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Red-Light Camera Tickets: Calm Down, L.A., You Still Don't Have to Pay Them

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The debacle that refused to die.
Looks like all those goody two shoes who paid their red-light camera tickets last month -- against the hard advice of select City Councilmembers, traffic lawyers and, well, this very blogger -- just screwed things up for the rest of us.

Though the L.A. City Council already abolished the completely ineffective red-light camera program in early summer (and good riddance), our elected officials took a major step back today. They voted, 11-2, to keep collecting fines for yet-unpaid tickets.

Their infuriating rationale, provided by Assistant Chief Legislative Analyst June Gibson:

The $11,000 we pay to American Traffic Solutions each month -- the steep price of accessing the red-light camera company's database of photos and evidence, necessary to prosecution -- is still smaller than the amount all L.A.'s nervous suckers continue to fork over for their egregious $480 tickets.

The city collected about $107,000 in ticket fines this September, according to Fox11.

So essentially, the City Council, despite being perfectly aware that the red-light camera program was an evil shakedown of its constituents that didn't even address safety issues, still wants to spook the 50,000 Angelenos who haven't paid off their tickets into doing so.

Fresh-faced Councilman Mitchell Englander's excuse: "We've ended the photo red light program. The stake is in the heart ... now we still have to deal with the body."

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Councilman Mitchell Englander voted to abolish the red-light camera program -- then voted to keep cashing in on it.
Huh? We'll ignore the extreme creepiness of that statement and deal, instead, with its embarrassing lack of logic. When the news first broke in July that the broke-ass citizenry likely wouldn't be punished for letting red-light tickets go unpaid, the number of people paying the fines dropped a sharp 40 percent. (That's still 60 percent too many, in our opinion, but hey -- the life of a carefree alt-weekly rebel isn't for everyone.

Now, considering only about half of violators were paying the fines to begin with, there's no way the cash milked from approximately 5,000 people -- or even 10,000, to be generous -- could match the $11,000 the city has agreed to pay to American Traffic Solutions next month.

OK. So L.A. city government is incompetent. Tell us something we don't know, right? Here's what you're really looking for: Do I still not have to pay my red-light camera ticket?

That's up to you. However, we've provided you the lack of consequences, as accurately as we can determine. (And PLEASE, If you've experienced otherwise, let us know.) From our September post on the subject:

In July, L.A. City Councilman Paul Koretz said of GC Services, "They'll never actually make you pay, and they won't put it on your credit.'' And to this day, L.A. City Councilman Dennis Zine sings a similar tune, adding that the tickets definitely won't show up on your DMV record.

... The only consequence we've been able to identify, so far, is that the ticket will remain in Superior Court, in awkward limbo, for court personnel to view.

The only thing that's changed, today, is that City Councilmembers are being a bunch of greedy jerks (fess up -- which one of y'all is in bed with American Traffic Solutions?) and telling their collections agency, GC Services, to keep hassling the huddled masses for what they're well aware is dirty money.

Stay strong, fellow red-light runners of this hellish traffic capital. Things are looking up: The Chief Legislative Analyst has predicted that the Los Angeles Police Commission, who monitors red-light ticket revenue, will vote to stop collecting it by January.

Plus, for every one of us who doesn't pay, another thread unravels in the City Council's (already very crappy) argument for preserving this indirect taxation.

And hell, while we're at it: Long live the 99 percent.

[@simone_electra/swilson@laweekly.com]

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sepideh_bigli_bigli
sepideh_bigli_bigli

I just got a red light camera ticket on canoga and sherman way orange line.Honestly it was not even red ! It was yellow but i got ticket!!!

would you please help me what should I do? Should I fight it? It`s too expesnsive! I don wanna pay 600$!!!

Phatpig1092
Phatpig1092

Oh and if you don't respond do they eventually just stop sending them?

Phatpig1092
Phatpig1092

Oh ok. Thanks so much. That helped a lot.

Hefedehefe
Hefedehefe

 I threw mine in the trash and never heard back from them. I even had to go into a dmv hearing for something else and they didnt see or mention it. And they looked at my complete dmv record and pulled up everything from when I first got my lic. Just dont respond and dont fight it uless they do something, but dont reply. Act as if you never were there and never got the letter and forget about it. If you reply, then they will come after you

Phatpig1092
Phatpig1092

If they don't enforce that you pay the red light tickets why do they still take pictures. I ran the red light by the woodman orange line on oxnard and woodman but the way the lights are set up 3 in a row and you can't really see the first one. Could I fight the ticket if they send me one? Also would the ticket go on my dmv record or my dads because it was his car. I'm soo confused.

Guest
Guest

Recently got a red light camera ticket from the city of Baldwin Park (part of Los Angeles county). the car was not mine but my brother. he took my information and send it in. I just wanted to know if i still have paid for the ticket? Or can i just ignore the ticket? help and thanks 

Alyeska
Alyeska

I'm totally confused and freaked out! I got Red Camera Light Ticket at Winnetka and Victory blvd in Woodland HIlls (or Winnetka?) Dec. 23rd 2011. I got the ticket in the mai lJan.6th 2012 and ignored the due date of Feb 9th,. Now I have recieved a notice that if I don't pay it within 10 days they will add another $300 to the already $480 that was on the ticket! In was issued by L.A. County Sheriff's Dept. (L.A. Metro Trans. Authority Automated Enforcement Traffic Violation). It's my Drivers Lic. # but the wrong info> I don't have Red Hair, or Hazel eyes and the color of my car is not Med.(??) It is me in the photo, but the light was yellow when I crossed the bus way and it shows the rear of my care with the red brake lights on! I can't afford the 480, let alone 780 dollors they are threatening me with. PLEASE, what can I do? I have responded to nothing. Thank you.

Hefedehefe
Hefedehefe

 I dont know, but from what I heard they will threaten you and raise your fines, but they will never make you pay or put it on your credit or take you licence

Gabvan27
Gabvan27

I just got a red light camera ticket last month in compton can they still do that if ended?

Eugeniusl
Eugeniusl

I was at Superior Court in LA last week to see if I could have my ticket fine forgiven or reduced given that the program is unenforceable, now discontinued and given that many people in my situation couldn't be made to pay.  The commissioner judge was quite firm in telling me that the city only closed the cameras and that they'll find a way to go after all offenders. She told me in front of everyone that what I was reading in the news is incorrect. As for my $500 fine, she said that she won't be able to reduce it because it's set by the State, City etc... I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to collect the fines...the city and state need the money after all.

Sean
Sean

According to latimes.com:

"Richard M. Tefank, executive director of the city's Board of Police Commissioners, told the Budget and Finance Committee that the tickets are part of a "voluntary payment program" without sanctions for those who fail to submit fines. "'The consequence is somebody calling you from one of these collection agencies and saying 'pay up.' And that's it," said committee member and Councilman Bill Rosendahl. "There's no real penalty in terms of your driver's license or any other consequences if you don't pay.'"

If you're reading this and plan to ignore your red light camera traffic ticket too, please let us know! 

occupy unfair traffic fines
occupy unfair traffic fines

I got one red light camera ticket for rolling right in Cerritos. $480 is a lot! It's a whole month tuition fee for my daughter's day care. Why in New York people are only paying $50 for a red light violation, considering the living standards are similar to CA? I admit that I broke the law by not stopping completely at the red light and I shall bear the consequence but $480 is a big rip off. If the fees could be reduced to a reasonable amount, I think more people will be willing to pay it. Highwayrobbery.net has extensive info on red light camera violation. So please check it out. One of our constitutional rights is to be protected from excessive fines and the red light ticket obviously is in violation, do you smell a Madoff here?  If you want to impact and bring change to the current unfair law, please start calling the governor's office, the senate, the auto club. So your kids don't have to endure the same unjustified fines. The city don't have take down the red light cameras, but please no manipulation and less fines!  Btw, why can't we change the law, if you can make a right turn safely, you slow down but not to a complete stop. Anyone is up for a occupy unfair traffic law and unfair fines?

Mickey
Mickey

Omg!!!! I have a camera ticket !!!!! Its so true they are not calibrated!! I have the proof... I was a ticket that I didnt stop at the red light upon making a right turn, but what strikes me is that the picture was taken before I even got the stop:( make no sense!!! I'm fighting it too the max!!!!

Jayflores80
Jayflores80

Other articles say that LA is still collecting if you got caught before July 31st, but what about if you got caught after? Can they still ignore the ticket?

Gschulze22
Gschulze22

I know this is like beating a dead horse, but DOES this also apply to Orange Line Bus Red Light Tickets. I'm all for being a rebel and not giving any more to this city/ state government, but I just want to be clear that those tickets (overseen by the Sheriff's dept) go into limbo too when unpaid, like the ones overseen by the LAPD? Any help/ info is greatly appreciated!

boomer1
boomer1

THAT is my story too. I can't find anyone that can answer me. I have been on the web ALL day and feel I am an expert on red light tickets.....all except when it comes to METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY!!!!

It all points to *not to pay* but I can't find all in one place to confirm it.

Weho confusion
Weho confusion

 Does this apply to West Hollywood? I'm confused whether it's LA CITY or COUNTY court.

hh
hh

Does this apply to a ticket received in Culver city?

DiegoHenry
DiegoHenry

Few people are paying tickets from the City of LA or any other camera city in LA county.

In June, an LAPD official testified that the LA CountyCourt does not report any city's unpaid camera tickets to the DMV.  That was widely publicized. 

By the next month, payment to all cities in the Countydropped by half.  Source: LA County Docspage at highwayrobbery daht net.

This doesn't mean that half of those ticketed still arepaying their tickets.  It means that if60% (a guess) paid prior to June, now it would be 30%.

If you have an old ticket of any kind (camera, non-camera, misdemeanor) and for some reason HAVE to pay it, wait for the 50% off statewide amnesty beginning Jan. 1, which applies to all pre-2009 tickets.

Eferdy11
Eferdy11

A $480 fine is criminal! I refuse to throw away my hard earned money and give it to Beverly Hills. That city has plennnttttyyyy of money! I howevre do not! I reviewed the camera online and didn't even see a red light.

FURIOUS
FURIOUS

This has absolutely nothing to do with being a "goody too shoe!"  If you broke the law and were caught red-handed...you should be responsible for paying the fine!  Simple as that!  Why should the HONEST, responsible people pay and the others get off???????  It should be that citizens would NOT be able to renew their DMV registrations if they have an outstanding RED CAMERA LIGHT Tickets!  It should be across the board, they should be forced to PAY THE FINES!!!!!  There should be NO EXCEPTIONS!  If not, the citizens who were responsible and PAID should be REFUNDED!!!!!

notthatguy
notthatguy

Only because you have to do whatever they say you have to do doesn't mean everyone should live that way who are to say who is honest and who is not the red light is suppose to be there for safety to increase revenue. The time it takes a yellow light to turn green on the camera lights were intentionally made shorter in order to increase the number of fines the city can give and I for one am chosing not pay it

anonymous
anonymous

Englander, the nephew of the lobbysist Englander is a political whore.  Thank you Granada Hills residents for dumping this crap on the rest of the city.

trojan2002
trojan2002

Actually, I disagree with you. So far he has been a good council member. I'm not saying he's matched what Kerkorian did in his first year, but he's close.

And why wouldn't you have to pay for the fines? If you broke the law, and were caught, you should pay. The cancelling of the contract didn't retroactively dismisses all of those cases.

And I believe Zine (if not Zine, another CM said it) said that once you show up in court for another matter, the unpaid ticket will be before the judge. So it's on your accessible record.

Sassy
Sassy

Whap happens if you asked for an extension and a court date--but you don't show in court?  Are there any consequences for just not showing up?

Sean
Sean

If you filed for a court date, you need to show up.  Google what happens if you don't show up.

Sean
Sean

Within the ticket I plan to ignore reads:

"OPTION B:  TO PLEAD NOT GUILTY AND REQUEST A COURT APPEARANCE BY MAIL OR TRAIL BY WRITTEN DECLARATION"

I'm pretty sure that means you don't agree with the allegations and are not confessing guilt - very much the opposite.

Rkidd21
Rkidd21

By filing an extension, you agreed with the courts allegations that you ran the red light (basically confessing your guilt) by simply doing nothing you are not agreeing or admitting anything.

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