Buy Spray Paint in L.A., Give Your Address And ID For a Possible Police File Under Councilman Dennis Zine's Anti-Graffiti Proposal

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Updated at the bottom with reaction from the ACLU, which says this might not survive a constitutional challenge (what with freedom of speech and all). First posted at 2:35 p.m.

Dennis Zine is the L.A. City Councilman who successfully got Aaron Brothers to back off its graffiti-themed back-to-school promotion in L.A.

And even after the rousing success of the Museum of Contemporary Art's "Art in the Streets" exhibition, Zine don't stop.

He's now targeting people who buy aerosol paint:


Zine has introduced a motion that would require stores to get and keep your name and address if you buy spray cans and "graffiti paraphernalia" such as "spray paint nozzles, paint pens, glass cutting, and etching tools," according to a statement from the councilman's office.

Stores would ask for your ID and copy down the info.

[Added]: According to Zine's statement:

Portland requires that every store which sells graffiti materials must also create a record of each sale for each transaction of these materials. They are required to obtain identification about the individual who makes each purchase and maintain a secure record of these sales for two years. Councilman Zine has asked the Chief Legislative Analyst, the City Attorney, and the Los Angeles Police Department to review the graffiti point of purchase recorded identification program as conducted in Portland and to report to the Public Safety Committee on its merits and potential adoption by the City of Los Angeles.

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Now, call us stupid (and many of you have), but this seems like an utter invasion of privacy and free speech. The number of times we're told our ID needs to be recorded these days (buying cold medicine, at the club) is getting out-of-hand.

Now a City Councilman wants your home address because you're buying paint? And let's just bring up free speech here: If you buy a marking pen, which you could use to create signs to express your opinion about, oh, say, a certain city leader, that leader gets to see your address?

Tell you what, Dennis. Show us your address first. Let's just keep that on record too.

This is patently un-American and it comes from, strangely, quite the flag-waving, gun-toting councilman.

He wants city officials, including the City Attorney and the LAPD, to review Portland's own, similar program and report back on whether its feasible here. We'll save you some time, D: No.

He also wants the City Council to vote in a law that would require paint and art-supply stores to post signs warning buyers that graffiti vandalism is "a crime punishable by fines and imprisonment ... "

Fine, Zine. We've been warned. (And for sure this will stop the local tag-banger in his tracks).

Zine also wants an update on the city's "graffiti tracker" program, which uses cellphone shots and security video to document taggers on-the-loose.

The councilman:

My goal is to create laws that will assist law enforcement and ultimately reduce the number of incidents of graffiti vandalism. In my role as a City Councilman and a LAPD Reserve Officer, I want to explore all avenues that will help eradicate graffiti from the streets of Los Angeles.

He says L.A. taxpayers spent $7.1 million on graffiti abatement last year.

Even though L.A. is shaping up to be a global capital of graffiti art, we're going to guess that Zine isn't going to be collecting the work by Shepard Fairey, Revok and Futura any time soon.

Update: ACLU staff attorney Peter Bibring tells the Weekly he doesn't think requiring IDs and addresses for paint would be constitutional and that, if enacted, such an ordinance would have a hard time surviving court challenges:

They're potentially making a suspect out of everyone who buys a certain kind of paint. You're syaing anybody who buys a particular kind of art material is singled out as a potential criminal suspect. Singling out a First Amendment activity is potentially a prob under the constitution.

Bibring also says that while certain crime-attracting businesses, such as car-part sales or pawn shops, require similar information tracking, this particular array of products is affiliated so strongly with freedom of expression that singling it out for IDs would attract court challenges.

"The problem is where you start that inquiry with peole who produce a particular kind of art that may very well be lawful," he said.

Finally, California also has strong privacy laws that might challenge enforcement of such an ordiance, Bibring said:

... A privacy amendment of the California constitution was put in place specifically to prevent businesses and governments from collecting vast amounts of info about peoples lawful actions.

In other words, good luck with that, councilman.

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Mleedennis
Mleedennis

Portland's ordinance doesn't require an address...photo ID, signature, and DL # or type of ID shown...Graffiti vandalism is illegal not a right protected by law.

drops1
drops1

Real nigas come up. This Only creates paper work for the stores and headaches for legit customers.

Binacadouche
Binacadouche

Zine's an idjut. If you know LA, then you know the next city is mere minutes away. You can legally 'import' all the art supplies you want.  (Americuh is like that, Zine.) It would make a cool episode of Law and Order, though.  "That's right, neon green. The lab says it's definitely Rustoleum. The bad news is, our database shows 6,000 cans of that stuff flew off the shelves in the past six months...but we've tracked all of the buyers' positions from their iphones. Only 40 were in the vicinity of the grafitti location on the night in question. Let's get moving!" 

ABProsper
ABProsper

The idea, limiting spray paint is a good one  but no implementation is not going to work.

You'd either have to ban a lot of art supplies which is dubiously legal at best or have a background check for spray paint which is unenforceable. A registry would have zip effect.

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ImpressedByTexabillies

In the ghettos where alot of the graffiti is it does beautify the trashed out neighborhoods. What bugs the crackers is when it gives a voice to minorities. They don't want to hear or see that voice.

remmy123
remmy123

I dont think it bugs the 'crackers' because minorities get a voice. More of it just looks like shit 9 times out of 10 and its on personal property cracker or not. Picture this, you own a 3 story commercial building that takes up a quarter block and the rooms inside are leased to private companies. It cost you recently $5k to have the street side painted fresh pain to attract these businesses. Then along comes some shit head with a 'voice' and tags your wall from corner to corner. Now you have on of the businesses call you angrily saying you need to fix the paint job again because its ruining their 'image' and not to mention looks like shit and they dont want to be known for that. Now you have to pay more $ to fix the wall.

And the cycle goes on.

Disposable+la
Disposable+la

So not only will your hardware stores and art supply stores have to keep records, but so will auto parts stores - that's where I've bought most of the spray paint I've used.  That, or people will buy paint in nearby cities instead of LA itself.

anonymous
anonymous

Zine is a media whore who wants his name in print, now that this unqualified man is running for City Controller.  Remember, a few months back he made a big splash about asking for a report back on city car abuses.  He knows that the media will never question him about the results.  Please ask him about what he has done about the five city planners caught on video driving a city car to lunch in another city.  Absolutely nothing.  They are still collecting a paycheck on taxpayer dime.

Guest
Guest

Someone should tag this asshole's house.

SatansUnholyMinion
SatansUnholyMinion

Lets bring back fake id's, cause I'll use anything to vandalize, time to start saving my poop.

323818213
323818213

Do not do it. Really paint? theirs way bigger crime that needs to be fought and your old ass is crying about paint?

Come on get a real job. tired of politicians sitting around playing "Pinky & the Brain"Stop being a gestapo, aristocratic, dictator control freak.Now i understand why most 4-5 year old children are scared of old people.

BT
BT

Can't buy certain allergy/cold medication without id either. Meth labs and all. This seems to be a sane approach. If you're not tagging, no worries. Tagging and vandalism are a blight on our communities and costs us tons of $$$. Wish the ACLU would fight for our right to live in a tag free Los Angeles.

whippersnapper
whippersnapper

Right. I want a bunch of min. wage, uneducated clerks at Home Depot knowing where I live. Bad enough wading through the day laborers lining the entrance.

JohnnyLA
JohnnyLA

Spray cans are first, then what?

Oil paint and brushes, because, you know, they might switch to that for tagging..

Then the watercolor paint..because, you know, if you ingest it can cause bodily harm.

Then pencils..because, you know, if it's sharpened it can be used as a weapon by those spray paint thugs..

TruthTeller
TruthTeller

Where is the ACLU on the city of LA requiring the giving of ID, thumbprint & address to purchase ammunition.  Another constitutionally protected activity.  Are some constituional amendments more equal than others?

ABProsper
ABProsper

A good chunk of the American Left and of the ACLU types  willfully refuses to see the 2nd amendment for what it is, an  individual right not be infringed.

I guess the writings of the people who wrote the document are less important than some politically appointed Judge , a philosophy I understand though I find it absurd.

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