Jay Cicinelli, ex-LAPD Officer, Charged With Manslaughter in Kelly Thomas Beating; Fullerton Cop Manuel Ramos Gets Murder

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The Orange County DA says ex-LAPD cop Jay Cicinelli went rogue.
The Orange County District Attorney has handed surprisingly harsh charges to two of the six cops who allegedly beat mentally ill homeless man Kelly Thomas, 37, to death in July.

Fullerton officer Manuel Ramos gets the worst of the DA's wrath: "second-degree murder" and "involuntary manslaughter." And, most notably for us up north, KNX news radio is Tweeting that a former LAPD cop named Jay Cicinelli has been charged with "involuntary manslaughter" and "excessive use of force."

Cicinelli only has one eye, after losing the other in a 1990s L.A. shooting:

He was shot six times in an on-duty attack in South Los Angeles in 1996. The former Marine was said to have been only two weeks into his first job as a cop when that happened. The confrontation took his left eye, gave him a permanent stay-home pass, and put a disability check from the city in his mailbox.

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Kelly Thomas, victim of police brutality.
Outlook was grim this morning for Thomas' supporters, who showed up to the courthouse to rally for justice. The victim's father, Ron Thomas, told reporters that the heavy security presence was a sign cops were preparing for a light ruling (and therefore an angry mob). Looks like District Attorney Tony Rackauckas just proved him wrong.

Along with the ACLU, who had claimed the Orange County DA had a terrible track record of non-investigation and lax punishment for police crimes, and should be taken off the case.

Ramos' attorney just went on the radio this afternoon, saying today's decision is unprecedented -- and dangerous. He argues this decision might make law enforcement throughout SoCal scared to do their jobs, in fear similarly harsh charges might be brought against them.

Is that the sound of accountability we hear? Updates to come.

Update: Before doling out today's charges, the District Attorney reviewed "151 witness statements, videos of the beating, medical reports and police statements," according to the Los Angeles Times. Ron Thomas, a former cop himself, had a lot to do with gathering witnesses and making sure no stone was left unturned in the DA's investigation. Just this month, Thomas' lawyer announced that the young homeless man had died from blunt force trauma to the head -- and, after viewing the priceless witness video, it'd be hard to attribute that force to anyone but the cops.

Update: Cicinelli's felony "involuntary manslaughter" charge could get him two to four years in prison and up to $10,000 in fines, according to the California Penal Code. But worse, if he's found guilty, will be "the loss of the right to own or possess a firearm" and the civil lawsuit that will almost certainly follow.

For the latest in this developing triumph, we recommend following the OC Weekly's extensive Kelly Thomas coverage.

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Nanette Valencia
Nanette Valencia

"afraid to do their jobs" Hahahaha! Please, what a crock... yes, I'll bet cops all over now are worried if they beat an innocent person to death they won't be able to get away with it like the good old days

Kataustintx
Kataustintx

Who cares what was wrong w this man!!! Where on earth did it EVER CONSTITUTE the MURDER he suffered! That fat rat n that no eye mother need a serious raping in prison and i hope to GOD they get one when there

Anon
Anon

It gives a sense of faith in the law and country when all men are seen as equal in the eyes of the law. Truly a violent, horrible and unnecessary death, and thank goodness there was a CCTV camera to record this so justice can be brought for the family.

Mwandrack
Mwandrack

Ramos' attorney :  'He argues this decision might make law enforcement throughout SoCal scared to do their jobs, in fear similarly harsh charges might be brought against them."  WTF?Dipshit lawyer, if you are an honest cop who does his job and doesn't break the law why would you be scared to your job?  The fear of similary harsh charges brought against them would ONLY happen if they broke the law and weren't doing their jobs.  If you do your job right and don't murder people then you have nothing to fear.  What a fearmongering scumbag.

anonymous
anonymous

At least, the cops are being charged.  When has the LA DA Cooley ever charged LAPD for similar brutal crimes.

littlebuddy12345
littlebuddy12345

Judging from the extreme amount of time it took to charge these cops, is very telling.  I have no faith in the City of Fullerton.  The fullerton police dept actually allowed the police to view the video tape first, before filling out their paperwork!  how many suspects are given the evidence before submitting any type of feedback?  Just cops.  Innocent cops of course!  With the video in hand, they DA didn't know whether or not to bring charges??  If one man did that to another, and didn't stop till he was dead, charges would be brought in a heartbeat.  But 6 proffesionally trained cops with tasers just beat the holy hell out of 1 man, and the District Attorney doesn't know whether they did anything wrong for months!!  Now he brings charges against 2!!  I think the fix is in.  Let's see what happens in the end!

Nando
Nando

Another American shocker:  the Latino cop gets murder and the others get excessive force.  Real justice...

Kataustintx
Kataustintx

The taco eating wetback is the one who started it u dumazz

Amarquez0708
Amarquez0708

The reason for that is ramos had said something to kelly while putting on gloves that could be considered as him going into the situation with the mentality of seriously hurting and even killing kelly. It was something that the defense could use as evidence against ramos.

anonymous
anonymous

Why is the ex-LAPD officer collecting a disability check from LA taxpayers fit to be a Fullerton cop?  Any charges being filed against him for this?

Halucy Duh
Halucy Duh

He wasn't. He was told he couldn't work any more for the LAPD, and was put on disability. He wanted to continue to work as a police officer, and the Fullerton PD hired him. Seems fact checkers don't do their jobs well either.

Lenny
Lenny

A charge is not a conviction.

According to the above story, "Along with the ACLU, who had claimed the Orange County DA had a terrible track record of non-investigation and lax punishment for police crimes, and should be taken off the case."

During the trail could the DA prosecute the case in such a fashion as to give the defendants a break?We may not see a conviction. Are police officers seen as better people than houseless ones in the eyes of our justice system? Hopefully justice is still blind.

Should the charge for Ramos been first degree murder, and a hate crime? Ramos told Kelly he was going to beat him. Ramos did know Kelly. Is there a dislike or hate for the houseless as officers deal with them daily?

Should the officers that stood there and did nothing to stop the beating be charged as well, or at the very least removed from the police department?

Will these defendants be on paid leave and still on the police force before and during the trail? If so, should these defendants be on paid vacation at our expense?

Peace and Love in the name of my Lord Jesus Christ,Lenny

Larry Wasser
Larry Wasser

Man, my if's.If I got an adult son who's mentally ill, with all my power and means, I would keep him in my home to care for him until the last days of our lives together. If my adult son who's mentally ill, homeless and he died in the street from whatever reason, I'd be 100% responsible for his death. If my son who's mentally ill, homeless, wandered the streets late at night, beaten to death by cops, I'd turn myself to justice and forgive the cops.To everyone: If one day, you see a mentally ill homeless man screaming "Help, Dad," please find his missing father for him.If you've seen a homeless man on your way to work everyday then one day, he's not there, do you miss him? If you do, please find him and offer your home to him.

Michael Miller
Michael Miller

You cannot always keep your children holed in your home. Being mentally ill does not make one incapable. Hope those officers fry

Amarquez0708
Amarquez0708

I completely agree. His father had even said they had expected a call about his sons death. But just not in this manner. He had a restraining order against his son. He had choked his mother before. He was violent. He was self medicating himself with meth. If you have a loved one who cannot care for himself and know he is violent its your responsibility to take care of him. Not all Fullerton PD deserve a bad reputation. I know several officers who would give hime money for food because he would harrass and get in peoples faces for money...yes, there was a lot of force used against this man. But I don't know how many of you have ever dealt with a schizophrenic man medicating himself with meth. They're extremely strong, and do not respond to normal force. The officers involved should have consequences, but to judge an entire police force is not right.

Nanette Valencia
Nanette Valencia

Where are you getting this info??? I've never heard of Kelly being a user. His system was clean when he was murdered. He was behaving very mellow and laid back until Ramos started bullying him. Then he jumped up and got angry. Another officer clubbed him in the legs and Kelly took off scared. They targeted him, he wasn't bothering anyone. He was an adult and could not be forced to stay home and take his meds. People with this type of mental illness don't want to be confined. They're drifters and as much as their family loves and worries about them they cannot force an adult to stay with them.

Kataustintx
Kataustintx

Stfu! U ignorant dipshit! Tell u what... Go let these two beat u r ur luved one then ok??? Ppl like u are whats wrong w coppers

Pat
Pat

Your comment is a good reply to those who would ask why Kelly Thomas's father wasn't caring for Kelly at home.  He simply couldn't, which flies in the face of certain conservative politicians' remarks that the families of the mentally ill should be the ones to care for them.  In a perfect world, yes, but ours is not a perfect world, and there are many, many families who, like Kelly Thomas's father, cannot care for their mentally ill members for either financial or other reasons.  And yes, the officers involved should face the music for what they did whether or not Thomas was on meth at the time of the incident.

Michael Miller
Michael Miller

Lets think of a thousand reasons it is okay for a cop to pulverize someone in your family regardless of mental stability. I think you may think twice about your comments. The officers are bullies, unstable, have taken advantage of their oath and positions to protect and serve. Not kill and beat the crap out of someone who obviously was not a huge threat especially after the first punch to his face Im sure!Hope the cops are are obliged in prison by the same treatment they have doled out

Halucy Duh
Halucy Duh

If I saw a comment by someone who's never had to live with someone with schizophrenia, I'd tell them to shut up because they don't know what they're talking about. 

Ideally, yes, it would be wonderful if every person that had schizophrenia, or any mental illness, had a saint in their lives who could control their impulsive behavior, and be able to handle their lives being taken over by someone who lives in their own delusional world. Too bad that's not realistic. How about our tax dollars going to work for helping house people that can't help themselves, instead of telling the police to clean-up a problem bigger than they can handle? Our country has gotten rid of mental institutions, cut medical care for people who don't follow their strict guidelines, and leave them with no other option but to wander the streets. I'm not saying the cops weren't at fault here; they clearly overstepped their boundaries. However, I'm sure they were following orders to keep homeless people from loitering. Where are they supposed to go? 

Pat
Pat

I think it is time to bring back the state-run psychiatric hospitals, only without the corruption and physical/emotional abuse of the patients, which caused the places to be shut down in the first place.  It's the only way to curb this problem, at least a little bit, and never mind those who yell about government interference.  Some government interference is necessary, and this is one area where it is.

elnicoya
elnicoya

Great news! This, however, won't change anything in the police continuing domestic terrorism against the civilian world.

Alison Garaven Melanson
Alison Garaven Melanson

My heart goes out to Kelly's family.  I know Kelly would be proud that you have fought for him so hard.  I hope this eases some of the pain for you.

RIP Kelly!

Helenlean
Helenlean

Your are sick for suggesting that the majority of officers wouldn't know that what happened in this case was wrong. Officers don't take an oathe to commit murder, they take an oathe to protect the public. These cops went over the line and let a cop with serious anger management issues go unchecked. Since what goes around comes around, we know the fate of Ramos once sent to prison. Let's see pictures of the cowarldy wimps that had to murder a homeless man and couldn't make an arrest him once they had him subdued. We've seen Kelly beat up. I want to see Kelly with a picture of his killer side by side. Let's not forget what cops who go over the line can do. Let's punish him and work on a system to prevent this. Helen

Rlfamilyman0
Rlfamilyman0

Best news I've heard all day. Shit, ever since this happened.

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