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Public Counsel Sues Lancaster And Palmdale Over "War" On Section 8 Housing

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Update: Lancaster Mayor Rex Parris calls the lawsuit "inflammatory bullshit." More below.
Update 2: Palmdale Mayor Jim Ledford gives his own defense.

A public interest law firm filed a racial discrimination suit today against Lancaster and Palmdale, charging that the cities have declared "war" on Section 8 housing.

The cities have conducted routine sweeps of Section 8 units, encouraged residents to report "problem renters," and threatened to revoke the business licenses of Section 8 landlords, according to the suit filed in federal court by Public Counsel.

The suit quotes Lancaster Mayor Rex Parris warning in 2008 that the city was becoming a "dumping ground" for Section 8 tenants. "It is time to go to war," he said.

Section 8 is the federally subsidized housing program for low-income renters. About 85% of Section 8 tenants in Lancaster and Palmdale are black and Latino.

According to the lawsuit, the two cities stepped up "compliance checks" of Section 8 units in 2004. In Palmdale, investigator Gary Brody would bring 15 armed officers with him on sweeps, threatening voucher holders that he would obtain search warrants if they did not consent to searches, according to the suit.

Investigators in Lancaster and Palmdale recommended terminating tenants from the program at a much higher rate than elsewhere in the county, the suit alleges. From 2006 to 2010, 59% of all proposed terminations in L.A. County came from Lancaster and Palmdale -- though the two cities had only 17% of the county's Section 8 tenants.

The cities also proposed an ad campaign to warn potential Section 8 tenants that there are no jobs or services in the Antelope Valley, and that the cost of living is too high, the suit alleges.

The suit is filed on behalf of civil rights groups and two anonymous plaintiffs, who allege they were harassed by city employees because they were on Section 8. One plaintiff said she left the Antelope Valley after being intimidated by the city's compliance sweeps.

Another said that Brody searched her home repeatedly, along with 15 officers with guns drawn. Her children were routinely harassed in the street and were called "dirty Section 8 niggers." She said she is trying to relocate out of the Antelope Valley.

The cities of Lancaster and Palmdale have not returned calls seeking comment on the suit.

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Lancaster Mayor Rex Parris fires back
Update: Lancaster Mayor Rex Parris pulled no punches in his response.

"I am at war with Section 8," Parris said. "I would do anything I legally could to stop the inundation of Section 8 housing into our community."

Parris said that the Section 8 program is "moving the urban poor into the suburbs, which is destroying hard-working family neighborhoods.... It's not a secret what's happening to America. Lancaster is just one of the cities affected. We seem to be one of the only cities doing something about it."

Parris called the lawsuit "inflammatory bullshit," and said it had been filed by "ultraliberal lawyers" and "idiots."

"They are lying in that complaint," he said. "It has nothing to do with race. We want to maintain our integrated neighborhoods. If you start overloading neighborhoods, they'll sort. You'll have a black section and a white section."

Parris alleged that the Los Angeles County Housing Authority has dumped Section 8 residents in Lancaster, but kept the money from the program in downtown L.A.

"Do you think I should step back and say, 'Send us more?'" he asked.

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Palmdale Mayor Jim Ledford offers his own defense
Update 2: Palmdale Mayor Jim Ledford offered his own defense today.

"Our interest is compliance," Ledford said. "The effects of people not living within the rules has a devastating effect on our neighborhoods. We're trying to preserve our neighborhoods."

Ledford said that Palmdale is among the few cities that pay for inspectors to check that Section 8 tenants are living within the rules of the program -- which include not having extra tenants, not using drugs and not housing parolees.

"We let them know that people are watching," he said. "My residents appreciate us paying attention."

"Why are we the only ones doing this?"

First posted at 11:41 a.m.
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Jd2311
Jd2311

As a hard-working member of the middle class who commutes an hour and 15 minutes each way to work, I support the efforts of Mayor Parris and Mayor Ledford.   I live in the AV because of it's family-oriented appeal. It's not right to turn our community into a dumping ground for many of those on Section 8 who are taking advantage of the government and manipulate the system because they have are lazy and have no work ethic.  Granted not all on Section 8 are this way, but a large majority are.  Why should decent, hard-working citizens have to put up with this crap.  I say do all you can to keep our community safe and a desirable place to live.  Sad to say, but with Section 8 comes drugs, crime, violence, etc.  Either do away with the program or continue to enforce the requirements to receive Section 8.  RAID away and get rid of the cockroaches...

William_eal
William_eal

I say go for it Rex Parris. I am new to this valley, working at Edwards AFB and I really think this is a bad city for the average tax paying middle class citizen. I was going to buy a home six months ago, but no way now, not with the possibility of a section eight person moving in next door. They drag down any neighborhood they move to. Just read the comments. The blacks and mexicans want the tax payer to pay for their housing, EBT for their daily needs, and phones for their personal contacts. And once the sun goes down, they want to break into your home and take what the government doesn't already take. Lancaster and California really blows, and I am out of here ASAP before the taxes or section 8 folks rob us blind.

Angel
Angel

what about the poor who are trying to better their lives, where are they supposed to live while looking for jobs or going to college?

Guest
Guest

Where are the Agenda 21 complaints? They have been pushing people in the rural areas out for four years already and nobody seems to be aware of what is happening or even what Agenda 21 is?

Annprejen
Annprejen

R. Rex Parris is an ignorant racist who would have a problem with any Black person living in his socalled town. People have a right to live where they damn well pleas without some racist bum trying  to use the law to intimidate them! I hope Mayor Parris rots in hell some day!

Rnm14658
Rnm14658

why are you saying he is racist. Can you see that many people here is complainingabout all the gangs, drugs, and problems that people in section 8 bring to our community. I am glad some one is doing some thing about it. You would not like to live next door of people smoking or doing drugs right? many bring their friends and have a Mariguana Party. They do not care if you see them using drugs.

american1234567890
american1234567890

welfare queens living better than the working familys do . prob is they dont want to follow the rules ,  so they use the RACE  card .   those abusing system , should be evicted and gave to others who need a break . 

Hornytoadx3
Hornytoadx3

I have lived in this upper middle class neighborhood for 16 years.5 of those years it's been great the last 11 have been hell. Behind my house is a huge (was) beautiful home that a Dentist rented to the Government for sec 8. I'm not going to go into the first tennants but all the people that lived around them including us got them thrown out (it took years of red tape) in the mean times alot of kids running around and loud parties and cops getting called. Now the lazy sloths that live behind us now. All of them are at least 300 lbs. each. They have loud parties all night,They blatenly do drugs in front of us, they have different people at there house all the time even for day's.There where 3 people living there now there is around 9 and only one of them has a job because they are always home. They even have a chicken in the back yard running free! These losers are very uneducated and have that great barrio attitude to go with it. Called cops numerous times. Even video taped them doing smoking drugs. Cops said we can't prove they where smoking anythig illegal. Got in arguments alot with these lower class people. I put up a few grand to put up a better privacy fence between us. I  wish I had a war veteran living there with his family instead. Me and my family own our own business and work very hard to make a better life for our children. It's not fair! I pray these people go away and disturb there own kind somewhere else! Did I mention all of the dogs and cats they let run around the neighborhood? Wait! Thats another story! I even went on there face book and all they have is pictures of them partying! They don't have shit to show for themselves except a junkyard in there backyard. Which HOA will do nothing about! I am ready to move but it's not that easy. I feel better I got this off my chest. Good luck if you have these kind of losers that live next to you. And for the sec 8's that are doing the right thing may God bless you and your family.

Misstheoldav
Misstheoldav

I live in the Antelope Valley and let's just be honest.....the minorities, especially the blacks have ruined a majority of Lancaster and Palmdale.  Take a drive down Sierra Hwy or go to the AV Mall and you will find all you need to support what these terds have brought.  Section 8 abuse, gangs, disease, poverty, pajamas, pitbulls, prostitution etc. etc.  I see the underbelly of these cities daily at work and it is getting worse by the day.   The LASO has done a pretty good job policing these animals for the most part.  Now more violent criminals willl be moved to our prisons so needless to say more and more of these terds will be flushed into the AV.  Products of their environment.....raised in households where crime, getting your car repoed , welfare , EBT cards , utilities cut and scamming to get by are accepted and the norm.   Would love to leave this toilet but to upside down in my house to do so for the time being.  Go ahead and get mad  people but you know it is the truth.   No PC here.

Nigerian01
Nigerian01

Wow, this guy is unbelievable.  When did it become a crime to seek an affordable and a safe environment for your family? As one of the ultraliberal lawyers Parris referred to (I am a public interest lawyer), I say stick it to them PC and other firms litigating these type of cases. Racism and classism will never rule the day.       

People fighting 4 people
People fighting 4 people

Thank you, we are the ones suing them.Itis easy to attack people who can't or don’t try to defend themselves.

When America finds itself in trouble, they attack the low income and poorpeople and accuse them of being the cause of their problems. When in fact it isgreedy politicians, Wall Street and corporationswho are becoming rich from the taxpayers money. (Bail outs, tax cuts,artificial price inflation, and publicly funded incentives and subsidies) NOONE ON SECTION 8 IS GETTING RICH!

They attack low income people because they do not defend themselves and blamethem for the problems in our community, instead of facing the problems, likethe lack of jobs, good educations and affordable housing.These people use subterfuge by attacking low income people on section 8 sayingthat they are the reason for crimes in our community. These people are goodpeople that just want their families to have a better life than they had. Andbecause of their economic reality’s, cannot even afford to house theirchildren.

TheProblemWithCA
TheProblemWithCA

I believe everybody understands that some people need real assistance every now and then due to an unexpected or unanticipated hardship.  But what I think most people are tired of is the amount of Section 8 folks that continue to milk the system.  CA continues to give handouts with no end in sight.  Many of these Section 8 folks also receive EBT, childcare, medical and other assistance -- don't you think there should be a cap, a limit or a timeframe as to when these free handouts end?  Jobs in CA are very scarce but since CA keeps giving one free handout after another these section 8 folks have no incentive or drive to do anything better for themselves.  If CA would limit the amount of free handouts these folks would get up and do something such as move out of CA and look for work in another state.  There aren't many good paying jobs here in CA and the cost of living is very high here so why continue to stay here?  But since the State likes to give free handouts indefinitely there is no reason for these folks to do anything else.

Lightnapper
Lightnapper

I think that if you look at the crime stats for the area, and correlate them with past crime trends, you will discover that certain areas in Lancaster and Palmdale are anything but safe. When people migrate, they tend to bring their problems, attitudes, lifestyles, and any associated activites with them--  drug use, drug distribution, fraud, robbery, assaults, thefts, burglaries, GTA's, domestic violence, etc.-- not leave them where they just moved from. Not that everyone is engaged in said activities, but a large portion are, and they negatively impact the perceptions of the majority-- who obviously are dissatisfied with status quo and are demanding action from their civic leaders, or this would not be an issue.

People fighting 4 people
People fighting 4 people

Thesecowards attack people on section 8, and try to get us to believe that 2,100families are the cause of all the crime and debt in a community of 150,000people. Who knew the poor were so powerful. I’m sure those on section 8 neverknew they had so much control over our lives. (And as our mayor likes to takecredit for the drop in crime, I would like to point out crime has droppednationwide. “The study used FBI Uniform Crime Reportstatistics to show that violent crime inthe country's 100 biggest metropolitan areas dropped 44 percent when comparing1990 with 2008 while property crime fell 42percent when comparing those two years.” I guess Rex is responsible for thenationwide crime drop, also?)

i-hate-lawyers
i-hate-lawyers

You defend lazy people who made choices to not educate themselves. Education in  America is free, but pure factual statictics show that a good percentage of section 8 clients chose to drop out of school, not apply themselves, (work) which is why the rest of the majority has to be taxed to subsidize these lazy people. Most of  the "poor minorities" you speak of went to the same schools for free I did, they just chose to drop out,  join gangs, have children at the age of 15 and use/sell drugs. America is no longer the land of opportunity, it doesnt need to be, just come here, do nothing, and some asshole liberal lawyer will sue someone and get free money for you under the coat of "racism". That is America now, its sad that my fathers generation and the generation before that gave their lives for the "American Dream. Fact from article above "85% of section 8 is minorities. There you go, thats the problem. Maybe, just maybe we should stop making excuses for minorities and actually demand they work, be educated, and be a productive part of this free nation.Racism, wow, get a clue. The facts are, nothing will change, we will continue to give freebies to lazy people regardless, Section 8 investigators video and audio tape section 8 compliance checks. When the "good people" you speak of are kicked off the program its because the "video" shows them violating the rules. I can only hope some "good minority poor person" you speak of, comes in your house mr lawyer, eats your family and leaves you there, alive to watch. I have many black, and hispanic friends who chose to educate themselves, work hard and be a productive part of this society, they cant stand these lazy, freeloaders either. Section 8 recipiants cant be drug tested,,, but i have to be at work. They cant be taxed, cuz they dont earn a paycheck. They are the majority of criminal offenders just look at the facts, oh wait, the police are "racist" too right?  Just wait, America is close to being taken over by the Chinese and Japanese as they pretty much own us financially now. No wars, just purchased, and  when they do, these "minorities" you speak of will be the first people they terminate. They are communist which I dont agree with, but they have a strong work ethic and they wont care what motion you file, they will cut out the dead weight.

People fighting 4 people
People fighting 4 people

Thank you, We are the ones suing them!Itis easy to attack people who can't or don’t try to defend themselves.

When America finds itself in trouble, they attack the low income and poorpeople and accuse them of being the cause of their problems. When in fact it isgreedy politicians, Wall Street and corporationswho are becoming rich from the taxpayers money. (Bail outs, tax cuts,artificial price inflation, and publicly funded incentives and subsidies) NOONE ON SECTION 8 IS GETTING RICH!

They attack low income people because they do not defend themselves and blamethem for the problems in our community, instead of facing the problems, likethe lack of jobs, good educations and affordable housing.These people use subterfuge by attacking low income people on section 8 sayingthat they are the reason for crimes in our community. These people are goodpeople that just want their families to have a better life than they had. Andbecause of their economic reality’s, cannot even afford to house theirchildren.

tina
tina

Thank GOD, you are very much politically inclined! I wish other residents in your community were intelligent such as yourself!

The 21yr Section 8 Tenant

I-hate-lawyers
I-hate-lawyers

Black, White, and Hispanic people that make choices to educate, work, and be responsible for their children dont need section 8.  Hmmmmmm thats so weird. Maybe everyone is racist, just maybe we should all file lawsuit against  lawyers like yourselves that use minorities as pawns to make a name for themselves. The reality is Americans of all races, true Americans that give to this county as much as they take, know your ploy and dont fall for it. Black, White and Hispanic men and women I served with in the military get sick in the stomach when they hear the direaha coming from your mouth about racism.  The people in this country that deserve free housing are the military patriots that served this county, that risked their lives everyday.  But,  not too many of you liberal lawyers are out fighting for them are you. Military salaries are very comparable to monies paid to welfare, they qualify for food stamps in many cases,  You enjoy the freedomes these brave soldiers fought for (Black, White and Hispanic) but hide behind your cheap suites for the "cause." I truly hope, there are enough true Americans still left, Americans of all colors that will finally say "enough is enough" and bring this country back to where it was. My advise to the legal team listed above, go get a cup of hot coffe at Mcdonalds and burn your mouth with it, then sue someone.

taxedmore
taxedmore

Just remember, whenever somebody gets something for nothing (including the subsidized part of their rent) somebody else has to expend a part of their life working for that money which is taken away from them and their family. Why don't the people that want the welfare housing work harder, have fewer kids they cannot afford, save more for retirement and be more responsible so somebody else doesn't get taxed to pay their rent, food, health care, etc.... What part of all this is fair to those who struggle and make sacrifices to carry their own weight in society? What is my family going without so somebody else can live off my earnings?

Lightnapper
Lightnapper

Well put. Charity starts at home. Good parenting starts at home. Money, status, class position, education are all secondary to providing a solid moral foundation-- and I don't mean religion. I mean actions. Teach your children to be productive, useful citizens, which is what parenting is all about-- or at least was all about. Teach responsibility. Teach correct actions. Teach industriousness. Teach perseverance. Teach respect. Teach manners. And I bet those childeren will rise up from poverty and make a difference in this world, as so many before them have.

Tinasstyle
Tinasstyle

I approve of your comments. Basically what you've stated in the above is truly what life is all about.

Thanks,

A 21yr. section 8 tenant

Rbg
Rbg

If his legal defense is as well-crafted as his response to the lawsuit, I'm sure Mr. Parris will do just fine.  You stay classy, Mr.Parris!

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