Venice Bum-Haters Post List of Homeless-Advocate Addresses, Call It 'Guide to Safe Camping Locations'

Guest

why not just set up porta jon's "everywhere"?..i don't see how this problem will ever be fully resolved...

James

The problem with socialism is that there are far less wealthy people. When my generation(Y) gets the reigns we are going to add components of socialism and cut frivolous spending in the U.S. Putting people into a camp or another street does not fix these problem. These people are not in jail and many are not employable. They need care/housing and the govt needs to give it to them or people need to stop complaining. Just a reminder People live in the streets because they are not criminals(in jail) and can't afford a place to live.

PS Barack is on the cusp of(is) generation X. Things will change very slowly when X and Y get real political power many of the mistakes the baby boomers made/ are making will hopefully be fixed until then keep the ball in the air.

Audrey mcnamara

if this is the group advocating for humane treatment of homeless in venice... then count me in too. people are people....

audrey colette mcnamara

J. H. Ser

Here is an outing... look up MarcoPolo453 on Match.com and see what your neigbhorhood douchebag that posts people's addresses, but lies about his own age to women to get dates has to say. His profile starts off "So, I'm traveling around Europe in September and stop in Chatillon, Italy, to meet some relatives. My cousin Enrico asks if I want to try gliding."

Mark Ryavec lies about his age to women.... shame on you Mark. Afraid being over 60 is a turnoff?

Fastfreddy

i am tired of linda lucks ruining all of venice, to help a few

thanks mark, keep it up

J. H.

Mark Ryavec is an all star douchebag. Here is the introductory except of his "match.com" summary, where he lies about his age saying he is younger than he is. Lookup marcopolo453 and enjoy your arrogant lying neighbor, and what he says to get him some honeys. Google that bitches. "So, I'm traveling around Europe in September and stop in Chatillon, Italy, to meet some relatives. My cousin Enrico asks if I want to try gliding. And he introduces me to his brother-in-law, who is a gliding pilot."

Malacorazon

silly man. all he has to do is hire some dirt wads from Fullerton PD and they will just come over and kill the filthy beggars.

Suzanne in Venice

Venice is a community of compassion and actions taken by Mark Ryvak are

unacceptable. He needs to remove the addresses from his website and

give an apology for this actions.

Concernedneighbor

By your logic - Carol Sobel is responsible for the couple getting attacked on Rose last weekend by the pregnant prostitute and her bnoyfriend/pimp...

Venice Vortex

That is absolutely correct. Carol Sobel is responsible for the attack on the Venice residents. The city started to clean up the encampment. Carol Sobel filed her inappropriate lawsuit and the 3rd street clean up effort was stopped. Subsequently the encampment dirtbags attacked the innocent Venice residents. Carol Sobel is responsible and should be sued.

Concernedneighbor

You are a clown. Giving people some scraps of food and letting them sleep in squalor on a public street isn't compassionate - it's avoidance and misguided bleeding heart nonsense...

Venice Vortex

It Is Friday April 13th 6:45pm, here are the numbers on this forum.

15 People have made 52 comments, one comment was deleted because it was inappropriate.

66% - 10 of the respondents are concerned Venice residents that want the city to protect them and enforce the no camping law.

34% - 5 (an out of touch minority) preached to be kind to the homeless even if it puts the Venice residents in harms way.

The 5 social mafia members are (Linda luck, Venice Homeowner, Cady Clasby, Conerned neighbor, and Venice Mom)

The 10 Venice residents that are tired of the homeless sh*t that we have to take every day. and just want the city to protect us and enforce the no camping law are (Paul Troon, Venice Stakeholder, Venice Vortex, Concerned Neighbor, Jason teague, Neon, Garrick, James Baum, Grandmom, Dave Grossman.

conerned neighbor

The action of Mr. Ryavek is conistent with his prior actions all of which are based on malice, justified by his anger toward those who wish to assist the homeless in as benign a manner as possible. Mr Ryavic is now placing those he has designated and their families in jeapardy, as well as their neighbors. Mr Ryavic must be stoppped. Police reports are being filed but one would hope that Mr Ryavic would have something better to do than constantly atttacking those that are simply attempting to find a way to help others in need.

Concernedneighbor

First of all - learn to spell. (did you mean cornered or concerned?)Second - you stole my screen name if you meant concernedThird - you hit the nail on the head - 'in as benign a manner as possible' - that means doing nothing about the current situation because you don't want to hurt people's feelings. That is the exact reason we are in this current situation. You don't want to get your hands dirty. Not dirty meaning do mean things to the homeless - get your hands dirty meaning dig in and solve the problem for everyone involved. A solution that works for the entire community. The homeowners, business owners, visitors, AND the folks you are calling homeless.

'In as benign a manner as possible' means you don't want to think about it so let's give Steve Clare and other homeless advocate groups millions of dollars to feed and house the homeless - but only if they want to walk all the way to these facilities. If they don't want to make the long .3 mile walk no big deal - they can set up a tent, sleep wherever they want, and Steve Clare and other groups get to keep the money they aren't spending on meals etc. 'In as benign a manner as possible' means you don't really give a Sh1t as long as they're not your immediate problem.

Dave Grossman

Linda, please get out of the way here. Venice would be much better if you left..You are the one that would benefit the most by cleaning Venice a little. Your dam house has been on the market for sale for almost a year without an offer, maybe its because your street is one of the filthiest? Human feces, urine are a regular occurrence and lots and lots of trash. I hope for you Linda that the bank just takes your house away from you so I can buy it from the bank for half price.Keep it up Linda, I'm benefiting.

Concerned Venice Resident

The very fact that this columnist calls all homeless people "bums" shows that she fails to see a human disaster right in front of her eyes. Nobody says that having a homeless encampment near his/her house is a good thing. Linda does not say the homeless should squat on Third Avenue. She and the others listed here are just showing compassion for the poor. Apparently, seeing them as living beings and not "driving them from Venice" makes them somehow hypocrites for not inviting these needy people to come and live on their front lawns. We need to find solutions that help the poor among us. They are not "all violent" (of course violent people should be arrested and punished -- whether they are homeless people or 'neighborhood watch' volunteers shooting teenagers in 'self defense' -- there's a chance for violence in every group of people). Linda is looking for solutions, as are the others on this list. The hope that someone slits the throat of a woman who is trying to find a solution to homelessness shows just what the "Venice stakeholders" are like. They have indeed lost their marbles. They have lost their humanity. They should be ashamed.

Dingdongditch

I see them as human beings. I do not see them as people to SHRUG AT, maybe throw a few quarters, a random cot, or a slice of pizza. I see them as people to HELP. You don't. Linda Lucks does NOT. HELP means GETTING THEM OFF THE FUCKING STREET AND INTO EFFECTIVE PROGRAMS. IT DOES NOT MEAN LETTING THEM SQUAT ON A SIDEWALK, BEGGING FROM AND HARASSING RESIDENTS. GROW-THE-FUCK-UP.

Concernedneighbor

Please list one single proposed solution to the 3rd street squatters encampment that has come from Linda Luck's office.

Concernedneighbor

BTW - the columnist uses the word 'bum-hater' in a tongue and cheek way - meant to demean Mark and the VSA. If you could read you'd know she's on your 'side' you cow...

James Baum

You seem to be yet another "as long as it isn't in my neighborhood" individual. I challenge anyone here that is OK with what is going on on 3rd street to post their block that they live on. You don't need to post your address, just the block you live on so that we can let the individuals squatting near our houses know that they have a place to go where they will be appreciated. Something tells me that you you don't have the guts since you don't even have the guts to post your own name on a blog. I bet you wouldn't even be willing to walk down 3rd st at night alone, I mean I am 6'5" and 200 lbs and you won't find me walking that street alone at night. It is a shame that as a resident I feel that I must avoid an area next to my house for fear of being assaulted because the LAPD doesn't have the power or will to enforce the law there.Also when you say, "Apparently, seeing them as living beings and not "driving them from Venice" makes them somehow hypocrites for not inviting these needy people to come and live on their front lawns." This shows that you aren't in touch with what is going one here. These people are on 3rd st because they are no longer able to squat on the Boardwalk. As soon as laws on the Boardwalk were enforced they found a safe haven where laws weren't enforced. I am sure this encampment wouldn't be allowed next to the Venice Canal houses but since it is near more affordable housing people think it is OK. It is not OK. There are laws for a reason and city ordinances for a reason. They are not being enforced and peaceful Venice residents are being assaulted and suffering because of it.

Jason Teague

We are the ones having our private property stolen. We are the ones stepping in human sh*t. And now we are the ones getting our teeth knocked out. You just sit there behind your nom de plume, casting stones from your glass house. You are pathetic.

Venicestakeholders

Venice Homeowner:

You should show a little care in ascribing to Venice Stakeholders a comment made by "Answer to a Whiny Liberal" above. That is their opinion, not mine, and certainly not made on behalf Venice Stakeholders. I have no idea if he/she is even Venice residents.

Mark

James Baum

Sorry Ms. Luck, you are the one that has lost your marbles if in fact you ever had them. This encampment is less than half a block from my home that I have owned and lived in for 12 years now. Things have never been this bad even when the St. Joseph's Center was on the same block. Assaults, rampant drug use, public urination and defecation, increased crime rates in theft of things such as bikes are all happening right here on Rose and 3rd. As tax payers we shouldn't have to stand for this. My girlfriend is not comfortable walking around my neighborhood anymore at night time for fear of being assaulted like two of our neighbors were the other day. You are defending these squatters who are in defiance of even the lenient Jones Settlement that stipulates that you can only sleep on the sidewalks between 9PM to 6AM. These people have set up permanent living quarters. Enforce the city ordinances or the citizens of the surrounding areas are going to be forced to do so ourselves. You talk the talk but can you walk the walk? Will you allow these squatters in your neighborhood or are you simply one of those people that is fine with things going horribly wrong unless it effects them directly?

Neon

Linda always loves to play the sympathy card. She should be ashamed,and scolded as a bad, bad, grandma. She has no credibility here or in Venice anymore. She's been outed too many times as one of the elite group of beneficiaries who make money off the plight of the homeless. She's a consummate enabler to the broad group of addicts, drunks, active criminals, street people, parolees, RV gypsies, bums, and even a few real down on their luck homeless all characterized in the grand scheme by labeling them homeless in the name of Social Service bucks. Linda and St. Joseph's, two enabling peas in a pod. Lots and lots of money, little or no results. Compare track record of Linda and St. Josephs to PATH or the Venice Family Clinic. A world of difference on how to successfully run a social service verses soaking up bucks and enabling the actions to continue in order to soak up even more bucks. Over 20 years in Venice I've watched this occur in plain sight of present Councilman Rosendahl and predecessor Ruth(less) Galanter and nothing gets accomplished. Just more bucks and enabling. For once I'd like to see Rosendahl and his social service supporters and downtown developers have the balls to admit they have designated Venice to be the dump of the Westside. Afterall, the squatters and street people all have picked up on the social services and council-manic expressions that Venice is the traditional area for the down and out. Bulls**t ! It never was and the people of Venice never will never welcome squalor, governmental indifference, and danger to their homes(homes meant in a general way) . It's danger and squalor folks, not the Bedlam campground.

Blain Pembroke Worthington

The homeless are invading Catalina Island as well. Just last week I saw a gentleman whom I suspected was homeless enjoying a beverage on the patio at Starbucks. I assumed he was homeless considering the lack of recognizable brand of clothing he was wearing. His penny loafers appeared to be scuffed as well. I immediately phoned the police to voice my concerns. I hear the Palasaides and Calabasas are overrun with these creatures as well. God help us all.

Concernedneighbor

Really 'Blain Pembroke Worthington' - you sound like a man of the people yourself...

Jason Teague

Linda Lucks seems far more concerned about the release of her address than the assault on two of our neighbors. Is this really the person who should be representing Venice? She should probably just stick with representing herself- and those who pay her, like Steve Clare.

Venice homeowner

Nonsense.

Jason Teague

What is nonsense? She is a paid employee of VCHC. This is not conjecture- this is fact. Oops, sorry- I know that fact is a four letter word for you. Get your facts straight before wasting our time. We are trying to solve problems, not just bitch about them.

Venice Vortex

Cady these is not a solution to the homeless problem. Dumping the homeless in Venice is not a solution, The Venice residents are tired of living in a homeless toxic landfill.

Cady Clasby

Linda working where ever has nothing to do with this issue. Name calling, death threats, vilifying all homeless is not how you solve the problem. That IS bitching about it.

Maybe an article which is calling for action, inviting all the community, encouraging the community to help come up with a solution is a step in THE RIGHT direction. A public forum or meeting (if everyone can handle themselves) is more appropriate, rather than adults bashing each other.

Concernedneighbor

The people on 3rd are not homeless - they're squatters. They believe that their 4 sidewalk squares are their own private property - complete with tents, kitchen tables, and lounge chairs. The ACLU has convinced them - and the City by not moving them has tacitly agreed - that they can take whatever space they want and make it their home. There are dozens of available beds in homeless shelters here in Venice - but they are 'inconveniently' located (not close enough to the beach/boardwalk) and have crazy rules like 'no drugs' or 'no alcohol'. Keep in mind - these are not our friendly Venice homeless folks that smile and say 'good morning' when they walk by. These are a new breed of belligerent, entitled, and hostile squatters. Let's stop calling them 'Homeless' and maybe we'll get somewhere in restoring peace, quiet, and safety on the Rose corridor.

venice mom

This is so irresponsible. Disagreeing on public policy is one thing. Inciting people to take action on other people's private property--and I agree that it's the angry mob, not the homeless that are the threat here--is despicable. This is a desperate move in a long agenda to silence differing viewpoints.

Concernedneighbor

Nobody was inciting action on other's private property - they were just inviting the campers to do exactly what they are doing on our street somewhere else. If you think what they are doing now is dangerous and scary then you have to agree that they shouldn't be doing it on our street either...

James Baum

Please post your address so we can direct the squatters to your neighborhood.

Grandmom

We are not an angry mob! The squatters are the angry mob. Beating up people, stealing, assaulting people. We have been asking for help to protect ourselves, children, homes & property. All we get are more squatters moving in from all over the country. Why? Because there is no enforcement of the laws.And yes we are desperate. We have been begging for help.

Pablito

Here's another good camping spot:

http://maps.google.com/maps?oe...

Venicestakeholders

Without exception in Venice encampments such as the one on 3rd Avenue have bred violent crime. In the last two years we have witnessed the rape and murder of a woman pregnant with twins on Electric Avenue by a mentally ill drifter, the repeated rape of a young run-away held hostage under the Venice Pier, a stabbing death in a fight by two homeless individuals over a beer on the Boardwalk, the assault last month of two uniformed officers by a man living on 3rd Avenue, and the throat slashing of a local realtor by a homeless man he had employed in part time work. Just this last night 8 denizens of 3rd Avenue attacked a young couple parking their car on the street, knocking the female to the ground and breaking one of her front teeth in a robbery attempt. The Venice community refuses to accept the lethal risk that is always present when these camps form. I would prefer that those who want housing be provided housing, but we are unwilling to take the risk to life, limb and property posed by these encampments while the City and County officials sort it all out. We want the laws enforced here just as they are elsewhere in the City. And yes, the Weekly's writer is correct; our Guide to Safe Camping spots is indeed meant to give Linda Lucks and her fellow homeless advocates an opportunity to "walk the walk" and accommodate these transients on their doorsteps instead of imposing them on the good residents of Rose, 3rd Avenue, Sunset and Hampton who at the moment are the ones having to cope with the crime, assaults and human waste that is generated by these campers. So, Linda, you have not responded to our letter. Can we send a few of the 3rd Avenue crowd over to sleep on your doorstep?

Venice Hoimeowner

How do you propose to "send" people to someone's doorstep? Are they your toys? Why do you think they are on Third Street? Because they have someplace else to go? Do you believe that by saying they are all violent, people, everyone will go along with your heartless program to drive all poor people away? This is all just disgusting and childish, and I see below that you resent being linked with the throat-cutter whose vile comment appears early in this string. But objectifying people leads to such violent talk -- that didn't come from a homeless person, no matter where he/she lives. It was encouraged by your group and your attacks. Lay off. Listen to the wiser voices writing here and engage in fair political dialogue with your opponents. You may not get everything you want, but neither will they. Maybe the homeless people will find some path to dignity and a better life than being treated as pawns in somebody's obsession about removing unsightly poor people from the view of upscale residents.

Dingdongditch

You are completely, totally delusional. Jeeebus.

Concernedneighbor

Really? Your side doesn't 'send' people to occupy, protest, or vote for obamacare? Are they your toys? I love the double standard...

Venice Vortex

I am a 20 year plus Venice resident. The homeless in Venice are a special belligerent breed that are shelter resistant. Mark did the right thing, no other community would tolerate the skid row environment that is forced on Venice. Linda needs to listen to the community. The majority of the Venice residents are tired of the homeless plague. Linda listen to the majority of Venice residents.

Venice Homeowner

I'm sorry, but on what basis do you make this statement? There are some drug dealers and violent people around, but there are others who are only needy. This is a hard time in this country. Weed out wrong-doers, but don't assume that people are bad or a "special breed" because they are poor. There isn't enough low cost housing in this town even for the working poor. Some of the people on the street are families. Have you ever talked to them? I doubt it. Stop making people into objects -- that's the first step to justifying violence against them. Already in this comment string, someone has asked for violence against Linda. What kind of people are you? Maybe Venice would be better off without people who wish violence on their neighbors.

Concernedneighbor

Just because people are down and out doesn't mean they have a right to live at the beach. There may not be affordable housing for them here in Venice but there is safe, clean, affordable housing inland. Sorry - people don't have an inalienable right to live where ever they want. Otherwise, I would be gladly be homeless St. Tropez...

James Baum

I am pretty sure that the one armed guy that walks up and down Rose and screams profanities at you if you don't give him money isn't a family guy. If he is then God help his family.

By the way by not wanting anything done about the problems originating from 3rd st it seems that in a way you are wishing harm on your neighbors. Someone is going to get seriously hurt down the road here, it might be a resident or it might be a squatter but I don't see this ending well if the LAPD isn't allowed to do their job and enforce city ordinances. Oh and I am not preaching vigilantism here, I am simply saying that someone else is going to be assaulted by one of these people down the road and it isn't going to end well.

Venice Vortex

Venice homeowner is not a real Venice Homeowner. He is an imposter. I know this because I am a real Venice homeowner and friends with my neighbors the real Venice homeowners and we know that the Venice homeless in Venice are not families or poor guys that lost their jobs and are trying to get back on their feet. I see the homeless everyday here, the same guys smoking the crack, drunk, and hanging out on the grass getting high saying inappropriate things to young girls.

I do not wish any violence on my neighbors, and I am not a homeless hater, but the boardwalk terminal homeless is a special breed that no one should have to be subjected to.

There needs to be a solution other than dumping these guys in Venice to compromise the quality of life of the residents. Enforce the law, no camping in Venice. Keep Venice safe and clean.

Concernedneighbor

I can guarantee that you don't live anywhere near the corner of 3rd and Rose - because I do and I hear screaming, fighting, vomiting, and all other unseemly sounds at all hours of the night. I have friends that won't visit at night anymore because they're afraid to park on rose and walk to my front door...

Venice Homeowner

Sorry, can't keep arguing this, believe what you want, but I am real and I am not alone. And I am not a "he." Why can't you believe that someone who disagrees with you isn't a troll? People just disagree with you. Too bad.

Garrick

I find Linda's comments extremely disappointing. As head of the neighborhood council, Linda asked all members to sign a Code of Civility--apparently it applies to everyone but her? She refers to the people she represents as having "lost their marbles," an "angry mob," and "Ryavec's possee." Moreover, she apparently forgets the time she tweeted the location of Mr. Ryavec's home to all of her friends. If only Linda could practice what she preaches--oh wait, that's the point of the Guide.

Venice Homeowner

"The guide?" I'm sorry, but what is the point of "the guide?" We have a real problem here that involves real people -- suffering poor people who do not deserve to be treated as dirt. Linda responded angrily to someone who insults anyone who tries to help them. This is no way to find a solution to homelessness. It's just infantile dirty tricks that waste time and resources on personal acrimony.

Dingdongditch

If LL is so freaking awesome and effective, then how come we have a bazillion "outreach" organizations in Venice that basically just stand in a doorway and hand things out, but NEVER EVER EVER actually act like a point-person for housing, medical care, and employment the MOMENT someone walks through that doorway? Why? It's a system of enabling, that's why. If she was really the Mayor's "girl," perhaps she would have figured out a way to actually start changing the lives of the homeless for the better. The policies of these so-called "social-service" assholes is what's actually cruel, not the defensive attitudes of residents who just want to live in a safe environment. Using homeless people as chips in some kind of screwed up, politically-fixed poker game is what is DISGUSTING.

Cady Clasby

As resident of Venice and a social worker, I am insulted at the statements: "NEVER EVER EVER actually act like a point-person for housing, medical care, and employment the MOMENT someone walks through that doorway" and "'social-service' assholes."

Which organizations do you know of? How well do you know the services they provide and clients served?

The only reason there isn't MORE being done, is because of funding (which we have to jump through hoops for) and opposition in the community: hate mail, letters, articles, comments, threats...like what is going on here. There are people that are TRYING!

I am sorry you feel this away about non profits and social work professions. Personally, I would be overjoyed if we could solve the problem of homelessness! I do not want people on the streets either, especially if it is making the community unsafe. To solve this problem BOTH SIDES MUST be willing to compromise and figure out a way to solve this problem.

As a young professional, I would appreciate and value public opinions much more if you weren't sending hate mail, name-calling, and vilifying all homeless in general. Adults never cease to amaze me. Yes, this message is brought to you without personal insults!

Garrcik

Um--she's the President of the VNC. She is supposed to be a leader, not a namecaller. The infantile dirty tricks that you complain about are ones that she has engaged in (ask Linda the next time you see her why she tweeted the location of Ryavec's home). The Guide is satire, frankly it's somewhat sad that you don't get it. We might have a difference of opinion, but please don't pretend that Linda is in any way a victim.