Occupy the Rose Parade: 5,000 Protesters, Giant Octopus Fail to Make Live TV

for the sake of brevity. the whole world is watching means many things to me it means the world sees the average american not standing up for what is right like our namesake suggest. I can not do that i must do something and armchair activism it not it. so i leave you with Frederick Douglass - Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.  

Don't think I'm going to feel insulted by you changing my name. It's just another veiled insult from an occupy supporter and it's a little lame.

Look at my comments (granted there are several) but nowhere here will you see me say that there has never been protests at the parade.  I didn't need to google search it either, as I already knew about them.  It does not change anything I have said here. 

As a matter of fact, YOU might want to do more reading of comments before posting to me, because if you did, you'd know that I agree with most of the grievances in your last paragraph.  Of course I don't agree with your lead in sentence lol regarding what you call my "false reality field" hahahah as if you know me. Assumptions like the ones you have made here, are exactly why I find ows supporters to be incapable of creating change. I'm not trying to be mean, but it is my experience that most occupiers can't follow the most basic discussion.  How are they ever going to learn new strategies, plans of actions, etc. if they ALLREADY THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING :/ ?

My comments aren't in favor of corruption, bribes, etc . My comments are against  ows tactics.  Plain and simple.  That position is what has brought tons of hate thrown my way which only speaks negativly for the people supporting ows.

::EDIT::I want to make my position clear. While I share most (not all), but most of the greivences of ows, I do not agree with the actions of the group itself. Sharing in the greivences does not an automatic supporter make. I know MANY people who feel as I do. We want something done but don't believe ows is capable based on their past actions and behaviors.

I hope you can keep an open mind when talking with people who don't speak favorably of the ows crowd. Please don't assume they are not against all the same issues. THAT is how people can work together. Look how i've been responded to on this board by ows supporters. Do you REALLY think i'm going to follow them?

'knockin boots' You should really read more often i did a 30 second google search and it yielded a wealth of information not only is this not the FIRST time a statement has been made at the end of the parade its not even the second or third. the native Americans, HIV/ AIDS activist and even a mayor participated with a message following the parade. but OCCUPY does it.....

I am sorry we can not perpetuate your false reality field... The truth, YES i said truth, MUST BE TOLD.GREED. the dissolving of our civil liberties, money in politics.. Tell me i am making this up tell me i have no just cause in being angry enough to protest about it.. then PROVE WHY I SHOULD NOT further more i challenge YOU to answer.How many people went to jail for tanking the economy.?How many people when to jail in an attempt to should these people accountable. Do you think it is right for corporations to not pay taxes?I Challenge you I dare you I double dog DARE you PROVE your position with FACT !! Get on the RIGHT side of history   

Oooh that's a new one. Calling me a conservative now. Lol

Why not ask me a question instead of assuming everything?

A lot of us know "the system" is out of control and needs major change. We also need jobs and want bribes out of politics etc. That doesn't mean we agree with the counter-productive tactics used by ows. Got that? Did you follow along there?

Ows is full of paranoid people like you who THINK you represent us, but you don't. You are an embarrassment and a stick in the spokes of progress. You have killed any respect for "the cause" and have turned valid arguments into one big punchline. You are a detriment to positive change.

Yes, because that's the definition of peaceful. Sane people don't make up new meanings for old words, just conservatives and their paid or unpaid tools. It is unfortunate that you wish to ignore the fact that my country has slipped far far into fascism, and run interference for your overlords.

I see. The "man" who goes around spewing hate, telling people to "eat shit", calling people "ignoramus", trolls, liars, and now "nattering Nabob" is SUCH an awesome example of positivity, love and light. That glow of positivity coming out of your ass is blinding.

No no, let me thank YOU for showing off more ows condescention and hypocrisy. You said:" you are (the world's) blind narrow minded agent. Idon't chastise you...." Hmmm...you are contradicting yourself? You also attempt a backhanded insult by addressing me as "boot shaker". You can try to hide your typical ows insults but anyone can see right through that.

I find it interesting that you have a problem with me criticising ows tactics, yet you apparently have no problem at all with their tactic of spewing hateful comments at people they disagree with. Apparently you condone THAT. I can see the lack of values and accountability in your comment that is typical of many supporters.

You sarcasticlly said:My "selfish logic" could be the "....trigger to gets these inexperienced kids thinking. These young revolutionaries with dreamy eyes are unfortunately our only hope"

Wow...you really know how to romanticize a bunch of hateful, disrespectful, self righteous, and incoherent people.

Let's be honest here Mr. Occupier, these protesters are not "inexperienced kids" nor are they "revolutionaries". Dreamy eyed is debatable depending on what their drug of choice is.

MANY of the occupiers I've seen, including our very own 71 yr old hate monger, JIM OLSON, are nowhere near being "kids". MANY of them are middle aged and older. There is NO excuse for their bullying behavior.

"Revolutionaries" they are NOT. Revolutionaries don't allow themselves to be manipulated and used by fringe groups. They NEVER take their eyes off the goal as ows has done. Revolutionaries NEVER play into self-victimization. They use their resources wisely. True revolutionaries are strong, thick skinned, smart, and capable...qualities which have not been displayed here or anywhere else in the last 2 months by occupiers.

Thanks for playing, but your "logic" is illogical fluff, colorful romanticizing, and full of excuses for people behaving in a hateful, counter-productive way. Good luck to you.

Thank you boot shaker. The world is evolving as usual and you are it's blind narrow minded agent. I don't chastise you but if anything ask you to keep responding with the same sentiment for you will be a trigger to gets these inexperienced kids thinking. These young revolutionaries with dreamy eyes are unfortunately our only hope and yes, they are inefficient;  the spirit of rebellion has been in a lethargy for centuries now and there are no respected wise men in this youth infatuated country, no one teaches the way so they will learn on their own by loosing and stumbling over people like you. If the men in office, who are certified, socially accepted for earning a herd degree, and whom we "elect" didn't abuse their job these white blood cells wouldn't be impulsively swarming around the virus. Word of advice, remove yourself from this selfish logic. Intuition is a greater catalyst for critical thinking than any logic can suffer.

*sigh*

What does that have to do with anything I've said. Maybe I should refer you to my other comments here, wher I pointed out that It was shown on the news?

Again, the parade broadcast is NOT a news broadcast and therefore was not shown there. It WAS, however, shown on the news afterward, and also in a positive light.

Why can't you guys just see clearly and follow along. Really, I'm just one commenter here who has had nonstop nonsense thrown my way, when if all you occupy supporters would just read first. A little critical thinking and logic goes a long way.....smh

Sweet of you to offer, but no thanks. You go ahead and eat your plate of shit by yourself. Make sure to brush your tooth when your done.

Yeah yeah yeah, you already made that comment a hundred times but still fail to offer any intelligent debate to back up your opinions. You are really becoming a bore.

You are just another example of the paranoia that aparently runs deep within many occupiers, as can be seen on this comment page alone. I'm sure you think monsters will attack you in your sleep too.

I hate to burst your bubble, but I am not a trol, a liar, or an ignorant as you like to call all people who disagree with you.

Why not back up your blind faith in ows lame tactics with some actual facts, instead of calling everyone a "paid troll."

*yawn* seriously? Calling people trolls again? I see you've added calling me an "it" now too. Cute. I'm sure you must be wooing other occupiers with your obvious intelligence.

Glad to know you don't "hate" me, but that you think I'm a troll and an "agent provacateur"... nice ;) BTW, Why is it that you post under so many different names?

So I checked the blog post you're referring to as well as others where you are being a bit of a smart ass yourself. In fact, the first thing you said to me here was a snarky "who asked you". You know that saying about throwing stones at glass houses? Yeah that. Just keepin it real.

So you say I'm "coming back for more"? That seems to imply I'm a victim of sorts or reciecing some kind of punishment. And thin skinned? Heh hardly. Nothing these hateful people can say to me here bothers me one bit. I do like to point out their bullying and name calling. It helps me make my point. Good try on ypur part though. I do love your imagination...I really do. Are you an artist? Writer? You seem to be very creative.

Anyway. When someone tells me to eat shit, Yeah, I might have fun commenting back, but likewise, someone who posts shit like that (pun intended) should be able to handle a poke back.

This board is FULL of exellent examples of occupy supporter behavior AND lack of coherent thought, in most cases. My comments to them is, in part, my contribution to MY cause, of exposing the tactics and lack of comprehension of these people. Of course, there ARE exceptions, but apparently very few.

You going to "come back for more" now? *joke*!

Actually, I do remember what I blog. Sorry about that intellectual quirk. And for your own sake, please heed your own advice about growing thicker skin. I don't dislike you or wish you any undo suffering. But you do appear to respond to almost everyone's comments with some retort, usually in a disagreeable, condescending, or smart-assed fashion-- and that is "Troll" like and "Flamey." Here's one you probably don't remember-- "Hoping for people to have bloody deaths in the street is pretty sick and 'soul-less' wish genius." Ring any bells? I actually agree with you, the person was being insensitive, but the "genius" jab at the end was definitely cookie-cutter condescending.

The bottom line is that you keep coming back for more, so you must enjoy the interaction-- even the negative type. Best Wishes. I'm sure I'll hear from you.

Look, I've probably made over 200 comments in various places over a period of at least a few years. Do you or anyone else here remember every single trivial blog post they've clicked the thumbs up on or posted a comment on? No, you don't, so don't think your going to hold me up to some standard you and others don't even hold yourselves to. That is completely unreasonable.

For the record, I don't follow any homicide detectives on twitter and don't know any in person either. Your comment to me on that made no sense and was strictly inflamatory, you might even call it "flaming".

And to address yet another accusation of being a troll or a "flamer". You REALLY need to grow a thicker skin if anytime someone disagrees with your view, you accuse them of being a flamer or a troll. Seriously dude or dudette, that is so weak. It really is.

You don't even remember your own previous blog visits on other subjects not directly related to this matter. Apparently you just "flame" for the fun of it. Unless of course you are another "ShakinBoots," which in that case, I offer my apologizes for "present memory refreshed," and "past memory recollected."

You guys are the such PARANOIDS...wow. Tweet my homicide detective? Bodies covered in sheets? What the hell are you even talking about here??? Lmao!!

You guys are not only paranoid and dilusional, but collectively, you have proven to be some of the most unintelligent group of people we've seen in a long time.

And did you forget, nobody asked for yours or anyone elses opinion here. Everyone who comments here did so without being asked, including you.

Once again occupier, the parade broadcast is not a news program and if you find it dull, nobody forced you to watch it.

Lots of assumption going on in your comment. That's typical of occupy supporters.

Rule #1 as an occupy support: Assume anyone who disagrees with you just "doesn't understand". When that doesn't work, call them a troll.

You said: "It's a much better plan than actually trying toengage in debate on factual points, whichtakes effort, so I'll just hurl insults"

You guys seriously need to gain some personal insight and take a good look at your rampant hypocrisy. While I have linked to statistcs to occupy run sites, and other tangible sources, attempting to engage in logical debate, VERY FEW of you have done the same. Instead you resort to childish name calling, calling anyone who disagrees with your tactics trolls, "it", "ignoramus" or liars. This is just another reason why you have lost support from people like me who once DID support you.

Strong, smart, articulate people don't get all butt hurt because little ol me thinks the octopus looked like an ugly heap of trash.

300 jobs to be filled by Dollar General. Lets see how many occupiers apply and want to be hired. http://www.dailybulletin.com/o...

Thank you Juilileegal. It's a nice change to actually see a civil comment instead of just calling me names.

Imo, ows dropped the ball long ago when they allowed themselves to be used and hijacked by other groups. They allowed the original message to be diluted. They also wasted their own minimal resources on choosing to be arrested over public space. That space (the parks) served them well and brought worldwide attention, but they didn't know when to move on to phase 2.

I've had numerous discussions w/occupiers over this with results of calling me names as you see here. They are creatures of habit with seemingly no real strategy.

I would like to see the more goal oriented, intelligent, clear thinking of the group splinter off and form a separate group with more focused goals. Example: I am a huge animal advocate. I love animals, but that is not a cause that addresses government corruption, yet I saw many animal rights signs in the group. Again, I am a huge animal advocate, but it IS a separate issue. Take this example and multiply by several other non-wall street causes. It blurs the focus and goals of the group.

I know they love their "leaderless" profile, but we all know there are several fighting among themselves to rise to the top of the group. They NEED leaders. As nice and utopian as it may seem to claim a leaderless collective, it simply does not work in a group this large.

Bottom line. We need smart, realistic people to lead a movement with focused relentless goals that don't stray.

Thanks again.. I always remind myself that I am not alone, and that there are people worse off than me. I appreciate what little I have left.

If you look at my other comments, you'll see that I often refer to people as occupy supporters. Sometimes that is a bit long to type out on my phone (where I post from) so when I say occupier, I don't assume you yourself are camping somewhere, but being a supporter. It does not change where you are coming from in your comments. Likewise, it is equally annoying to me, that just because I don't agree with ows tactics and relentless bullying comments, that that must mean I'm a government drone or supporter of bribes, greed, and corruption. I am against all those things, but don't believe ows crowd are the ones who will bring positive change. Thus my frustration with the ugly octopus. How was that going to convince anyone on the fence, that they should support this movement. If anything, it made people respect them even less...THERE lies my frustration. They've continually made bad choices that have deterred from the underlying message.

I will agree with you about the annoying "breaking news" interuptions and that the parade is pretty boring. I was curious to see if they showed the protesters too and tuned in to the end like you did. The difference, is that I was glad they didn't show it in the regular broadcast, because I think that would have been very inappropriate. They DID show it on the news several times, and that's where I saw it first. They even showed police getting the crowd to cheer. So sorry, but I just don't see where all this hate KTLA shit comes from. It was on KTLA news that I saw the coverage of it.

P.S. please see my comment to julileegal regarding unemployment.

I'm sorry, ShakinBoots for your delima. There are many who are equally in "dire straights", but still if the OWS doesn't shake things up, who will? Their float may have been in poor taste, but still how else can they draw attention to the 99% of us who are on the verge of collasping?We've been the "silent majority" too long while the religious right, big corporations and the very rich have used and abused us.The 99%ers for lack of another description have been allowed to accomplish the American Dream, only to have it snatched from us and we didn't see it coming.Of course we could hunker down and TAKE the abuse, but most red blooded Americans (to coin a phrase) can't do that. We have to fight. We just have to.There are just as many slobs in the 1% as the OWSers, the difference is in the cut of their clothes. They sit up in their Ivory Towers (probably in another country) and laugh and sneer at the ragged rubble they think we are. We just have to overcome this terrible catastrophe Bush perpetrated on us. I do hope good things happen to you in the New Year. Julileegal@gmail.com.

I have been unemployed for 2 years now. I am on the verge of losing everything. Some days all I have to eat are cans of soup. Point being...MOST Americans want the same things you mention, but that does not mean we agree that ows are the people to accomplish these things. Please see my most recent comment to Mcconnellandrij above. As you can see by the shallow name calling I've received by ows supporters, these are clearly not people I want to be marching with or to have representing me. I will continue to work to create positive change for myself and others, but I will not support a bunch of incoherent bullies.

I agree. And it is also not true that KTLA has never interrupted a regularly scheduled broadcast for "Breaking News," usually to show some idiot running from the police while they tail behind them waiting for the crash and burn, so all the arm chair wierdo's can get a vicarious rush. Or, that KTLA has never extended a program in progress to show something of "newsworthy" interest. I also like how when you disagree with an OWS critic, it is immediately assumed you are an OWS member, or that you are somehow ignorant or poor or unemployed or a communist or a pathetic,pot smoking loser. For the record, I am neither an OWS member or a proponent of the Rose Bowl parade. In fact, I didn't watch the majority of it, as I find it extremely boring, but I did tune in near the end to see if the media would cover the protest portion. Thay for me was of interest. Personally, I just would have liked to see a portion of the 2nd parade where apparently some concerned people from all walks of life made the conscious effort to publically demonstrate their dissatisfaction with banking practices and the current social structure in a peaceful and responsible manner. I guess using the word "News" in the wrong context, and my general curiosity toward that information makes ME the paranoid delusional.

Today I've been called a troll, a paid troll, a tool, a conservative, an agent provovocateur, an "it" and have been told to "eat shit", by occupy supporters, just to name a few examples. I've also been singled out, followed and criticized and insulted by Jim Olson repeatedly for not supporting ows tactics and for not using my legal name here. Nevermind that half of the people here are also using SNs. These are just examples from TODAY. Bullying and name calling is one of the more popular tactics used by ows and just another reason why I no longer support them.

On the other hand, I have never called occupiers anarchists, communists, or unamerican. I HAVE called them bullys (as you can see by the examples above,they are bullys). I have called them paranoid as a few claimed I was somehow working for the government and that I should call some perceived, imaginary "homicide detective friend" to show me dead bodies"...yeah, i'd say some are more than a little paranoid.

You just wanted another New Year with nice weather and beautiful flowers.  Huh!Well the OWS ones would like a job, a home, food on the table and a Congress that is for the people, not the 1%ers.  Have a nice day!

*knock knock* is anyone there?

In case you haven't noticed, half of the internet doesn't use their legal name online, including many posting here. Do you call them trolls too or just the ones who disagree with you?

You are seriously paranoid. Go ahead and keep on calling people who disagree with you, trolls and liars. All it does is show the more intelligent readers here, that you've got nothing to back up your programmed rhetoric with.

I see you couldn't respond to my post here: http://blogs.laweekly.com/info...

Why is that? Is it because you prefer to only go around calling people names instead of backing up your shit? Anyone can see the depth (or lack of) in your numerous name calling posts. Weak.

BTW, half the people here don't use their real names. You don't seem to have a problem with that as long as they agree with you. Based on the lack of thought or effort in your comments, it is really starting to look like YOU are a troll.

That's all good, but that's not what the parade broadcast is for. They showed it on the news and you could have seen it there.

If the parade itself is uninteresting to you, you didn't have to watch it.

I love that if you don't agree with whatever the people from Occupy are saying, you're an idiot, a fool, a facist or a corporate tool.  Well, if you don't agree with me you're an anarchist, unamerican, communist tool for thinking what you think, not what I think.  I think we should have MY opinion plastered all over the news so you have to see it any time you look at things.  Because MY opinion is right and yours is wrong.  Oh wait,,,I really sound like an occupy person now.  Damn

Paid troll doesn't use it's own name

Not true.  I'm not an occupier and I'm very interested in seeing what went on.  It would have increased the interest that the parade holds exponentially.

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What does any of your programmed drone rant have to do with anything I've said.

Since you mention it. There's nothing wrong with people wanting to enjoy their day without ows imposition. You have no idea how any of those people feel about the government, corporations, ect., but still you and your superior foolishness try to fault them for wanting to have a nice day.

Nobody except other occupiers we're interested in seeing them ruin a 123 year tradition, embarrass themselves, and discredit their supposed cause of fighting government corruption. Ows has a solid history now of making stupid choices. This was just another example and another reason why people don't take them seriously.

Btw, it's Ms. Boots to you fool.

Before insignificant points get in the way of the principle, I will correct my grammar: you're*  and I added an unnecessary "that." ha