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Joanna Ramos, 10-Year-Old, Dies in Girl Fight in Long Beach: Cops Say She Went Willingly to Alley For Confrontation

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Updated at the bottom with the coroner's conclusion. The girl was 10, not 11. The headline has been changed. First posted at 9:47 p.m. Saturday.

Cops say an 11-year-old who died following a street fight with an elementary school classmate willingly went to a Long Beach alley to battle her foe of the same age, and that no arrests have been made in the sensational case.

Long Beach police Deputy Chief Robert Luna said the victim, identified in reports as Joanna Ramos, died about 8:50 last night after she was hospitalized shortly before 6 p.m. Friday and medical workers called cops.

But he warned reporters during a 9 p.m. news conference tonight that ...

... rumors that Ramos was the victim of ongoing bullying did not appear to be supported by the evidence.

Some TV reports contended that Ramos was bullied and that the fight was ultimately over a boy.

The 11-year-old who fought with her, along with several "onlookers," were interviewed by detectives, Luna said.

Though no arrests were made, he said a case could be handed to the District Attorney's office for its consideration. And Luna asked for anyone who had information about the fight to call detectives at 562-570-7244.

He said it didn't appear Ramos was knocked to the ground, and he added that detectives don't believe any weapons were used. The fight, Luna said, lasted less than a minute.

The cause of death was in the hands of the L.A. County coroner.

Ramos and her foe apparently both went to the same elementary school and had planned to meet up in the alley to fight after school, Luna said.

Cops wouldn't identify the campus, but the Long Beach Press-Telegram noted that a makeshift memorial for Ramos has cropped up outside Willard Elementary School.


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[Update at 10:47 p.m.]: Long Beach police issued a statement with the following passages:

As Long Beach Police began investigating, it was learned that the decedent, and an 11-year-old female student at Willard Elementary, had been involved in a physical altercation with a female classmate. It was determined that afterschool, the two girls, and approximately seven onlookers, walked to a nearby alley to engage in a pre-planned fight. We believe the fight lasted less than one minute, did not involve any weapons, and that no one was knocked to the ground. Once the fight was over, both girls left the location and went their separate ways.

... Detectives have spoken with family members and friends of both girls, and no one has alleged or provided any information that the decedent was being bullied. None of the students interviewed thus far have informed detectives that school officials were made aware of the impending fight.

[Added at 11:03 p.m.]: CBS Los Angeles reports that Ramos actually went back to an after-school program following the fight, apparently not realizing that the injuries she sustained in the fight were bad enough to require hospitalization.

[Update at 11:23 a.m. Monday]: Coroner's officials have ruled Ramos death a homicide. The girl was 10, not 11 as originally reported, according to coroner's investigators.

Coroner's Assistant Chief Ed Winter told City News Service the girl's death was caused by "blunt force trauma to the head as the result of an altercation."

[@dennisjromero / djromero@laweekly.com / @LAWeeklyNews]


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Esteban Quiterio
Esteban Quiterio

uhh u dom yall shouldnt fight maybe u should be a good dancer whenu grow up but since ufighted khow u didnt go no were

Esteban Quiterio
Esteban Quiterio

uhh you dom y did u fight whith her yall should just say things but not fight and took your life away

Kstar562
Kstar562

I want the girl pay for what she have dawn.

Ilovya31
Ilovya31

I no rite she's the only reason my kuzin is in hevean

lolagirl
lolagirl

RE: THE NURSEunforunately, budget cuts have eliminated school nurses -- they come to each school one day a week, which is basically useless

RE: supervision: it is shocking, if true, that the after-school teachers knew about the incident and did not check her injuries; this girl's life could have been saved; her parents, also, should have been educated to ALWAYS have a head injury immediately checked by a hospital

Regal
Regal

What about the nurse? Are we to believe that the little girl was able to leave after complaining about feeling sick without first being checked through the nurse? I know when I was in elementary school, if we felt sick and wanted to leave, we went to the nurse first.

Ilovya31
Ilovya31

The nurse wasn't their now bc of what happen my kuzin is in heaven

Aries01967
Aries01967

I think the 11 year old should be charge with something. It might be a freak accident but u should no better. It just tells other children go ahead and fight dont use a weapon so hey if they die because u hit hem its ok. I DONT THINK SO    

Andres
Andres

This is a bad report I heard it by school my boy wanted to look but I said"no" the girl was punched in the brain and head there was no blood

Cindynmoreira
Cindynmoreira

When I heard this news I couldn't help but feel sorrow and disappointment. I can only help justice is served for her family and joana and the bully gets the right consequence. We have let bullying fester until it explodes and to nanny innocent lives with promising futures are being lost. We must teach compassion and love to our peers, we all share wounds- the bully and the person who's getting bullied but how we deal with it is what ultimately effects us

Jay
Jay

I'm with you Cindy! I hope there is justice for little Joanna. Even if it was a freak accident; children are in juvy for far less than manslaughter; even if they keep her the max for a minor till she's 21 it still won't be enough to take back that punch. Children need to learn as much as some so called adults that fighting is not ok.

Juan Mateo Montana
Juan Mateo Montana

I think the school IS responsible:1. She left campus and should have been supervised. Why wasn't she supervised?2. One of the stories said she was in an "after school program." Why wasn't she at the program? Why was there no accountability of her?

mayra
mayra

1. For all school authorities knew she could have been going home it's a huge crowd 200+ students leaving, and even during the school day they cannot really prevent a child from leaving if they want to (it's called ditching, kids do it all the time),further, school supervision doesn't extend very far from campus, all these kids had to do was walk a block away to be unseen.2. She did have to go to an after school program, but unless it was held in her homeroom she would have been allowed to go, in most schools she would walk from a home room to the cafeteria, but as stated in #1 if she chose to walk out no one would have stopped her. 

Juan Mateo Montana
Juan Mateo Montana

1. The school had a responsibility to supervise her - it is responsible for her from school to home. If she left school without supervision, it was the school's fault for having a free for all where students weren't being supervised.2. She is 10 years old and should be supervised as a 10 year old, not an adult. If the school had a problem with students leaving the campus unsupervised, they were responsible for letting the problem fester and thus being the cause of her death.

Plindy
Plindy

People, fist fighting, at any age, is NOT okay. Moreover, fighting over a boy when you are 11-years old is particularly disturbing. And I have to ask, why in the world was a group of elementary school children wandering around in an alley? Why were they there to begin with? Where were the adults? Where were their parents? I have an 11-year-old and I would NEVER allow her to wander around alone on the street after school! Who does that???What kinds of values are we instilling in our children when they are already consumed with BOYS at age 11, let alone, willing to fight over them?It should be pointed out as well, that this fighting occurred 2 days in a row, not just the one day. This was not a one time thing. Yes, it's terrible that she died, and I feel awful for her parents, but it would be outrageous not to question the parenting and lack of parental supervision that led to this tragedy.

service matters
service matters

William H. how long ago have you been at an elementary or middle school? If recently - you have no idea what you're talking about.

Kids set up fights on their own willingly - in fact - of all the pre-arranged fights I am aware of - both participants were eager to "go".

No different than for the last 200 years in America & the phrase, "would you like to take this outside?" was spoken in bars, family reunions, and other places arguments start.

I find it difficult to believe the fight killed this little girl unless in some freak factor of something like an incredibly weak bone density in the girl, her nose broke & fragmented into the brain.

Kids diets today (including school lunch) is quite lacking in nutrients - so she could have had weak bones - or the other girl just happened to hit her just right.

For an 11 year old girl to be able to do that kind of damage in under a minute - would be freaky indeed.

I used to work with juveniles & they are just kids who have no idea that they can really hurt each other.  With the girls it's usually more bark than bite - but some of these girls can really fight.

Anyway - it's sad that kids do these pre-planned fights - it's much more common than parents know.   

Charlie babitt
Charlie babitt

Why is everybody jumping on the bully bandwagon. Stop raising such pussies in America and we wont have a bullying problem. 

ASSHOLE
ASSHOLE

YOUR the reason why bulling exsist. grow up! think before you speak

Ipizzano
Ipizzano

It has nothing to do with parents raising pussies, as you are stating. It has to do with respecting others. We as parents need to raise our children to treat others as they would like to be treated.

Charlie, you're an idiot. You sound like a bully yourself.

Lauren
Lauren

 What are you even talking about? Have you ever been a young girl? If not, then shut up!

traivon25
traivon25

You need to stop being an Ass no one should have to bury their kids because of bullies. If parents stop raising their kids to be bullies then there would be no problem.

Pete Wagner
Pete Wagner

The investigation should now focus on what happened after she got to the hospital.  Tragic.

William H.
William H.

I guess we've forgotten what it's like to be 11 years old. You don't go willingly to fight in an alley after school, you go because of various peer presuures most of that imposed by the seven onlookers.

service matters
service matters

False - spend time with the kids 8 - 18. They set these up themselves. See it all the time.

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