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Occupy L.A. Protesters Released From Jail: Was The LAPD Punishing Them?

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Updated at the bottom: The City Attorney's office says that while about 245 have been released or were bailed out without charges, it ain't over yet. First posted at 4:42 p.m.

Most of the 291 or so Occupy L.A. protesters who were jailed following Wednesday morning's raid of their City Hall encampment were in the process of being released this afternoon, attorney Carol Sobel of the National Lawyers Guild told the Weekly.

She said they were being cut loose with "no charges, no paperwork."

She expressed anger over the situation because ...


... she said the LAPD used a 48-hour-old hold to teach the occupiers a lesson after they failed to leave the City Hall lawn willfully following their nearly two-month-long engagement there.

"This is clearly to punish people," Sobel said.

Of course police don't get to punish people. That's up to a judge and/or jury. But the law gives cops enough flexibility to hold folks in jail without due process (that sure feels like punishment to us).

Sobel has argued that the cops are violating state law by holding such misdemeanor suspects instead of citing and releasing them, although the City Attorney's office has disputed that interpretation of the law.

It appears police can keep folks they arrest for 48 hours max, which would give the City Attorney's office time to file charges. It looks like no charges were filed for the vast majority of arrestees today. The office has until 5 p.m. to attempt to keep the protesters behind bars via court filings.

But the office has a year to file charges anyway and can drag those folks back into court.

Yesterday the office charged 20 people arrested during Wednesday morning's raid. Sobel said she believes they were charged because most had records, were on probation or parole or had warrants for their arrest.

Even many of those folks, Sobel said she learned, were offered deals to walk if they promised not to return to City Hall, she she says they didn't take.

[Update at 6 p.m.]: City Attorney's criminal branch Chief Earl Thomas tells the Weekly virtually no one is getting off scot-free.

He said that while about 175 people were released today they could still be charged. Those folks were determined to be eligible for the Alternative Prosecution Program, a 90-day love fest in which suspects can enroll and avoid prosecution.

Thomas said a special agenda would be formulated for the Occupy arrestees, one that would focus on First Amendment education:

We'll include a First Amendment law component about having to stay within the law in terms of conduct. We don't care what the message is but we are concerned about illegal conduct.

Those people don't have the accept the program and can chose to duke it out in court.

Additionally, the office filed 26 more cases against arrestees that mostly involve alleged failure to disperse or resisting arrest, he said. That brings the total number of cases filed to 46 and fulfills the City Attorney's duty to weigh the cases of all 291 arrestees within 48 hours, Thomas said.

Another 70 people appear to have bailed themselves out and so the office doesn't have to file right away. In fact it has a year from the arrest date. Thomas indicated that those people will either be offered the program if they're eligible or will be charged.

Bailed out: 70

Charged Thursday: 20

Charged Friday 26

Eligible to avoid prosecution through APP: 175

Total arrests: 291

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polystyrene
polystyrene

The trolls are out in full force on the Occupy articles, though their arguments haven't increased in sophistication. It's like you're not even trying anymore. What would your bosses at New Media Strategies say? Do you really want to disappoint the Koch Brothers?

morocha
morocha

My son was arrested and released Friday without charges. He said he was hit in the mouth by an officer who was supposedly trying to hit pressure points. He said he saw this happen to others around him as well.

Joefriday00
Joefriday00

Verso,

Your son's claim of being beaten is truly intersting.  This was probably the most widely photographed and videotpaed action of the LAPD ever.  There were TV cameras, still cameras, camcorders and cell phone cameras everywhere.  There were reporters in the park and on the street while arrests were being effected as well as hundreds of citizens documenting the actions of police.  If your son was beaten as he claims, surely there is a video of it on YouTube or one of the myriad other sites by now.  I await your posting of the evidence of his claim.

Verso
Verso

Hey Joe,

I wrote an extended response to you yesterday, and it got set aside for moderator-review. I hope it shows up, I thought it was pretty good.

Basically, I agreed with you, and repeated my request for an outside investigation that would do the searching and compiling of a report. One side or the other (perhaps a little of both) is lying, and I think the rumors should be laid to rest.

I'm hoping my last post was just set aside for being long. Let's see if this one goes through  :)

AE
AE

Hi Verso, we were prodded using a jabbing motion that was very hard to film clearly since everyone had cell phones and it was night. However, I personally wouldn't use the word beaten to describe what happened to me at 1st and Broadway. Jabbed, kicked, pushed, prodded and then trampled by at least 20 officers would be more accurate. I'm okay. That said, I was in full motorcycle armor and had my helmet with me so I didn't sustain any injuries. I hope your kid is okay. There is quite a lot of footage appearing on the internet of much more aggressive police behavior.  I have already found footage of me on various websites (including the LA times website) but most is very dark and shaky- taken by people running away, or being pushed themselves. And not everyone who takes footage is putting it up yet or in one place  and there is so much that it will take some sorting. Good luck.

guest1
guest1

my son had the same claim. Considering the media were not allowed in the area, I find Verso's claim to be legitimate. If you look at the video footage about the LA weekly photographer (Tyson H) that was beaten for trying to take a picture, you would understand why there isn't any footage.  The lapd designed it this way..no footage.

Audra Lucas
Audra Lucas

See footage: http://youtu.be/yInFCStepKE

maybe it would be helpful to post links when referring to articles and such?  Just thinking it would. Sorry about your son.  Please send him a "thank you" from me. 

It is dangerously scary that the police have the right to determine what media is allowed into a protest!  This is not Soviet Russia or the city in the novel Atlas Shrugged... This is The United States of America, which used to really mean something. 

fff
fff

That's bull, there were press pools before the raid limiting press exposure to the atual arrests. There was ONE cell phone camera inside the camp during the final "showdown," which ran out of batteries well before the arrests. Even the "legal" "sanctioned" media footage showed a journalist being knocked over down the stairs at the beginning of the raid and arrested. All the rest of the media was kept in a "1st Amendment Zone" outside of the center of the park and away from the street protests. You want video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Police also admitted to using bean bag guns on protesters in the trees.

Verso
Verso

Joefriday,

This being the internet, I can't tell if you're baiting me or not. I am, however, in agreement with you ---- there should be evidence somewhere. I watched channels 11, 9, 5, and 4 cover this thing seemingly inside and out from about 10:30 until 2:00 am. I went to sleep feeling eerily impressed by LAPD's performance. Having grown up with the exact same cops that beat Rodney King patrolling my neighborhood within Foothill Division, I have not been given much reason to believe they could have been so well-behaved.

I did notice during the broadcast that as the separated protesters were pushed away, they were no longer covered by the news channels, in part because they were out of range. The young guy from Channel 5 tried to see what was going on and his video cut out. Also, the focus was on what was happening in the park itself. In other words, the media was no longer paying attention.

Ruth Fowler is quoted on another LA Weekly page saying she didn't get pictures because she was running. There is also the only photo I've seen so far published of anyone claiming an injury, allegedly cause by a beanbag, which the cops say were not even used outside the park. http://blogs.laweekly.com/info...

So, long story not-so-short, I'm hearing rumors of beatings, my only direct source is an Occupier himself (and therefore biased). We're dealing with a police department with a history of beating people and lying about it, and that also has a lot of PR on the line. 

So I asked a somewhat-reputable news-source in the community if they could consider making an investigation. It seems to me that if the cops are lying, this is the biggest sham I've seen in quite a while, and amazingly done. The implications behind this possibility are frightening to me. I want to believe, I really do, that I could trust the police, the mayor's office, the mainstream media, and my own eyes.

Unfortunately, the only thing I've actually seen unfiltered by any other media is my son's bike helmet, that looks like it went through an automotive accident.

 If it really went down like LAPD says, then the rumors I'm hearing need to be laid to rest. But if it's a sham, it needs to be blown wide-open.

Foo
Foo

Be thankful they aren't charged as "terrorists" under Homeland Security statutes! OMG, they'd never be seen again......

Stuey Jay
Stuey Jay

just wait... they will be

Audra Lucas
Audra Lucas

This is kinda what I was thinking, Stuey Jay.  It looks like this may be the path in front of us with the FEMA camps and the recent speech from Obama about "Prolonged Detention."  Makes me nervous how he states "Terrorists" as if it is an exclusive term... The Anonymous and AnonyOps are on this list as Terrorists.  How easy is it to label anyone with a picket sign as a terrorist, if they are in front of a government agency?

I for one, thank everyone for taking serious their freedoms because if you don't do it now, looks like you may have a slim chance to do it later.  I will be there. 

Also to respond:  I have a decent paying job, I am a single Mom, I am on the PTA, I am a Girl Scout Troop leader.  I don't smoke weed and I don't even drink a drop.  I believe in freedom and I'll fight for yours too, even if you don't use it to educate yourself.  It is okay to have differing opinions, it isn't right to not allow them to be heard. 

Verso
Verso

Hey LA Weekly,

My son was at the protest, and was forced out of the park and onto the street, where he says cops beat him and others, apparently just for the hell of it since they didn't arrest them. Have any of your staff heard similar stories? If you folks take requests, can you do a round of interviews with Occupiers who interacted with police outside of the view of the few chosen media reps?

Thanks.

Thebigham72
Thebigham72

You have a big time LOSER for a son if you let him go to this homeless squatters camp!! Great job at raising your pot smoking, dead beat, jobless and unmotivated son!!

morocha
morocha

I feel sorry for you and your ignorance. You have no idea of the benefits you have reeped because of people in history like Verso's and my son. The American revolution began because of people like our sons and others you belitte. I suggest you educate yourself further.

Verso
Verso

I'm sorry, but do you know my son? Have you met him? If not, you have no basis for your statements. He is, by the way, an adult. I did not "let him" go, he makes his own decisions.

As for him being "jobless" --- THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! He is young and well-educated. He had a perfectly good job that was cut from under him. He has had just as much trouble as hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of other Americans who have lost their jobs and have spent months, some of them years at this point, trying to get employed.

Are they all deadbeats, just because they're jobless? Are they all unmotivated?

Or is the system screwed up?

If he had stayed at home and said nothing, done nothing, if he had given up as so many people have, stopped hitting the streets with resumes, stopped spending the first 4 hours of each day online searching for the vaguest hint of employment would that have somehow made him MORE motivated?

Why is it that the people who have taken it to the next step, who have pointed out and drawn attention to WHY so many people are unemployed, destitute, facing foreclosure and the possibility of having to sleep on the streets (or in a public park) AGAINST their will --- why are THEY being labeled as unmotivated?

As for the "pot-smoking" remark --- that's a cheesy ad hominem attack. You really need better material, and perhaps some evidence for your assertions (and don't talk about random protesters toking up --- find me a picture of MY son, since that's who you're slandering).

Joe Smith
Joe Smith

Many of the comments posted that are personal attacks are by the same few bloggers using different names. The language, syntax, and construction are way too similar. Take the baiting with a grain of salt. Because that is all it is-- either baiting simply to draw you out into a baseless argument and deflect the actual problems with the sysetem, or ignorant, hate-based personal opinions from under-educated and obviously insecure individuals. The intelligent people reading these comments can tell what's authentic and what is not.

OccupyMyFace
OccupyMyFace

Good for you, Verso. You should write a feature piece on the incident. Way more compelling than anything written here so far.

Brandt Hardin
Brandt Hardin

We are being subjected to a police state where protesting isnot being tolerated.  These evictionsexemplify the suppression of our civil liberties including the right toorganize, one of the basis rights set forth by our founding fathers.  Police brutality is running rampant underorders from Governors who have their pockets lined with Wall Street and SpecialInterest monies.   Stand up and lend yourvoice with these free posters I was compelled to design on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot...

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