Radioactive Rain Detected in Los Angeles

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For some unknown reason, people have been recently misconstruing radon washout for Fukushima (i.e. fissile fallout) Radiation. After a rain storm, natural decay products from uranium are deposited into the environment. The result can be many times the normal background readings for several hours. This is well known to science.

Radiation from Japan, even potentially dangerous amounts, is barely detectable and only by powerful equipment, such as a Gamma Spectrometer. The short lived radon progeny are of little concern but they have provided a wonderful facet for the conspiracy-minded.

Here is a good video showing gamma spectroscopy in action on some radioactive rain. What will be the results? I know, because I was the one who took the readings and they matched radon washout perfectly. Watch for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

EnviroReporter

More hooey from a fellow in love with himself who can't seem to read the work we've done since March 15, 2011. In our opus "Beta Watch" at http://www.enviroreporter.com/2012/02/beta-watch/4/ is a dedicated section showing how where our Radiation Station Santa Monica is not and cannot be affected by radon progeny. This section is backed up by a government report on radon in Santa Monica or, more accurately, the lack thereof, and a map of Los Angeles County showing no geological formations beneath our area that could produce radon progeny. Tom's basic problem is that his know-it-all attitude simply isn't backed up by the facts. The fact that this twee gent posit this nonsense seemingly backed up by "science" makes him more than just a foolish fallout denier; he in fact is a blessing for the nuclear industry which has been gifted the Fukushima meltdowns disaster which has resulted in a massive apathy about nuclear power's dangerous contamination of the environment in Japan, America and world wide. For shame, Tom.

stan

Can this possibly have anything to do with it: http://www.dailynews.com/news/... Afterall, wasn't it characterized as one of the "worst" nuclear disasters in the US and it is just miles from LA.

JoanS

It is tragically funny to read the posts of all these naysayers who are so busily rearranging the deck chairs as the Titanic goes down.

UltraVerified

First thought: Have to wonder if one of your local plants is leaking radiation. Ask people in Vermont what it's like to live next to a 40 year old nuke plant. Or people that live near Davis Besse, where more than 6 inches of steel was corroded down to less than one half inch on the reactor pressure vessel head - the 'defect' found almost by accident.

Yes it is likely that some of this bump up was from Fukushima or maybe even some old weapons plant, but I wouldn't rule out the other corroding ancient nuke plants nearby. Perhaps the boys are playing at San Onofre again even if it is "shut down", or Diablo Canyon is having "issues". I wouldn't trust them to report anything being amiss to the public, unless they are forced to.

I have zero trust in for-profit companies, in an industry that no company would ever even think of insuring, telling the truth about the hazards that they present to the public.

It's hard to tell if there's anything to this report. See possibly better source below:http://radiationnetwork.com/Me...

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fast ferret

Its really important to have the RIGHT equipment, and to know whether the activity that you are measuring is actually the RIGHT kind of activity. Like, for example, is it from Cs-137 or Sr-90? If so then you can actually blame Fukushima with some credulity. BUT, if its from another source then that would be perhaps even more important to know. We could easily have another problem that you just might be the first one to bring to the attention of the public. If you do not understand what I mean about the right activity then I suggest that you discuss with a third year university physics student subject like spectroscopy and the realationships between energy and wavelength. Little things like that. ;) You know ... Like the diference between beta and gamma radiation?

Michael Collins

@fast ferret: Haven't been to EnviroReporter, have you? After 1,500+ radiation tests, we sure as shootin' know our radiation. Heck, we've been using the "right equipment" since 2000 if you bothered to check our site. As for being able to identify isotopes, we are on track to do that too. Check out our Isotopic Identifier Fund. Folks like rapid rat here are like the drunk pulled over for weaving down the road. In attempting to explain to the cop why the vehicle was swerving, the drunk claims that *anything* is the reason except for the obvious reason: being drunk. I suggest that some of the meltdown deniers who have risen to attack me look at the hard reality of Fukushima: 3 uncontrolled meltdowns spewing goo for a year upwind and upcurrent of us, with another 7 reactors' worth of spent fuel rods about to crash to the ground in Unit 4. The radiation we're detecting is from Fukushima - and there is much much more to come.

Jakehecla

You "sure as shootin'" don't know what the hell you're talking about. First off, your measurements are taken with a GM counter, without using an anticoincidence system and in an unshielded room. This is far from an appropriate experimental setup considering the claims you're making. In addition, I see that you haven't even tried to stick to accepted scientific fact in your articles. Specifically, you state "alpha particles are 1000x as dangerous as beta/gamma radiation", which is an outright fabrication. Yes, they are rated as having a higher biological toll because of their double charge and high mass, but 1000x is a gargantuan stretch. To add to this, your buckyball claims are patently ridiculous. "Uranium-60", your favorite bugaboo isotope, doesn't even exist. In addition, the idea that buckyballs are carrying uranium in any harmful amount is pseudoscience based on paranoia, exaggerations and misrepresented research. I would wager that the scientists who discovered heavy-metal trapping in buckfullerenes would agree with me.

Michael Collins

Your screed is sure as shootin' hooey. First off, anyone with an excellent detector like the Inspector Alert nuclear radiation monitor can measure most media, minus the background radiation, and derive an accurate result. We thought that was pretty obvious.

Secondly, on EnviroReporter we have correctly stated that alpha radiation is up to 60 to 1,000 times more harmful than beta and gamma radiation. A 1982 study "Radioactivity in Cigarette Smoke" in the New England Journal of Medicine expounds on the upper range. So you have jaked the comparison rendering your comment moot.

Lastly, if you actually read "Beta Watch" or "The Endless Bummer," which are on EnviroReporter, you'd see that the existence of Uranium-60 buckyballs do indeed exist according to the historic report we cited that came out of U.C. Davis in January of which we were exclusively given a copy - "Uranyl peroxide enhanced nuclear fuel corrosion in seawater." This peer reviewed report appeared in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, hardly pseudoscience. Radioactive buckyballs from Fukushima are traveling the Pacific with great mobility and after 294 days, these hardy cancer-causing isotopes caged in a buckyball had not lost any ionization intensity. This is not good news for the coastal regions of the 44 countries lining the Pacific Rim.

Steve Schoner

The author of this finding should live here in Northern Arizona, It is a known fact that when the wind blows from the north radiation readings can jump to 20X above normal background. This is due to the uranium mines and also the widespread uranium deposits that exist on the Colorado Plateau. And adding to this traces from the 1940's to early '60's above ground A-bomb tests. Radiation is everywhere, it is a natural part of living on this planet. But in L.A. 5x above normal is nothing to worry about. But one should consider the presence of Cs-137 and other isotopes from nuclear reactor accidents. These can be absorbed into our food chain and have lasting effects. In Toronto, Canada, in the days after Fukishima there were reports of radioactive rain with readings much higher than 5X.

Michael Collins

@Steve Schoner: Radiation is everywhere, indeed, but what in Los Angeles, and on most of the West Coast, we are in no way impacted by uranium mines, uranium deposits or radon progeny. If you had read the piece and the two linked articles of mine, "Beta Watch," and "The Endless Bummer," you would see that we directly address these bugaboos pro-nukers like to dredge up. "But in L.A. 5x above normal is nothing to worry about" is flat out wrong. The California Highway Patrol considers anything 3x normal or above to necessitate a hazmat incident. I think readers will trust the CHP more than a naysayer who didn't read the material and came to the issue with preconceived notions not supported by good, prudent science. Thank you Dennis and LA Weekly for covering this.

Steve Schoner

I DID read the article! 5X above normal is common here in Northern AZ, from the mines and the fact that we are at 7,000 feet elevation. And there are times when it is much higher. And there is nothing that anyone can do about it, except pave over the entire Colorado Plateau. And 5X normal is what? Norma is .02-.3 mR/HR? So 5X above is .1 mR/HR to .15mR/HR. Look at the radiation charts, it takes many "R" to make one ill, and an "R" a thousand times a "mR." But more important to consider is what is the source for this rise. If it is radioactive isotopes from Fukushima then that is something to worry about. Cs-137 and Sr-90 can be absorbed into ones body. And these will then irradiate ones cells for decades with cumulative effects. But if the rise is due to natural forces, such as the Sana Anna winds, (And I know that they blow not only over CA but originate her in AZ and NV then there is nothing that anyone can do about a 5X rise over background. Solar storms can also give a rise in background as well, and there is nothing that we can do about that either. Radiation is all around us, but it is wise to find the source to see if it is caused by us and our reactors. gone awry.

Michael Collins

@Steve Schoner: We're confusing each other. Where you are, those levels are normal, of course, because of elevation and uranium prevalence just as you say. Here in LA at essentially sea level on a vast alluvial plains like our basin, we have no uranium, thorium, or radium isotopes to speak of. Our "normal" established before Fukushima and in 1,500+ tests since, is about 0.012 mR/hr (interior) to 0.014 mR/hr (exterior). You'll see in our video test that we tested the rain versus the current background and it was 506% of normal with high alpha radiation which is 60 to 1,000 times more dangerous than beta or gamma (which are dangerous too, to be sure). There was no Santa Ana winds factor and since we were measuring ionizing particulates in rain, it had nothing to do with solar storms. We have been "wise" to the source of this radiation since we first started detecting it in air, rain water, mist, food, drink and a variety of media, all substantiated on EnviroReporter.com.

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Most likely he is measuring airborne natural radioactivity

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"The Journal Environmental Science and Technology reports in a new study that the Fukushima radiation plume contacted North America at California “with greatest exposure in central and southern California”, and that Southern California’s seaweed tested over 500% higher for radioactive iodine-131 than anywhere else in the U.S. and Canada:".

-So kelp is now contaminated: http://www.scientificamerican....-Milk and milk products from the West Coast states currently have the highest levels of radiation in North America. AND radioactive isotopes are being found in tap water now.-And radioactive debris is right off the coast: http://www.washingtonsblog.com...

Yet no one is doing anything to decommission all of the troubled nuclear plants in our own country like San Onfre... http://www.scpr.org/programs/m...