David Nernberg, Friend of Dead Agoura Hills Quarterback Griffen Kramer, Arrested for Involuntary Manslaughter

Guest

Everyone has a right to say their own opinion, but you should be careful where you say it. All these things being said about the kids and their families are extremely rude, and if they ever read any of this themselves, I'd be ashamed of saying something mean. I'm sure the families have all realized what mistakes they made, and are now being judged by every single member of their community. The last thing they need is to read reviews talking about how horrible their kids and parenting skills are, especially coming from people who don't know the families at all, or really understand the situation.

Larry

"Dragged his body"? Isn't that just a bit hyperbolic as nobody is suggesting he was dead when David put him in the bed, presumably thinking Kramer would just "sleep it off". A "body" typically refers to a dead person and I have not heard anyone claim that Kramer was dead when he went to bed. The media is sensationalizing the crap out of this. Where were all Kramer's wonderful friends who are not condemning Nernberg when Kramer needed them? Did Nernberg hold Kramer down and administer the drug? Does Kramer who presumably made the decision to take the drugs have any responsibility at all? By the way, they said the "tox report was inconclusive" so how do you know he even took drugs? They originally reported alcohol poisoning. They are trying to lynch David Nernberg but I have some bad news for you. This is a tragedy and compounding it will neither make it better nor bring closure. David Nernberg IS NOT Dr. Conrad Murray.

Wayne Bergeron

When someone knows that another person has taken something that could be extremely dangerous to them and fails to act, that is being irresponsible. There is no difference in what Conrad Murray and David Nernberg did. I concede, Murray was a licensed physician, but Nernberg didn't have to have a medical degree to know that something wasn't right.

He knew his friend was in distress, but instead of calling for help, Nernberg puts his friend in the car, drives around, and them dumps the body out at the victim's house. Does that sound like the responsible thing to do? Is that what a friend or someone who "has your back" does?

For failing to provide assistance when Griffen Kramer needed it most, David Nernberg became complicit in Kramer's death.

Jerry

sorry to tell u all but both are wrong. people who make these decisions both on kramers part and nernbergs part. they are the people we try to weed out in society they are the weak the ones that werent long for this world. the families did not pay enough attention to either child so this is wat you get. so kramer got is fate and nernberg will get his. i am a person who came from a family where alot of drugs were sold and i spent time in prison but i decided to change the way my kids would be raised. i am a lucky one. i am very sorry for both sides. but nothing will change. each side will gon on in life other than griffens.

Larry

Jerry - I am glad to hear that you have broken the cycle of substance abuse in raising your own children but I would reply to your observations that in the real world, sometimes bad things happen to good people. If you attend meetings of Alanon, a group dedicated to sharing the knowledge of how best to deal with a family member who is an abuser, you will find the best of parents who have often raised numerous kids who are well adjusted high achievers but have one child who "fell in with the wrong crowd" etc.

How many times have we heard one man say "I came from an abusive background and that's how I ended up on death row" and another man say "I came from an abusive background and swore I would not live like that and so I became the CEO of this corporations. There are no hard and fast rules about parenting and you do not get any guarantees when you raise kids. There are no sure things in the world of substance abuse or parenting. When you are done "doing the best you can" it does not hurt to 'say a prayer" as well because either figuratively for those of us who are not religion or literally for those who are, every moment of every day we are in God's hands.

Laur

Lou, you have no right to judge an entire community on decisions that only a few specific teenagers made. All neighborhoods have families that are dealing with substance abuse and all neighborhoods have kids who don't know what to do when faced with an emergency.

Justice For Some

Actually he judged "privileged white kids" who reside in the community, not the community itself. And he has every right to his opinion whether perceived as valid or not. It is actually you who have no right to censor his discourse, unless of course you are a Supreme Court Justice ruling on Free Speech. And he is absolutely correct about Jessie James Hollywood-- a real "stand-up" guy who orchestrated the murder of an innocent boy, and who garnered the complicity of his "privileged" friends to do so. May they all rot in the Pen as a lesson to the unwise about the serious nature of irresponsible choices.

Alyssabermann

shut the fuck up. this is clearly alllll davids fault, if david would have called 911 griffen could have still been alive, so u under there... shut up. u dont sleep it off u call 911 once u see somebody says im overdosing call 911 u call and once u see somebody phoming from the mouth u call.. u dont just drag somebody in by there feet.. HOPE YOU LIKE PRISON YOU MOTHER FUCKER!

Larry

Thanks for that lesson in responsible Heroin use! I stand corrected!

Larry

This is such a crock of ****. David didn't do anything wrong. He thought the kid needed to "sleep it off" like anyone would have. These same jack asses who make a handsome living off the so called "war on drugs" are the same jack asses who are constantly blathering about "personal responsibility" but when a tragedy occurs, they think it is everyone's fault except the guy who CHOSE to take the booze and drugs. Don't you people/vultures have anything better to do with your time like maybe go watch some Lions eat Christians or something?

Lou

These are your typical privileged white kids who weren't raised with any values. This is the same area that produced Jesse James Hollywood. Hope Nernberg like prison.