess with that lawsuit in even the slightest way before it's over is beyond us. After all, a federal judge has already found Proposition 8 to be unconstitutional.

But there they were, Equality California stalwarts Jim Carroll, Andrea Shorter, and David Codell giving about 100 people inside the West Hollywood Park Auditorium all the data points and whatnot. EQCA's next executive director, Roland Palencia, was sitting in the audience.

Carroll said that a recent poll funded by EQCA showed that 45 percent of likely voters in California oppose allowing same-sex couples to legally marry. Another 45 percent were in favor. 10 percent were "unsure."

Is that good news?

Codell said that if the gay community thinks they can win in 2012, they should put a pro-gay marriage initiative on the ballot.

Several minutes later, he brought up the alarming fact that no voters in any state have approved a ballot measure that has given rights to gay folks.

Shorter said EQCA has been "reinvigorating" grassroots coalition building since Prop. 8 was passed in 2008, although many activists in California would dispute that claim -- read L.A. Weekly's cover story "Mission Drift at Gay Inc."

It should also be noted that EQCA drastically scaled back a grassroots outreach campaign this past fall due to a lack of money.

Love Honor Cherish, an L.A.-based gay rights group, handed out fliers promoting a 2012 ballot measure: "The Time Is Now," screamed a headline, "Enough Waiting On Our Rights."

And on it went.

Shorter asked for a show of hands to see if the audience thought 2012 was a good idea. A little less than a third were undecided, and the rest were evenly split between opposing and supporting going back to the ballot.

So what's going on here?

As we reported in April, some gay rights insiders think Equality California is looking for a hot topic to keep themselves relevant and worthy of millions of dollars of annual donations.

It may sound crass, but EQCA honchos have proven over the years that they rarely, if ever, make a move without carefully considering what their organization gets in return.

Others wonder exactly where EQCA or anyone else is going to get the more than $40 million needed to run such a campaign.

Still others question if those millions could be better spent elsewhere, such as the American Foundation for Equal Rights -- which is leading the effort to overturn Proposition 8 in the federal courts -- AIDS non-profits, gay youth programs, gay senior programs, and the list goes on.

The 2012 election in November is only about 16 months away.

President Barack Obama, who has millions at his disposal and will probably have no competition during the primary season, already announced his re-election campaign in April.

The pro-gay marriage ballot measure camp, who will need to organize a far better field operations effort than in 2008, will have fierce opponents, and will have to raise tens of millions of dollars, are still talking about things.

Contact Patrick Range McDonald at pmcdonald@laweekly.com.

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Mark Daniel Snyder
Mark Daniel Snyder

If half the people in that room were against it you can imagine even more than that in the general public of lgbtq peple are against it because usually folks who show up at EQCA events lean pro-ballot.

evolutionisfact
evolutionisfact

Why lower ourselves(and our standards)to that of the religious rightwing creepazoids?!?  Our civil Rights will be decided by The Federal Court System.  The ONLY arena the religious fruitloops DON'T want civil rights issues to be debated!

Lesteraponte
Lesteraponte

If I was a rightwing creepazoid the federal courts is precisely where i would want LGBT rights debated.  They have 4 sure votes on the Supreme Court. The other five? It is anybody's guess.   

MPetrelis
MPetrelis

here's another report on the town hall in SF, that echoes what has been stated by patrick, myself and others at the meeting on thursday. i don't imagine this report pleases the EQCA leaders:

http://www.prop8trialtracker.c...

Jay
Jay

"Why anyone would want to mess with that lawsuit in even the slightest way before it's over is beyond us."

To place a proposition on the ballot will not mess up the lawsuit. If one really believes as I do, that every day we are without equality causes grave injustice, then we can not wait for the painfully slow justice system to work (or perhaps not work). We don't know how the Ca. Supreme Court is going to rule on the question of standing for the proponents of Prop 8. If they rule the right way and the Ninth Circuit accepts their ruling, the stay against Judge Walker's ruling that Prop 8 is unconstititional will likely be lifted and same-sex marriages can resume. If that is the case, then we do not have to hold the referendum. However, if we have no ruling from the Courts or if the rulings go against us, then we need to be prepared to go back to the ballot. Otherwise, we say that marriage is not very important.

Anyone who trusts the judicial system to do the right thing is deluding themselves. Even with the best lawyers and the best arguments, it is a crap shoot, especially with the U.S. Supreme Court.

A referendum on equal rights should be unnecessary, but it is the only way we will achieve equal rights in this country. It is an expensive and messy process, but it will be difficult for our enemies as well as ourselves. We need to take the fight to them.

lesteraponte
lesteraponte

Thank you for calling attention to the Town Hall meetings. Given the time short frames for taking action on a ballot initiative, it is a conversation we need to have now and it needs to be done openly and honestly. Our view is that it is important that we take all necessary steps to preserve the option of a ballot initiative. That means submitting language, gathering signatures, having the conversations and helping to move public opinion. If the court case goes our way, we don’t have to turn in the signatures. If it doesn’t, we have an alternative. If, on the other hand, we don’t prepare, the next window of opportunity may not be until 2016, i.e., 8 years after Prop 8 yanked our rights away.

Lester F. AponteOuteach DirectorLove Honor Cherish

MPetrelis
MPetrelis

even though i am adamantly against wasting time and money on another CA gay ballot prop of any sort, lester, i do appreciate your thinking about the necessary steps gays would have to undertake for another prop campaign. unfortunately, the conversation you need about those steps is not taking place with the EQCA town halls. 

Frank Cardinalli
Frank Cardinalli

I say let the courts undo Prop 8 and release the video tape of the Prop 8 trial in Federal courtso the voters for Prop 8 can reflect upon the fact that their fears and prejudices concerningmarriage were stoked by right wing and religious zealotry thereby taking away the right of an estimated 1.8 million Californians to marry. The California Initiative process had never been used this way before. It is bigotry and demogougery and it is shameful. But try to tell the self-righteous they are bigots. Its in one ear and out the other. The best attitudeLGBT people can take on Prop 8  is " We'll see you in court".

Jay
Jay

Boy, you are naive. The voters are not going to reflect on anything except keeping their taxes down. Your faith in the courts is touching, but misplaced. Most of the court rulings on same-sex marriage have gone against us. Had the courts been responsive to justice, we would have same-sex marriage in California right now and indeed across the country.

Zoe Nicholson
Zoe Nicholson

I want to ask, really ask, (not rhetorical) what are "ordinary" gays.  I was thinking of going to the OC meeting but who described this audience as ordinary.  Was it EQCA, or is it the author of this article?  That seems important, as if leadership is slumming with us ordinary people at town meetings.  It begs the question - who is not an ordinary gay?  I don't mean to be picking on just one point or missing the whole picture - to me this is the whole picture - Equality has to begin within us and I really don't want to pay homage - to some above others.  Or offer my opinion if it is seen as coming from the "little ordinary people."   Hope you will take my question as sincerely as I am asking.  Thank you, Zoe

Patrick Range McDonald
Patrick Range McDonald

Hi Zoe,

It's not mean to be offensive. I'm proudly an "ordinary" gay, meaning good, stand-up folks who work a job, maybe have a family, aren't famous, aren't politically connected in the gay rights world, aren't super rich, but whose rights and lives are on the line whenever gay rights leaders -- who are often self-appointed -- start making decisions on the behalf of us. I wrote that word "ordinary" out of respect and concern. EQCA had nothing to do with the usage of that word.

Take care,Patrick Range McDonald,LA Weekly

MBAYER3009
MBAYER3009

By putting it up of a vote it re-enforces the notion that civil rights are up for a popular vote. If it does go to a vote, and passes, what to say they wont just have another vote the next election.

Patrick Connors
Patrick Connors

I asked that question to Shannon Minter at the SF Town Hall in SF and he said that nothing would stop them from trying it again.

And with the survey numbers what they are 45/45 with 10% undecided, our opponents would have just as good a chance to re-enact Prop 8 if we repeal it. Going to the ballot box doesn't resolve this matter.  

Jay
Jay

And if we lose, nothing will stop us from doing it again. Why cede the initiative to our enemies?

Jeffrey Fuentes
Jeffrey Fuentes

 Unfortunately it seems every organization that claims to represent the interest of any minority group is run by self serving pieces of shit . If anything gets solved, they become irrelevant and unemployed.That is the last thing they want.

Frank Cardinalli
Frank Cardinalli

Truer words have never been spoken. It is no accident that the American Foundation for Equal Rights and Perry v. Schwarenegger was the work of those outside the conventionalgay rights organizations. Rob Reiner and Bruce Cohen are entertainment industry leaderswho cared enough to get involved and then there is Ted Olsen, who is a class act if thereever was one. He has my great respect and admiration.

monroecolby
monroecolby

 How can EQCA lead the gays into a ballot battle when the professional anti-gay bigots cowardly hide their financial donors? Democracy cannot work when people are being shady, and this is the anti-gays' greatest advantage; secrecy. My faith rests with the federal court system. 

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