Emily McCaughan, EDC Vegas Raver Who Fell to Her Death, Had Ecstasy, GHB in Her System

filth-tribe

You all need to remember that MDMA does not contain meth, its just that MOST XTC pills are CUT with Meth! That's why someone would test positive for meth if they took XTC pills. Pure MDMA does NOT contain meth...

Guerro

EDC = Excessive Drug Consumption.

ernestogoldstein

Friends gotta look out for friends if you're gonna do that crazy shit.

Anonymous

Methamphetamine is NOT a chemical component of MDMA. It is chemically similar to it, but there is no relation of meth to MDMA. Do your fact checking.

anonmouse

@Anonymous Correct. But what's being sold as 'ecstasy' these days is far from pure MDMA. It usually is cut with speedy/methy ingredients that lead to bad times.

djromero moderator editortopcommenter

@Anonymous I wrote the definitive story on the godfather of ecstasy, Sasha Shulgin (look it up), and have checked quite a few facts on this. MDMA stands for 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine and any tox test for ecstasy will also turn up positive for meth.

jjl052

@djromero right but the statement "meth is a component of MDMA" is completely erroneous. there is a difference between sharing a chemical component and belonging to the same chemical family, as anonymous eluded to.

Franklin

@djromero @jjl052 Well, actually no, it's not.

From the very first sentence of the abstract of the AAPSJ study you cited: "Methamphetamine (METH) and its DERIVATIVE (emphasis mine) 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA; ecstasy) are 2 substituted amphetamines with very high abuse liability in the United States."

So clearly, if MDMA is a DERIVATIVE of methamphetamine, then your initial assertion is exactly backwards, as in fact, MDMA is derived from methamphetamine, not the other way around.

And to clarify, "derived" in this context does not equate to anything as simple as "building block" or some other modular part of the larger methamphetamine molecule.

I am very interested in your statement regarding toxicity results for methamphetamine fatalities always showing positive results for MDMA as well. Can you point me to references for this ??

TheDude

@djromero FAIL for citing Wikipedia. C'mon son. What is this some half ass book report.

Anonymous

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@djromero @jjl052 Because Wikipedia is a GREAT source for information! It's not like people can go edit bullshit into it. Nope, not at all.

jjl052

@djromero and correction: three atoms.

jjl052

@djromero also, apologies for the formatting. don't know why my line breaks aren't showing up.

jjl052

@djromero you are correct in that regard. methamphetamine and MDMA differ by a total of four atoms. so to say that MDMA and methamphetamine are structurally similar is completely true. but your intended usage of the word "component" is elucidated in the latter portion of your sentence:"Meth is a chemical component of MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine), so it's not clear if she took additional methamphetamine on its own."you are implying by administering "MDMA", you are taking some mixture of MDMA and methamphetamine, which is recursive and doesn't make much sense. it's also simply not true. they are highly related drugs, and the biochemistry of them is very similar, but they are different compounds."Amphetamine is a chemical component of meth (methyl-amphetamine), so it's not clear if she took additional amphetamine on its own."if you're administering pure meth, you're not also taking plain-jane amphetamine. they just belong to the same chemical family.

djromero moderator editortopcommenter

@jjl052 http://m.drugabuse.gov/publications/teaching-packets/neurobiology-ecstasy/section-i/2-define-ecstasy

djromero moderator editortopcommenter

@jjl052 Wait, what happened to "completely erroneous" Maybe you failed to check your facts. Meth is, in fact, a chemical component of MDMA. If you look at the chemical structure of MDMA, it's there.

jjl052

@djromero methamphetamine and MDMA are both members of the phenethylamine family of chemicals.

your assertion that methamphetamine is a COMPONENT of MDMA is misleading. just because MDMA has the word "methamphetamine" in its name does not mean it actually contains methamphetamine. while not a completely accurate analogy, it is like saying apple is a component of pineapple.

pure MDMA is its own chemical; pure meth is its own chemical. they are related but completely separate entities, and NOT constituents of each other. a lot of true things relating the two can cause confusion for some people:

1. the fact that they show up on the same tox screening is indicative of the fact that they are chemically related, NOT because MDMA is some logically inconsistent mixture of itself and meth.

2. ecstasy, the street name for MDMA, is often adulterated with other chemicals, including methamphetamine. to say meth is a component of ecstasy isn't necessarily false, but to say meth is a component of MDMA is inaccurate.before you barrage me with wikipedia links and infosheets, please look into what you actually mean by the word "component".