Giovanni Ramirez, Bryan Stow Beating Suspect, Exonerated Upon LAPD Arrest of 2 New Male Suspects, Reports Say

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Antonio Villaraigosa and Chief Charlie Beck wrongly announcing that Giovanni Ramirez was the attacker.
Update: "Louie Sanchez and Marvin Norwood -- Bryan Stow Beating Suspects -- Reportedly Cut Out Stow's Eye and Tongue, Then Bragged About It."

Updated at the bottom: Prosecutors allege the suspects cut Stow's tongue. A notably defensive Antonio Villaraigosa was unusually short on words at a press conference this hour with Chief Charlie Beck. First posted at 6:45 pm Thursday.

Looks like Giovanni Ramirez was right, and LAPD investigators were wrong: Police have been insisting they had jailed the right guy for the brutal beating of Giants fan Bryan Stow on Opening Day. But Ramirez, and his familial alibis, said he didn't even like baseball, and was nowhere near Dodger Stadium the night of the infamous attack.

Now, the Los Angeles Times is reporting that Ramirez has been exonerated for good.

A "law enforcement source familiar with the case" tells reporters that two different men have been arrested for the crime, and that police "have concluded the suspect they took into custody in May was not responsible."

Aka, Ramirez.

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(Former) Bryan Stow beating suspect Giovanni Ramirez.
Ever since the dramatic SWAT take-down of Ramirez and his East L.A. housemates in May, the case has unraveled into nothing more than a couple witnesses saying they recognized the suspect from that night. Police also found it suspicious that Ramirez, a parolee, inked a whole bunch of new tattoos on his neck directly after the Stow suspects were sketched and mounted on billboards throughout the city.

From a June 3 LA Weekly post:

It was widely speculated on TV news yesterday that Ramirez passed two lie detector tests that he volunteered to take -- one for his attorneys and one for the LAPD. But no one has confirmed that.

His lawyers say the Varrio Nuevo Estrada gang member who's reportedly wanted in Nevada for an attempted murder was taking care of his 10-year-old daughter at her home during the time of the game.

Cops have indicated that witnesses fingered the 31-year-old in a lineup, and his looks include some similarities to a police artist's sketch of one of three suspects wanted for the beating that put Stow in a coma.

But realistically, how many random Cholos throughout Los Angeles could be matched to these composites:

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LAPD
As soon as the Times broke the news of the new arrests, KNX news radio called up Ramirez' attorney, Anthony Brooklier, who had only gotten wind moments before. Ramirez, who's serving time for violating parole, is still in the dark, for all his attorney knows.

Brooklier couldn't help but act smug: He had been insisting his client was innocent all along. But that's what lawyers do -- even for indisputable serial killers -- and, on the other end, the LAPD is forced to maintain a united front of absolute confidence.

On May 26, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck said Ramirez "is, and was, and has been, our primary suspect," and that he, as chief of police, was personally "as sure as you need to be" of Ramirez' guilt.

However, sometimes the want for a big heroic arrest and happy return to peace overshadows a slow, judicial process -- especially in high-profile cases like this one.

The investigation was quietly, finally, transferred to the department's Robbery-Homicide Division in June. The Weekly was told up to 15 detectives were working the case full time, but they'd never admit it directly.

And this latest development won't do anything to ease suspicion in response to similarly sudden LAPD revelations of the future, in which no real clues are revealed to support their public reassurances. Perhaps so as not to cloud the investigation, but also perhaps because the clues are cloudy themselves.

Update No. 1: Whose idea was it to hold the riveting televised press conference that went global on May 22 at Dodger Stadium in which Beck claimed the LAPD had its man?

As numerous City Hall insiders began pointing out within hours of the dual arrests of two new suspects, the highly staged and unusual press conference had all the trappings of a Villaraigosa photo op -- and was out of character for Beck. The mayor stood within a foot or two of Beck, looking severe and worried on camera.

Now, Villaraigosa's deputy chief of staff Matt Szabo is publicly declaring that the mayor's office wants answers about how the events of the past two months unfolded.

But Szabo himself -- a former press secretary whose background is in PR and political campaigns -- is frequently criticized for over-promoting and over-dramatizing events at City Hall in order to keep Villaraigosa in camera shots and in the news.

Although Villaraigosa began praising LAPD in the last few hours, Szabo was declaring to the Los Angeles Times "Obviously, we're going to need to get an explanation."

LAPD watchers today are suggesting that the public will also begin asking Villaraigosa and Szabo for an explanation of their actions leading up to May 22. The key question being: was Beck forced into a corner for political gain?

Update No. 2: Louie Sanchez, 29, and Marvin Norwood, 30 are the new, suspected Stow beaters, according to City News Service. CNS cites the Times in reporting that 31-year-old Dorene Sanchez, sister of Louie and partner of Norwood, apparently, was also collared -- on suspicion of being an accessory after the fact.

Reports originally indicated the alleged beaters fled with the help of a female getaway driver.

The men were jailed in lieu of half a million bail. Cops recommended "suspicion of committing mayhem" charges.

Update No. 3: TMZ has learned that two of the new suspects are known bad guys. Norwood was arrested in San Bernardino County five times and was convicted of spousal abuse and DUI and drug charges.

Sanchez has been arrested nine times in San Bernardino County, and was convicted on spousal abuse and firearms violations. He has been arrested by three police departments in three cities, TMZ says.

Update No. 4: At a news conference today Ramirez's mom chimed in. And if you ask us it sounds like she's priming the media for a possible lawsuit against the LAPD.

Here's what Soledad Gonzalez said, in part:

That was very (upsetting) for me and stressful especially in the kind of job that I have that people, customers and coworkers would point to me, `Oh that's the mother of Giovanni Ramirez, oh yes,' you know?' So I got very depressed but I thought I believe in God and I said well I know my son is innocent.

I got very upset because they (police) did something wrong. If you don't have any proof, why did you put the picture of him in public and say, `He is the suspect. He is the first primary suspect?' No. That's wrong. There is a big, big mistake they made.

Update No. 5: Luis Carrillo, an attorney known for suing the LAPD, often on behalf of Latino clients, tells the Weekly Ramirez might have a case if wants to take the department to civil court.

"In my opinion this was another example of an LAPD rush to judgment," he says, "which happens too often here unfortunately."

"As far as a civil suit I don't know enough facts. But he may have a civil suit for the initial part, where he was held without charges when there really was no probable cause to arrest him for the beating of the Giants fan."

Carrillo says it would be a "tricky" case, however, because Ramirez was on parole and quickly "violated" back to jail when officers found a gun in a home where he was staying. While that might have been a weak case for a prosecutor -- Ramirez says it wasn't his gun, and it wasn't his place -- parole officers don't have a high burden of proof.

But another opening for a possible civil case might surround Chief Beck's words. He announced to the world in May that Ramirez "is and was and has been our primary suspect.''

"I'm as sure as you need to be," he said.

Carrillo:

If he's already slam dunking, saying he's guilty, that might be defamation because he's accusing him of a serious crime that was not proven.

Was Ramirez profiled because he looks like a typical cholo?

"There's elements of racial profiling here," Carrillo says. "Because he's Latino, because he's an alleged gang member, because he has a criminal record, it must be him."

"Round up the usual suspects."

Update No. 6: Beck and Villaraigosa held a press conference moments ago that drastically contrasted with the one in May. No photos of the two suspects were displayed, as Villaraigosa and Beck chose to do at the first incorrect announcement two months ago that they'd arrested the right man.

Beck asked the media not to publish photos of the two new suspects in order to protect the ongoing investigation, and said that the new case "cannot be tried in the press."

He said District Attorney Steve Cooley has already filed charges -- another dramatic contrast to two months ago -- and that LAPD detectives had interviewed some 850 people.

Beck also alluded to, but did not directly address, the criticism that City Hall and the LAPD had embarrassingly jumped the gun with a splashy press conference in May.

Today's press conference announcing the exoneration of Ramirez "is about character, this is about the character of this police department even when it reflects badly on us to do the right thing," Beck said.

Beck also said that arresting a suspect requires a significantly lower burden of proof than prosecuting one, and that the burden of proof was met in the initial arrest of Ramirez.

Just as Beck was explaining that he did not intend to give out any details of the new case, Villaraigosa abruptly broke in on the chief. Villaraigosa sounded strained and defensive, declaring that he had tried to be transparent and open about the Bryan Stow case.

"Let me be absolutely clear, we said then that the investigation was ongoing, and we continued to follow every lead," Villaraigosa said.

Villaraigosa did not respond to criticism that he and Beck jumped the gun. Instead, Villaraigosa, looking grim, argued, "The process worked. One individual has been exonerated."

The mayor concluded somewhat abruptly.

He praised the LAPD for putting "their heart, their sweat into this effort. Every single one of us were appalled by happened to Bryan Stow." Then he announced he would take no more questions in English and switched to the Spanish-language media.

Update No. 8: In the criminal complaint against the two male suspects accused of mayhem in the Stow case, prosecutors alleged they "did cut and disable the tongue, and put out an eye and slit [Stow's] nose, ear and lip."

Meanwhile Dorene Sanchez was released on $50,000 bail Friday and was scheduled to appear in court Aug. 19.

-With reporting and writing from Jill Stewart and Dennis Romero. City News Service copy contributed to this story.

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Jaime the Great
Jaime the Great

When Ramirez gets out i'm going to let him give me a filthy Ramirez to apologize for what hes been through

Mexitard
Mexitard

Are you actually going to feel sorry for this P.O.S??

Ihateusc
Ihateusc

I remember when i walked in on my mom taking it from a cholo.. broke my family up. First they beat up my moms cooch than me.. wtf!

Ihateusc
Ihateusc

wtf? how many ugly assed cholos can there be in LA?

Mexitard
Mexitard

More than you could ever count. LA is infested.

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Burbeauxspics
Burbeauxspics

I think Law and Order LA has their next script all laid out for them on this one.  Of course they will spin it where Alfred Molina doesn't believe the guilt of the initial suspect and investigates on his own.

anonymous
anonymous

The story here is not about the person arrested and his failings, but the idiots ie. our Mayor & Beck who arrested him.  They should both resign.  Both are an embarassment to the city.

Guest
Guest

Now we have to listen to ths idiot's mother in her broken English on TV saying how her precious boy could never do something like this!! Ummm has she seen him lately? Read his rap sheet? You raised a real top quality anchor there ms. ramirez!!!!

Guest
Guest

What does the way she speak have to do with anything? Racist much??

Guest
Guest

Well let's see....this is America.....and we speak ENGLISH. No doubt she's been in our Country long enough to learn the language but is just too lazy. My taxes pay for ESL classes for these people to take for free, but why should she bother when people like you don't expect her to get with the program? This is not about racism, or giovanni what's his name anymore. It's about Bryan recovering and coming back to work, and catching & punishing the monsters who harmed him.

Lightnapper
Lightnapper

"Soledad"  Now there's some irony. You can't make this stuff up. LA-- gotta love it.

Guest
Guest

Got it!!! Sorry. Hadn't read her name yet. And I messed up, cause surprise surprise her son's name isn't the same as hers.

Guest
Guest

?????? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Hawlky
Hawlky

good article. thank you. i like it.

Jamie the Great
Jamie the Great

Too bad Giovanni cant sue...   Him being on active Parole allowed Law Enforcement to raid his Home at any time without cause..  Guess it doesnt pay to be a criminal who got caught before.

McCourt's Lapdog
McCourt's Lapdog

Just two problems, it wasn't his home and it wasn't his gun.  It was just a political decision timed right before the MLB takeover of the Dodgers.  McCourt called Antonio and got him to move on anyone that fit the description.  Tony got a parole officer to bite - probably his own parole officer from before -on that $250K reward and McCourt ran to the commisioner's office to say that everything was going to be okay.  Just one big political sitcom.  Has there ever been a mayor that has embarassed L.A. more than Villaraigosa?

Guest
Guest

You're funny! You seem to have some really out-there inside info!!! Calling the Mayor "Tony"? So you disrespect him like this, yet feel free to call him by his first name? Shows your respect (lack of) for authority. The people of your City elected him right? This one called that one, and then "McCourt ran to the commisioner's office to say...." Wow. Maybe you should be a detective. Or better yet a fiction author. You seem literate enough, just full of anger and unfounded nonsense. Who cares whose home or gun it was? A parolee knows the rules of association; unless he's too stupid to care and not do more time. Ooops! He's off the hook for Bryan's beating.....let it go already.

Guest
Guest

I have an idea: Get your citizenship and then you can vote in the next Mayoral election.

Guest
Guest

How do you know he or she is not a citizen??

Kelly M. Bray
Kelly M. Bray

I copied this from another post because it says it exactly right....... "Fact-- no need for the gun to be his. He just needs to be around it, and as a condition of his parole G-Dog signed a paper indicating he knew this fact, Understand? Fact--a paroled felon in possession of or around a gun is a crime. In fact, he is now in prison for it. Parole's have no rights. It's how the system works, and they are fully aware of it. Understand? Fact-- being a paroled felon anywhere near a gun is very stupid. In fact, it cost him his freedom. And he already understands what being in prison is all about. Not fun. Really stupid. Understand? Both circumstances are indeed verified facts, Criminal with easy access to gun goes to jail...good citizens happy-- no arrogance intended. And who said anything about trusting the police or believing in a perfect society? But if I call the LAPD for service, they will show up sooner or later-- certainly not you-- and that's all a person can hope for."

Kelly M. Bray
Kelly M. Bray

A parole officer cannot get the reward for actions during his own employment. Try again.

MAINLINEX111
MAINLINEX111

Wow...For Some Reason I "Knew" all Along That He Didn't Do It...Am I Psychic? ...Doubt It...Was I at the Scene ? ..No. ..Am I a Criminal Anylist ?? ..No ,Once Again...But Do I Know How Incompetent The L.A.P.D is And How Racist This Country Is ??? BINGO !

anonymous
anonymous

This is to be expected from the worst Mayor in LA's history.  With all his appointments based on picking weak, character-less, butt kissers, you can't expect any critical thinking from them.  The root cause of all problems in the city are the Mayor & vote 99.9% together City Council.  Help get rid of them & start electing some intelligent, city-caring people.

Apples
Apples

Policing 101: Tell Szabo to learn how allowing the public to think one thing creates misdirection and causes the real perps to get lax and make mistakes.

Policing 102: Don't allow idiots like the Mayor to make you take the fall for his press moron's insane desire to keep his boss in front of a camera.

PR 101: Yo Szabo - reconsider letting midget Mayor use the words " Mission Accomplished" to describe anything. (freaking genius). Hope you're better at Chief of Staff than you were as PR genius.

Happycow_m00
Happycow_m00

Now everyone whom posted racially hate opinions on blogs should man up an apologize. But no that is not going to happen because we live in society of bullies. Including the people who beat the fan and everyone with a negative opinion. This guy here was beaten up on the public stage by all of us. We are no better then the people responsible.

Guest
Guest

WOW. POOR GIOVANNI RAMIREZ. REALLY?????? Do you not remember what "felon" means? It means he has committed serious crimes against others. Probably for years. He should be going away on CA's 3 strikes law for the gun possession anyway. He violated his parole. Get over it now. If he was white, I can guarntee you that the people who were disgusted by this attack would be just as angry.

Brett Hampton
Brett Hampton

Hey, while we're at it, let's just give him a pass on all of his other offenses, and maybe pony up a million or so bucks 'cause he's such a model citizen.

Guest
Guest

Sorry Brett; My reply shouldn't have been towards your post. My mistake.

Guest
Guest

Luckily he can't sue the LAPD, as many of these morons don't understand, because he WAS NEVER CHARGED with this crime. He is where he belongs and the most they owe him is an apology for having his name out there all this time. Nothing more. He is a gang banging felon with ONE of his baby mamas now in custody for trafficking meth. Nice company this genius keeps too. C-R-I-M-I-N-A-L. PERIOD. Get over yourselves with your bleeding heart crap. LAPD did their best, as this guy's attys. already admit. They have already said there is no basis for a civil suit because he's not in jail for Bryan's beating.

Fernnie92
Fernnie92

ur an upset ahole my friend, yes they got him for what he did wrong, but he was also going to do time for a crime he did not commit so like it or not that's the way it works in this united states of America stupid!!

Guest
Guest

How do you figure he was "going to to time" for a crime he was never charged with?

la_weakly
la_weakly

You don't go on fucking TV/ trumpet to the press and say MISSION ACCOMPLISHED Bush style on a carrier without dotting your I and crossing your T. Period. The parole violation is irrelevant to the structure of the case at hand. Look at update 5-8, this wasn't even his house and the gun wasn't even on him. They are making. shit. try. to. stick. Oh trust me, it could be worse (http://youtu.be/RXpMzT5yGp8) but that defeatist "so sad, so bad" attitude lets this shit perpetuate. 

Guest
Guest

This is in reply to la_weakly: I'm sorry you live in an area you're so disgusted with. The point is, they DIDN'T "make it stick" or even try to. They've exonerated him and his attorneys have stated that honest Law Enforcement mistakes are made. He wasn't harmed by this; he's a thug sitting in jail for a parole violation. Ever think of getting out of L.A.? A bigger media case could have been made out of this, but it's not, so why so bitter?

la_weakly
la_weakly

This is the LAPD we're talking about. They'd work to make anything stick.

Adoniasoto
Adoniasoto

instead of defending thier stupidity LAPD needs to admit thier mistake and apologize to giovanni, his family for what they put them thru the victims.family for giving.them false hope and us as citizens for misleading and failing to do their job..

Lightnapper
Lightnapper

For the record, LAPD officers and detectives, despite management's offensive, bumbling political posturing, still put a convicted felon/ known gang member who was on parole and in possession of/ or around a firearm back in jail. Even after being incarcerated, "G-Dog" still could not learn proper conduct and follow a few simple rules to avoid this imprisonment. His subsequent detainment and return to prison is not viewed as a bad thing by decent, honest, law-abiding citizens who are willing to let the police do their jobs, even when it is not an exact science.

Happycow_m00
Happycow_m00

How can you even trust that what they supposedly found is even correct. This is how people in our society become life criminals. We have a system that is plague with mistakes and said mistakes have ruined the lives of millions. We cant trust the police and their investigations thay gin might not even have been his. We dont know and we shouldnt convict anyone with our arrogant opinions and lack of full facts.

Mets Fan
Mets Fan

I am sorry, but that is a simple pathetic pile of BS.  I am as liberal as the day is long and generally side on the side of caution when it comes to civil liberties and rights.  But you sir are simply pathetic.

Lightnapper
Lightnapper

Fact-- no need for the gun to be his. He just needs to be around it, and as a condition of his parole G-Dog signed a paper indicating he knew this fact, Understand? Fact--a paroled felon in possession of or around a gun is a crime. In fact, he is now in prison for it. Parole's have no rights. It's how the system works, and they are fully aware of it. Understand? Fact-- being a paroled felon anywhere near a gun is very stupid. In fact, it cost him his freedom. And he already understands what being in prison is all about. Not fun. Really stupid. Understand? Both circumstances are indeed verified facts, Criminal with easy access to gun goes to jail...good citizens happy-- no arrogance intended. And who said anything about trusting the police or believing in a perfect society? But if I call the LAPD for service, they will show up sooner or later-- certainly not you-- and that's all a person can hope for.

Drop Guns
Drop Guns

Look up "drop guns" if you want some more ammo.  It is a little off topic since it mostly takes place in the war zones we created in Afghanistan and Iraq, but it is not beyond plausibility that it happens here as well.  Drop guns are basically unregistered/ untraceable guns that you carry along with you and can drop at the scene if you need to claim self defense for murdering someone.  The higher ups in the army know about this and let it happen so I'm sure the higher ups in our domestic force have the same mindset.

Stephanie Ciara Kesinger
Stephanie Ciara Kesinger

FUCK YA!! THATS MY BOY THATS MY MUTHAFUKIN BOYYY!!!!!!

Guest
Guest

YOUR MOTHER MUST BE SO PROUD OF HER DAUGHTER. WOW.

Ki
Ki

Sadly there will be some who will say, "he's guilty anyway!" which is how the real "perps" end up walking away. Do your job and solve the cases before you. Lazy work is killing this country. Every profession is weighted down in laziness. It is said that %70 percent of Americans are over weight. So much so that it's called a disease, soon laziness will be called one too, for that's what happens when a nation is consumed with TV, cell phones, sex, drugs, drinking, shopping, video games all these unnecessary luxuries. Not to fear technology is hitting other countries and they will be as lazy as America in no time, for every McDonalds that shows up in other countries it will slowly, or in twenty years yield a country and ultimately a world of over weight lazy people who do a terrible days work, looking to take shortcuts instead taking their time to thoroughly submerge themselves in a self disciplined manner. Yes, a wild tangent!

la_weakly
la_weakly

Any Latino, we're watching you. -LAPD, the shit crime solvers.

Turk Ferguson
Turk Ferguson

Any "Latino"?   What nonsense!   You make it sound as if they reached into a hat (filled with Latino names) and pulled out a piece of paper with his name.  No, I think Latinos are generally safe in L.A.  Latino GANG MEMBERS and PAROLEES in L.A., however, may have good reason to be on edge (as are gang members and parolees of any ethnicity).   

Just Another Vendido
Just Another Vendido

"reached into a hat (filled with Latino names) and pulled out a piece of paper with his name."  Isn't that how the westside power structure picked Villaraigosa to be "their" Latino Tom Bradley?  Growing up in the barrio we always feared the Latino cop with white partner.  He just needed to prove that he wasn't one of us "cholos" and he went the extra abusive mile to prove his case to his white superiors - that is how Villaraigosa comes out in this story.  As the vendido cop and Frank McCourt as his superior.  Pendejo!

Guest
Guest

@guest; This is me being slow, but I don't understand the Cherokee comment!

Guest
Guest

AZEMS, that rant didn't sound like Cherokee to me.

Guest
Guest

THIS IS ME CRYING TEARS FOR YOU "GROWING UP IN THE BARRIO"....and then throwing up a little. Give us a break. If you don't like it there, or have respect for the Police force in your city, you could always go back to Mexico. Growing up in poverty or a bad, poor neighborhood COULD be because your family came here illegally in the 1st place, and you believe that the welfare, free food, housing and education (haha) we provide isn't enough for you. Oh, and next time ~ could you please speak English in America? Somehow you can afford a computer, so maybe you could take some English classes as well. Those are free to illegals as well. GET A JOB!!!!!

Kelly M. Bray
Kelly M. Bray

His parole officer who knew him well and thought he was the suspect. Not pulled from a hat. He would not have a parole officer, if he was not a three time felon. Why waste anymore breath on him. He is in prison where he belongs.

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