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Electric Daisy Carnival Rave Wants to Return to L.A: After Hollywood Near-Riot 'Los Angeles Times' Says Hell No

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Dennis Romero
Cops vs. ravers on Hollywood Boulevard.
We here at the Weekly have gotten some shit for affiliating the premier of a documentary about the controversial Electric Daisy Carnival rave with the chaos that ensued outside the theater last week.

EDC organizers say a DJ's free performance on Hollywood Boulevard Wednesday had nothing to do with the nearby screening that day of Electric Daisy Carnival Experience (even though that DJ features prominently in the film, and a permit service for the red-carpet event that was originally marketed as being hosted by EDC's promoters told us the spinner featured prominently in the event's planning).

Well, over the weekend the Los Angeles Times minced no words: EDC should never return to L.A. following the near-riot in Hollywood, the paper editorialized:


... Even if Wednesday's incident wasn't Insomniac's fault (and if it was, it should reimburse the city), controversy and conflict seem to follow the company like a bad smell.

The paper notes that two deaths were affiliated with EDC's Dallas party this year and that a 15-year-old died of an ecstasy overdose after she attended EDC at the L.A. Coliseum last year.

That sparked some outrage: The Coliseum is a publicly run venue. EDC saw 60 mostly drug-related arrests, 226 medical emergencies, and 114 hospitalizations.

As part of its effort to lobby the Coliseum Commission to allow EDC to continue there, EDC argued through experts and officials on its side that the 160,000-attendance, two-day festival was no different in terms of arrests and medical emergencies than any other kind of concert.

It was an argument made by commissioner and City Councilman Bernard Parks. Some even suggested that electronic music shows at the Hollywood Bowl were fairly similar.

But ... a concert called L.A. Rising featuring Rage Against the Machine Saturday at the Coliseum reported drew 60,000 people and, according to what Los Angeles Fire Department spokesman Cecil Manresa told the Weekly, only 16 medical emergencies were reported.

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[Added]: LAPD Deputy Chief Patrick Gannon tells the Weekly there were four arrests at L.A. Rising, which actually saw about 53,000 people by his count.

The arrests were for fighting and included one assault with a deadly weapon collar because the suspect allegedly used his feet, he said.

"We didn'tsee the level of drugs present here that we saw at the raves," Gannon said.

Meanwhile Insomniac's Audiotistic rave at the National Orange Show Event Center on Saturday drew about 19,000 people and saw only three transports to hospitals, San Bernardino County emergency medical services coordinator Bernie Horak told the Weekly.

We're trying to get arrest numbers, if any, from the San Bernardino Police Department.

[Added No. 2]: San Bernardino police Lt. Eric McBride says there were 43 arrests, including 35 for alleged sales or possession of narcotics, 5 for suspected vandalism, 2 for public intoxication and 1 for trespassing.

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An LAPD sergeant told us there were "several" arrests, and we have a call in to a commander to find out exactly how many.

Following the EDC 2010 controversy, which included Times reports that a Coliseum official was working for EDC's promoter, Insomniac Events, on the side, the party moved to Las Vegas in June. But Insomniac chief Pasquale Rotella says he wants to come back to the rave's hometown.

The Times says hell no:

We couldn't be happier that Insomniac has taken its act there [to Sin City]. This is definitely a situation in which we hope that what goes to Vegas stays in Vegas.

[@dennisjromero/djromero@laweekly.com]


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ObeyLexis
ObeyLexis

So Is Edc Coming Back To La ?

Elias
Elias

Fuck Off LA Times! The Electric Daisy Carnival should come back to it's hometown! It Was Born Here. The Only Reason People Died Is Because Of Irresponsibility. I Have Always Wanted To Go To The Electric Daisy Carnival And Now That It's In Vegas I Have To Drive 400 Miles! 8 Hours Just To Get To The Most Spectacular Show On Earth. FUCK YOU Los Angeles Times.

Christopher Reed
Christopher Reed

Dennis Romero is a douchebag riding so far up the ass of Insomniacs Coattails it's not even funny.

he's nothing more than a garbage gossip queen attention whore. he most certainly is NOT a journalist.

Andrewejaramillo
Andrewejaramillo

It wasn't going to be a riot. Everyone just wanted to go see Kaskade perform for free... I mean who wouldn't? Nobody likes a party being broken up ya know. 

Really?
Really?

I'll take people using drugs over fights, fires, and assualts with deadly weapons anyday.  Get numbers of how many undercover cops were working each event and you might have a statistic but still i've never heard of an arrest for fighting or assault at a rave. 

Robdoggy
Robdoggy

It's pretty sad that EDC / Insomniac events Is being label like this they have been around since 1993 and up till 2010 you and the media have. given them a bad rap more like a scared tacted it is heart felt that life was lost at EDC. But happy to say it was not the fault of EDC/Insomniac events but the media is so quick to point the fingers the lost of life that occurred was that of the individuals fault they chosen to take the drugs that caused them to OD.It could have happen in a club at there house in a park or on the beach but it didn't when the media saids things like there was a 147 arrest 60 people had to be rushed to the hospital and blah blah blah but here is the bottom line the city and the police and hospital seen each case as dollar signs police got extra funding for events like this city and courts made money on the fines that was given hopitals made profit that day and so on and so on. So please stop blaming EDC/Insomniac events start blaming each individuals that cause the problem just like this in 2002 in the state of Connecticut I was on tour with Dave Matthew's and there was a riot at the arena what caused it was the police overreacting and they shot and killed a person but the media was so quick to blame Dave Matthew's that  was cause of it was his concert that a riot and someone was killed

Yorkm22
Yorkm22

This is not insomniacs fault is they had planned this event it would have been an 18 and older event like every other event they have if EDC were to return to LA and am pretty sure that people will keep there cool like at EDC LV. the hollywood riot had nothing to do with EDC! end of story

Blah
Blah

Only if they promise us more overdose deaths.

Dennis Dean
Dennis Dean

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Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

San Bernardino PD got back to me: 43 arrests, mostly drug-related at Audiotistic, which saw 19,000 people. Compare that to four at LA Rising, with 53,000.

JackM82
JackM82

Your contacting San Bern PD for arrest records of Audiotistic....and you say you do NOT have an obsession with insomniac and writing negative articles?!  Now that is a BIG FAT HYPOCRITE!!! Unreal man. Seriously, PLEASE move on and get a life. 

KT
KT

How much of that has to do with increased patrolling at EDM events?  More cops = more arrests. So please find out how many cops were at Audiotistic (or EDC) vs. LA Rising or it's an essentially meaningless statistic.

Strumpling
Strumpling

Yeah the system itself seems to be biased toward these events (rightfully so? I don't think so..), so they tend to do lots of undercover operations and really look to get some decent arrest numbers.

EGOMANIAC
EGOMANIAC

dennis  great reporting,   try looking at the number of undercover officers working nacro related detail vs each show, you will find that Audio was overstocked with undercover officers looking while  @f805af442fcf0d86fd8f63d78ca13e76:disqus  La Rising  if was a uniformed  approach and it was a free for all on the floor seating......ravers dont start fires and dj's dont promote civil unrest........ I rest my case.....and all you idiots that think EDC was a success in Vegas you are sorely mistaken... they lost their f""ing "" rear ends.....

Strumpling
Strumpling

EDC Brought a LOT of money to Las Vegas, Egomaniac. The hotels, casinos, restaurants, and so on were I'm sure very pleased with the crowd there. It was a success for the city, maybe not Insomniac... yet.

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

I added a link, above, to the line, "But Insomniac chief Pasquale Rotella says he wants to come back to the rave's hometown," to a piece in which he says as much. He also told me as much in an email.

Sorry I didn't include it earlier. I though surely those who would call out my journalism and personal motives would at least be up to speed.

Rachel Kaplan
Rachel Kaplan

Thank you for supplying that link - and yes now I do remember seeing that. However, I believe it was taken out of context as he stated in the future meaning after said contract and perhaps one day. Trust me, the last thing I think LA could handle right now (or any time soon) is a major festival that holds as many people as a city. 

And yes words are defined by the people that use them but words also have undertone and meaning related to the context of the communicator and the medium. The word "rave" has a very negative connotation in the media. When the fact remains that EDC, just as much as Coachella, Outside Lands, Creamfields, etc. is a "music festival." I have not heard anyone at Insomniac use the word "rave" since it became apparent that it had a negative meaning years ago. So yes it is defined by the people that use them but it is also defined by the people who absorb them. 

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

Rachel:

You're mistaken. The promoter wants to come back as Vegas runs concurrently, which is what Rotella told me directly.

Perhaps the word gets a negative connotation when people die from ecstasy use, there are dozens of drug arrests, hospitals get overwhelmed with E OD victims, and things get out of hand at music "festivals." But that's not ravey at all. Let's change it up then. We'll call that festivaly. Ecstasy using dance music fans will become festivalers and festival-tards. Good. That cleanses it.

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

Rachel:

It's not my job to blame anyone, just to point out the facts. I never blamed a "genre." (You really should go back and read some of my coverage).

If Bonnarroo happened at a publicly run venue in L.A. you can be damn sure I'd be covering it. But it didn't. It was far away from L.A.

I cover what happens here, mostly. And seeing how two different events size up at the Coliseum is a good way to compare notes. So just look at the numbers for LA Rising and EDC, above, and make your own conclusion and come to your own connotations.

Rachel Kaplan
Rachel Kaplan

Thank you for clarifying what Rotella said about coming back to LA. I was mistaken. However, I still think it is a bad idea for any festival to come back to LA. 

Re: your other comments: I am not saying drugs don't happen. Read my first post. They happen everywhere - at every festival. Overdoses happen everywhere. All I said is that it has nothing to do solely with one genre nor one type of fan. It has to do with irresponsible kids. Negative connotation has nothing to do with the drug deaths in the way you describe it or they would be a negative connotation for every major music festival in America. Case in point: No negative connotation when speaking of Bonnoroo but they have had a crap ton of deaths (two this year alone). But that is ok because it wasn't dance music fans right? You want to blame someone blame youth culture, blame parents who let their 15 year old girls go out half naked to music festivals with no sense of responsibility or self control. Just don't blame a genre of music - that stereotype has nothing to do with true dance music fans or true fans of the entire idea of music festivals. 

LeagueofAntiRavers
LeagueofAntiRavers

Silly Ravers!  He has been ordered by his boss to cover raves.  Dennis is a very highly regarded Journalist and would not be writing cover stories for the LA Weekly otherwise. 

C.E.O. 

Rachel Kaplan
Rachel Kaplan

Is this even journalism? EDC does not want to come back they signed a contract with Las Vegas and they made Las Vegas A LOT of money. 

Hospital visits: Please get your facts straight. And quit mentioning deaths unless you want to also mention the 10 Bonnoroo deaths that have happened since 2002. 

LA Rising: I was there and I saw just as many drugs as with EDC, Coachella, etc. And the ratios of hospital visits based on number of attendees seems about right. 

Hospital visits happen at every music festival. Blame lack of water. Blame the heat. And yes, blame drugs (yeah LA weekly but drugs happen at 100% of music festivals). . Damn I fainted at Coachella while stone cold sober (lack of water) and ended up in the first aid tent (oh uh I added to the hospital count...). 

Just stop blaming the genre. Every music festival runs into the same exact issues. Put over 100k people dancing around in the same spot for eight hours on end and it is par for the course. Oh and please stop calling these things raves (again what kind of journalism is this)? Raves are defined as underground and illegal - EDC is paid for with permits, law enforcement and legitimate tickets with actual legal terms and conditions. It is a music festival that focuses on one genre of music. 

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

Rachel:

Actually the promoter has stated it does want to come back to L.A. despite its contract in Las Vegas.

Words are defined mainly by usage, Rachel. Since most people who attend parties like EDC call them raves, they are raves. Also, the promoter even called its own events raves in the 1990s, and those events were legit. So at what point did they stop becoming raves? When a marketing professional said that wasn't the way to go? Finally, illicit, underground parties have in fact given way to major events that have almost sucked all the air out of the underground, so raves have evolved. But feel free to call them what you like.

Again, before impugning my journalism, I'd suggest you google my 20 years worth of coverage. Take care.

Dennis

Nick Ottrando
Nick Ottrando

Horrible article..you think EDC is going to come back to LA after the success that it had in Vegas? You literally have no idea what you're talking about, just another person trying to be controversial when you fail to realize why problems such as riots and death occur. It has nothing to do with the promoter, it has to do with the audience, and the proof of that is the comparison of EDC Las Vegas to EDC LA. Don't ever write an article about this again unless you're going to educate yourself. The first comment literally destroys your argument, and your rebuttal to it was hilariously embarrassing, completely ignoring the main point.

I feel bad for whoever hired you, pathetic.

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

Nick:

You don't know what you're talking about. Google my name and "dance music."

Nick Ottrando
Nick Ottrando

HA cool, you write a blog, wow dude you're such a credible source who automatically knows everything on a topic because you blog about it. Accept the fact that you're another garbage reporter who does nothing but skew and over react on things to cause controversy. Its pathetic, and basically every form of media does it, especially to Insomnia. I'm guessing you're one of those people who says "Oh no! a 15 year old girl died at this rave, ban it forever!". What if a person was to go to a football game and drink them self to death? Should football games be banned at that stadium? When you buy a ticket to an event, you're responsible for yourself, its your own fault if you die from overdose. If people go riot in the streets at a free event that WASN'T even organized by insomniac, who's fault is it?

Please bandwagon more and keep thinking that makes you a good reporter hahaha. This is a garbage article that literally every other form of media is spinning to make insomnia look bad, bravo.

JackM82
JackM82

Dennis what is your obsession with pasquale and edc bro? Seriously, do you have pictures of pasquale on your bedroom wall? Come clean, be honest, your a dj who never made it so now for the last 2 years you posted negative slanted opinions overrr and overrrr again. I see no othe reason for your obsession so if you have a real confession, come clean bro.

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

 Jack:

Way to blame the messenger. I didn't even write the original editorial, the Times did, yet you're going after me personally.

I have no animosity toward Pasquale or Insomniac. In my few dealings with him and his organization I've been treated with respect and hospitality. But I have to report the facts.

I've been a professional, fulltime journalist since I graduated from college two decades ago. I have spun on and off over the years alongside some fairly amazing people, and I even got producer credit on a couple compilations. I never even began to try to "make it" as a DJ: What I did was try to get a first person view behind the scenes in dance music, since I've been writing about it for so long. It was a good experience. It helps me call bullshit. A lot.

JackM82
JackM82

No animosity than how come you have posted LITERALLY over 40 blogs/articles JUST on the topic of EDC/Pasquale/Insomniac. Are you that sheltered out there? Your writings come across as someone who has an obsession, NOT just a fan. And if EVERY single comment on this thread is negative towards you and your writing, why not hang it up and try your hand at something else? I'm being serious. Nobody likes you. You've had more spelling and grammar errors over the years than a kid in 2nd grade, your constantly "ragging" on the EDM community. You act like you  know everything because Pasquale emailed you. You talked about this year's EDC and how it would've been better with Lady Gaga?! Yet you barely mentioned REAL legendary, classic talent that was there. Give us ALL a break. Hang it up. Stop writing negative fluff pieces about electronic music.Move on. Your a loser. Period. Oh, and I was backstage at an EDC this year and we all had a LONG talk about the negative press etc,. Nobody knew who you were, nobody cared, they just wanted to be appreciated for what was GOOD about the events, instead of people like you constantly shining a light on the few wrongs. Lastly, You never even mentioned ONCE wrote an article about the death of a fan at a Dodgers game? So you basically DO have an obsession.1 more article about EDC or electronic events in general and the next step is we all write a nice letter to LA Weekly asking for you to be removed. Now get a life ass. 

KT
KT

You're really reporting on someone else's story?  That's not a story, that's a link.  You're working by the word, aren't you?

Also, you completely underplayed the small number of hospital transports at Audiotistic.  I think that's called "burying the lede," Dennis.  

Why didn't you have a story blaring, "Small Number of Transports at Insomniac Rave"?  That story should also include the reasons for the hospital transports. But, despite your insistence that you love "facts," you refuse to find out (or divulge) certain important ones.

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

KT:

Again, you have reading issues: I'm reporting to a Times EDITORIAL, in which the might of the paper's publisher is thrown in any direction that its powers please. This would be separate from a story, but I wouldn't expect you to know that.

If one of the most powerful institutions in town is saying we shouldn't do this controversial, news-generating party, that's news to me.

No I don't get paid by the word.

You should commend me for my balance in including the Audiotistic numbers. I went out of my way to make the call.

Now if I had written a separate story about how great Audiostitic was, I doubt you would have commented. Irony?

 

KT
KT

Dennis:

1) You once surmised that I had a background in journalism because I knew what a "pull-quote" was.  Additionally, I used the term "burying the lede" in the same message you accuse me of knowing nothing about journalism.  I'm sure the irony is lost on you. At any rate, I was using "story" colloquially, and isn't it just like you to pick up on a point that is completely inessential to the conversation?

2) The LA Times is a "powerful institution"?  Seems you haven't heard about the death of print.

3) Actually, Dennis, I *have* commended you before, but either you've forgotten or you decided not to read my comments.  After one article (can't recall which right now) I left an absolutely sincere remark that I appreciated you not being snarky in that particular article.   It added to the overall impact of the article in a positive way.

4) Thanks for going to the effort of putting in the Audiotistic numbers.  I still think you're burying the lede, though.

drew
drew

I would've commended you for finally being unbiased...but you as a journalist have FAILED to do that. Write an unbiased article for once, then you can call yourself a journalist.

Strumpling
Strumpling

hi guize I'm Dennis Romero. hmm what can I write about today? ooo goody my buddies over at the LA Times printed an article!

"breaking news: the la times has an article relevant to my interests!!"

guest
guest

"We didn'tsee the level of drugs present here that we saw at the raves,"Really?!?!? Everywhere I looked at LA Rising I saw someone smoking marijuana, and you can't tell that everyone had to smoke it for medical reasons. It's great to see how the media targets just one group of people and try  to make them look bad. At EDC nobody tore tents down and they didn't start fires. 

Don't you just love the media?

TomClayman
TomClayman

Does LA need EDC, or does EDC need LA?  I think the latter.  Keep it in Vegas.

Brett Hampton
Brett Hampton

I disagree that the event or a concert film about the event should be banned.  We now know that extra security and a much heavier police presence is necessary, because, as kchiles says below, the attendees are apparently "uneducated retards."

kchiles
kchiles

270k attended the Las Vegas EDC with no deaths reported (60K from LA Rising seems about weak right now.)

This is not the first time a riot has happened due to a free concert happening in Hollywood. System of a Down played several years ago in Hollywood and caused a massive riot. Grow up people, apparently LA is full of uneducated retards, this isn't the fault of Insomniac.

EGOMANIAC
EGOMANIAC

edc saw 215k paid and lost 1.8 million and was a complete lost, production still has yet to be paid and its over 30 days late... now after audiotistics loss this weekend with 18k total attendance needing 27k to brake seems like INSOMNIAC is losing losing losing, but  the fact remains  That la Rising was just as violent or worse, I was involved in 3 fights with the same guys for punching my girlfriend, a person scaled the speaker delay tower  and was doing the curious george from the top,,,..

not only  was La Rising as bad if not worse then EDC,   listen  ravers dont start fires, dj's dont promote civil unrest ..... i love rage and i love my raves    but the fact remains  this La risingshow was ubsafe and out of control

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

K:

Not even EDC's promoter claims 270k. My estimate, based on what organizers and police told me on the days I was there, was closer to 215.

anthony909
anthony909

Dennis, all you do is bitch bitch and bitch about anything Insomniac does.  Are you mad that you never had fun when you were younger or something.  You are not even a real journalist, get a life.

I would love to see you in person one day.

Strumpling
Strumpling

Feel free to ignore the actual point of this guy's post.

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

Strump:

What's the point, that System had problems with a free concert? You think they're ever going to be allowed to do that again?

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