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L.A. County Supervisors Claim Giant New Hotels, Shops, Apartments in Marina Del Rey Won't Increase Traffic (LOL)

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We ARE Marina del Rey
526 new apartments are proposed for the corner of Via Marina and Marquesas Way.
Marina del Rey is a breath of fresh air just south of Venice: The unincorporated community retains a touch of wildness with worn-in college huts and the occasional open patch of earth or shore.

But something about underdevelopment makes L.A. politicians very nervous. Just like in West Hollywood, where the WeHo City Council is slowly demolishing a star-studded smalltown vibe with fat stucco complexes and $3 million robotic parking garages, the L.A. County supervisors who oversee Marina del Rey feel it "just needs to be polished," in the words of supe Don Knabe.

Guess one man's rustic is another man's ghetto. And to an out-of-town supervisor, every inch of empty floor space is an opportunity for profit.

As for the rest of us -- or at least those unlucky enough to use Lincoln Boulevard at rush hour -- a slew of new Marina del Rey developments could make the commute into a whole new kind of nightmare.

Somehow, though, the L.A. County Board of Supervisors doesn't think so. To appease locals, they've conducted a traffic study to supplement their Local Coastal Program Amendment, which would change building rules in Marina del Rey to allow for the shiny new spring-ups.

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We ARE Marina del Rey succeeded in blocking development at Mother's Beach in late 2010 -- but they've got a long road ahead of them.
(The California Coastal Commission, who must be consulted on any development near the state's coveted shoreline, will approve or reject the amendment in mid-June.)

The traffic study is long, complex and jargony, measuring car volume at peak hours and comparing that to past data to determine whether new shops, restaurants, hotels and homes would cause too much of a jam.

The verdict: Traffic? What traffic! The supes then propose a few lane re-adjustments to accomodate for the small additional buildup they do admit will probably occur.

Now, we don't have no expensive-arse study to back us up, but we do drive past the marina at least once a week. And if there's one thing we know about the stretch of Lincoln (and perpendicular Washington) in question, it's that BUMPER TO BUMPER is an understatement. It already takes about half an hour to travel half a mile at rush hour; there is no possible way that giving hundreds, if not thousands, more people a reason to be in the area won't make it into an absolute traffic hellhole.

A group of residents calling themselves We ARE Marina del Rey is likewise telling the county, "F your science," and trying to raise enough money to conduct its own, more realistic study in time for the Coastal Commission meetings on June 15, 16 and 17. (Donate here.) Like, one that might better represent the restless waves of utter rage we feel while sitting in the same spot on Lincoln for 10 minutes while the last sliver of sun fades behind the semi in front of us.

Here's the list of proposed developments that would be possible under the new amendment (scroll down for map), which the group predicts will attract 7,000 additional cars per day:

1. Oceana Retirement Facility next to Oxford Basin (Parcel OT) 114-unit luxury senior retirement facility on public parking lot OT for active seniors 60+. Will include limousine service, 3 meals/day.

2. The "Czucker Project" - Organic Panificio site (Parcels 33/NR)
3 5-story buildings, 292 apartments plus 32,000 square feet retail/ restaurants on public parking lot (Parcel NR) and the former Edies Diner/Harbor House/Organic Panificio lot. Project may include a Trader Joes or CVS.

3. Holiday Harbor Project to replace Marina Fitness/Mermaids Café (Parcel 21)
Holiday Harbor 5-story, 30,000 square foot commercial/gym complex with adjacent 5-story private parking structure on Panay Way.

4. Neptune Apartments at corner of Marquesas and Via Marina (Parcels 10/FF)
526 apartments in four, 4-story residential buildings. To replace public parking lot on parcel FF which is supposed to be developed into a park/green space for visitors and residents.

5. Woodfin Hotel & Timeshares/Wetland Park on vacant lot (Parcel 9U)
19 story, 288 room hotel (136 timeshare) plus 5-story 332-stall parking structure on the vacant parcel of land at Via Marina and Tahiti Way. Currently a wetland and foraging site for Great Blue Herons and Great Egrets.

6. High-End Shopping Center on Public boat launch ramp across from Waterside Shop Ctr (Parcels 49/77)
Mixed use development consisting of 135,000 square foot retail/commercial complex plus 26,000 square foot administration building plus 255 apartment units on the existing public parking, public boat launch ramp and dry storage lots.

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We ARE Marina del Rey
In all, 17 acres of open space and eight acres of recreational space would be eliminated. Welcome to the L.A. overdevelopment club, MDR. (Or, as the Los Angeles City Council likes to call it, elegant density.) What, you thought you could go on frolicking in your ocean views and strawberry fields forever? Psh.

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apartments of tel aviv
apartments of tel aviv

this is really nice and many are going to rent this apartment, and they satisfied..

Mag in LA
Mag in LA

WRITE A LETTER NOW about not voting for those who do this sort of thing. Got any addresses? I am new to this.  The Coastal Commission does accept mail also.  Someone put these folks in office.  Withdrawing your support.  Mag in LA nearby.

Sookmonstr
Sookmonstr

just going up washington blvd to Lincoln is a nightmare now!  even when it's not rush hour. at rush hour...you have to avoid it completely!  anyone can manipulate facts in their favor.  but these idiots who want to make all this money off of our neighborhood need to sit in the traffic every day!

Al and Ellen Hains
Al and Ellen Hains

Correct me if I am wrong but did I not hear or read some time ago that the intersection of Lincoln Blvd and Washington Blvd. is the most congested intersection in all of L A County?  I can only accept that as the honest truth.  So, very obviously, none of the Board of Supers ever, ever journeys down Washington and crosses Lincoln!  Why should they ever do that?  And better yet, they very obviously never drive through the Marina on Admiralty or Via Marina!  Again, why in the world should they ever, ever do such a thing?  Yet they never hesitate to cave in to the developers or any one else out to ruin the Marina we know and love.  The Supers are either crazy or totally committed to the ultimate destruction of our once beautiful Marina del Rey so that they can feed moola to the the County coffers.  I am certain they are not crazy.  Well, not all of the Supers anyway.

Nancy Marino
Nancy Marino

Several years ago, Lincoln/Washington was the second most congested intersection in the county, behind Wilshire Blvd/Westwood Blvd.  Who knows?  Maybe by now we're #1. 

David Barish
David Barish

I moved here in Nov 2004 from New York City. And traffic has steadily increased since then and it is much harder to move around the Marina, not only in peak hours but during the day too. And this is with a half empty Esprit I apartment complex, a higher than normal vacancy rate in the Marina and no Del Rey Shores. Imagine when the new shores complex  (already approved) with 550 units goes up, the new Neptune (not approved yet) with 526 units.

That is 700+ new units within a block of each other. And the proposed 288-room hotel on Via Marina and Tahiti.

The Marina is a paradise on the endangered list because the Supes don't care. Screw the residents, screw the recreational users, screw the environment, we have developers to feed.

Nancy
Nancy

We moved to the Marina in 1999 and were delighted that, other than 4th of July and the holiday boat light event, we could breeze along Admiralty with no problem anytime of the day. Over the years, however, congestion has increased and now, especially around rush hour and on weekends, we creep toward Via Marina or get stuck in the long snaky lines trying to turn left into Bali or Mindanao from Admiralty. We agree the Marina needs a facelift, but please, BOS, in moderation! What you are proposing isn't reasonable or appropriate.Nancy

winter
winter

Let's not forget sewers and schools in the area. First of all, the current sewage sub-station on the Marina del Rey Peninsula and pipes that push poop down to Hyperion cannot handle anything close to the increased flows resulting from the County's total development plan. That means additional sewage lines and pump capacity will be required which is NOT IN THEIR PLANS and is not approved by the CCC. How stupid is that? Secondly, such a large increase in rental housing will mean a lot of additional children. The LAUSD schools in the area are beyond capacity and there is no more land LAUSD can buy to build K12 schools in the area... even if they could financially. It is typical of the Supervisors that they push development plans with a domino strategy in mind.. if they compel development (= more units, raise lease fees and rents) then all the other domino's (streets, sewage, schools, infrastructure) will have to fall in-line. The result is a catastrophe for the community and environment that is here... we are trampled on so the County can earn more cash. We all need to push back or we will be living like rats in the Marina del Rey area in no time.

Michelle Summers
Michelle Summers

What a thoughtful article!  It is very alarming to hear how our "leaders" are failing to take responsibility for their role as stewards of our public resources.  In our day and age, space and views of nature are our communities tresures, and the very people we have entrusted to protect them seem to be shameless about giving them away to developers who care nothing for the effects their development has on the people who live their.  They take their profits from cheap construction turned luxury apartment, and leave the traffic to us.  And what about the current real estate forclosures and unemployment numbers.  Most of my friends in the entertainment industry aren't doing so well.

What is going to happen in an emergency, or don't those happen anymore in Los Angeles?  We are already vulnerable with the density and population we already have.  

NBP Chats
NBP Chats

I've been living in the Marina for almost 10 years and the traffic along Lincoln between Playa Vista and Venice Bl in horrible during rush hour.  Then there is the traffic within the Marina proper along Admiralty Way- which has become a short cut for those trying to avoid the gridlock on Lincoln!!!  For the Sups to say there hasn't been an increase in traffic and the proposed much larger buildings won't cause increased traffic is laughable AND sad.

Mark Z
Mark Z

Little traffic impact.. indeed a LOL. oe even LMAO. I avoid that area around Lincoln & Washington and North (on Lincoln) like the plague. What if for a traffic study, you get in the car with web cam and send that video off to the coastal commission. Does one need more proof there are all ready too many cars ?

cherrynorris
cherrynorris

This is ridiculous.  Obviously the sups that are planning these developments don't live in the Marina ... otherwise they would experience the obvious.  While I'm all in favor of sprucing up the neighborhood, adding new highrise apartments with thousands of new occupants isn't the way to go.  With tsuami warning signs everywhere ... it's comical that developers want to move more and more and more people into a small area where there's basically ONE outlet to leave.  These so called "planners" apparently haven't sat in their vehicles ... because it's impossible to move ... while driving up Washington Blvd to Lincoln on a sunny afternoon.  Via Marina and Admirality Way would be absolute nightmares with all this new planned development.

Cherry Norris

Nancy Marino
Nancy Marino

MAKE ADATE: 

day:     WEDNESDAY morning, JUNE 15, 2011

time:    8:00 - 10:00 a.m.

where: Marina del Rey Hotel (end of Bali Way on the waterfront)

event:  California Coastal Commission meeting  

parking: at the hotel, or at the public lot at Admiralty Way & Bali             (entrance from Bali Way, $6).

The CoastalCommission invites public comments at the beginning of each meeting, 

whichusually starts around 8 or 8:30 a.m.  Stop in before work or school, come and remindthe Commissionersthat they have both the power and the duty to             PROTECT MdR for RECREATIONAL DEVELOPMENTNot just for the people who use the Marina now, but for for the benefit of all the people.If we canget enough people here on the morning of JUNE 15, we can

DEMONSTRATE what 7,000 additional cars will mean for traffic in the Marina area.

VOLUNTEER to help get the word out.  Email  info@wearemdr.com 

Dan Gottlieb
Dan Gottlieb

You know how the geniuses doing the traffic study in the Marina came up with the fact that traffic is lighter than predicted in 1991? They noticed that the volume of traffic through most intersections was decreasing. Volume means the number of cars moving through the intersection per hour, Now there are two ways that the volume can grow smaller. 1. The traffic gets lighter. 2. The traffic approaches gridlock. There is a footnote in the Land use plan which pints out this obvious fact. But someone is changing the footnote into two or three separated footnotes. Thus they are decreasing the volume of information per footnote. By decreasing the volume of information, they hope to increase the volume of noise.air pollution, and delay timein the Marina while achieving their goal of decreasing the volume of traffic to zero.

Dan Gottlieb

JanMeyers
JanMeyers

No impact on current traffic ... what planet are these BOS living on!!!  Common sense tells us that there will be more traffic.  If we just add up the number of new residential units from 4 projects (excluding the Woodfin Hotel proposed on the wetlands), I calculate 1,187 more residential units.  And if each resident leaves their unit once a day and returns, that will equal a total of 2,374 more cars traveling through the LA City local communities surrounding the Marina.  And of course, my analysis has not factored in the cars generated by the restaurants, retail shops or office buildings.  Traffic is going to kill the Marina as a desired destination spot for tourists visiting the area.

Lynne Shapiro
Lynne Shapiro

Using Via Marina and Admiralty Way and little Ocean Avenue are some 8000 apartments,homes and condominiums on the west side of the Marina.  A 288 room hotel (new design-2 five story wings) and 526 new apartments (replacing Neptune's 136 + a lovely parking lotdestined to become a park for all these residents without yards): NOT NEEDED by virtueof traffic, noise, hazardous waste, impact on sailing and marine life, lengthy construction.

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