Joe Jones Manifesto: Black Ex-LAPD Cop Says Of Dorner, 'I Understand'

(IMMIGRATION REFORM):  I want to know about immigration reform, what up with that ?

I would like to know if the officers that were put on paid suspension for shooting into the truck with the 2 elder ladies were fired and charged with attempted murder? I haven't heard anything else about it and was wandering why these charges were not filed or if they were.

And so life isn't fair. And it especially wasn't fair to the Good Officers shot and those killed by this pos. And to kill an innocent daughter of the captain. And his fiance who was black. Little discussed about him? Why? To keep it implied a racist police department against a black man. But this pos who killed another black man who had NOTHING to do with his personal battle. Sorry, the pos may have been wronged but INNOCENT people were killed. And he tried to kill many more that is unreported in this story. Good riddance to the pos. He may have had a viable case but he lost it all killing INNOCENT people and good cops he knew NOTHING about. Being a cop is a hard job. And it is not perfect. My job though doesn't involve dangerous felons does involve the same racial and injustice . The difference is, I do not kill INNOCENT people. I move on if need be. Notice that this pos 'mom' wasn't even interested. What a good boy the pos was. Not. Good riddance. And the burning cabin was only the beginning of his final journey where he will spend eternity. 

My heart and sympathies to the slain officers and families. And to the officers who had to participate in the manhunt to get this creep. Imagine hunting your own.

This Department along with the Monrovia Police Department now each have their own sexual predators in those agencies. They border each other one Sergeant Verna who was accused of molesting a male cadet and now Lieutenant Camacho who is accused of molesting a female cadet. Sergeant Verna is still patrolling the city of Monrovia as that case was settled and not properly investigated so lets see how the Irwindale Police Department handle this case. 

A cadet who said she was sexually harassed and later forced to quit has sued the Irwindale Police Department, the second lawsuit in six months to question the behavior of a high-ranking police lieutenant

Both lawsuits filed against the agency name Lt. Mario Camacho. In July, Officer Rudy Campos filed a federal lawsuit alleging that he didn't get overtime and received negative performance evaluations after he voted against a contract provision Camacho favored. That case is pending.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-73896821/

" It was parked close to a red curb, and a sheriff's deputy had a problem with it. He pulled out his LAPD ID to indicate, he said, "I'm not an issue for you," but in response he says the deputy "proned me out" at gunpoint."

Keep in mind this is HIS side of the story and he comes off as a corrupt guy who thinks he is above the law!

As a former Police Officer I too understand and I stand with Joe Jones. Police Officers like Dorner try to stand up for themselves and for what they believe is right, but are met with retaliation that is so brutal and unforgiving that officers are forced out of the force; especially if the person involved is well connected with management or is well liked. Some simply try to fight the system after they are pushed out and with the little money they have, they fight until they can no longer afford a high power attorney and simply just move on with their lives.  I can tell you that many want to do what Dorner did, but won't! Some commit suicide and some just find new careers and move on.

Then there are all those today that wear the badge and watch the corruption and abuse hiding behind the badge and will turn their heads just waiting for the retirement day to come and simply just walk away from all this madness when they retire. You all know who you are that are the so-called "company men" All police departments have these officers.  They say NOTHING, stand for NOTHING and protect NOTHING and yes its true they will say "I DONT LIKE CONFLICT."  They come to work every day, hit the locker room, throw on the uniform, hit the street, collect their paycheck and go home. These officers know the repercussions of going against the powerful blue code of silence. These officers who just "go along to get along", the "company men & women" have no backbone and destroy the foundation of courage.  I would agree with Dorner on this,  these officers are the enablers of those who are guilty of misconduct and you are just as guilty as those who break the code of ethics you swore to protect.

Now that Journalist are paying attention and Dorner has sacrificed his own life maybe now there may be some justice for not only Dorner, but for the hundreds of other officers in the United States that are wrongfully targeted and terminated for reporting misconduct and trying to make a difference. 

For now as a former law enforcement officer, I also ask for journalists to focus their attention on Dorners manifesto and get into what really happened. I don't agree with Dorners extreme actions of taking innocent lives. The disbelief that your brothers in blue could conspire to push you out lives in my heart every single day. For this, I feel his pain and can relate to his suffering, but to take innocent lives is  unforgivable and only wish he had researched his options more carefully and reached out to the media or other support groups to get some help.  I have a read the manifesto written by Dorner on his Facebook Page that points to some serious misconduct.  Why are those officers and supervisors still employed?  Also, why were Capt Phil Tingirides and Sgt Anderson allowed to remain on the Board of Rights even after Dorner indicated that the assembled Board of Rights Panel had personal friendships with the person he reported to have committed misconduct?  Not Good!

Personally I would have raised this concern as this would have raised RED FLAGS all over the place. I would have known immediately that this was NOT going to be a fair and impartial jury of my peers. The person that Dorner reported for misconduct was not going to get any discipline for this whatsoever and Dorner knew this; this is why he wanted a different Board of Rights Panel.  Dorner walked into this Board of Rights with a big bull’s-eye on his back and the LAPD shot him in the back even before he pleaded his case. I'm sorry that’s just how this seems right now.

Look at this article for example found on twitter as a reminder that this type of incidents happen in other agencies too and not just the LAPD.   

In this incident a black police officer files a complaint saying that his Police Sergeant said blacks with college degrees did not earn them & Africans are Lazy and then flaps his arms around mimicking a monkey. He goes on to say more demeaning remarks about african americans. This department had numerous complaints and lawsuits for harassment and discrimination dealing with racial and sexual orientation. These complaints were made back to back and do you think anyone was fired? Do you think those officers still work there? No, those officers are no longer cops.  Interesting read.  

1) http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_7633993

2) http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_11908435  

As a 38 year Proud resident of Los Angeles I've followed this story and am completed disheartened once again by the abuse law enforcement take even after acting heroically in defense of their city's residents and each other.  There has been alot of news coverage but one particular passage stood out today.  A lone California Fish and Game officer spotted Dorner in a car on the road during yesterday's manhunt. Now i'm not a law enforcement expert but I don't think Fish and Game officers are accustomed or fully trained to engage mass murders, let alone highly trained mass murderers with police/military/combat experience.  Was he a racist? I certainly hope not. But maybe. Was he a husband? I don't know but chances are yes. Did he have kids? Probably.  By the time this officer saw Dorner it was well known he was a trained killer. Expert Sniper marksman, deadly shot with combat experience. What this all means is the officer (all officers) knew very well that if you got into a shootout with this man you were probably going to get shot, if not killed.  In spite of whatever racial biases (if any), prejudices, presence of a wife, kids he turns his patrol car around and immediately engaged dorner and ended up in a gunfight for his life..which thankfully he survived.  I wonder how many people so quick to criticize police would have acted to bravely? How many of you so quick to hate police and immediately assume the worse would have turned your car around and faced a mass murderer alone as this officer did? Think that one through for some time the next time your in the mood to bash police.

Look, is there racism? Of course there is. I'm not here to convince anyone there isn't a problem with police oversight and consequences for rogue officers.  You can tell many of the negative comments towards police come from people who have experienced negligent police behavior first hand..and i doubt those officers were brought to justice. BUT keep things in perspective.  Here's a scenario i hope helps balance some of the commentary going on in these posts...

Imagine the Law Enforcement agencies that defend Los Angeles from LAPD to LA Sheriffs were as evil and corrupt as a WHOLE like some believe. What would they do? Excessive force? Illegal search? Plant evidence? No.   If they were really evil and had no regard for their city and its citizens they would all conspire to not show up for work for an entire week. No patrol, no 911 response, no one watching the jails, no investigations no uniforms ANYWHERE for a week.  And they would tell no one of their plans to do so.  If you think the cops are violent wait until you see who they deal with on a day to day basis completely unsupervised and free to roam the city.  Think of your home, your belongings, your women, your husbands, your children, your safety, your streets, your schools.  No cops. But  all the killers, rapists, home invaders, pedophiles all free to do as they please.  

 Ready for that? 

Would it help if there were White Women whom are moms and wives standing up with signs in L.A. or somehow getting involved with 'BELIEVING CHRIS'S LETTER'??  I don't normally do this but I cried this morning knowing that this good man was broken after all the LAPD put him through.  I don't believe in his killings but I BELIEVE HIM!  I know there must be SOME good officers, there must be... But how can we rid the Evans and those officers now in higher positions who kicked Rodney King???  If we don't make a stand now when the time is right than we may as well forget it.  What is worse, any GOOD OFFICER will NEVER ever report another officer with abuse because they know what the consequences are.  What is the difference between the MOB and an organization like this.  Again, I am certain there are some good officers.  LETS CLEAN OUT THE BAD.  christine385

For you folks living in a bubble: the LAPD's rich history of corruption, racism and impunity is so famous and well-documented that there is an entire industry devoted to it: academic studies, crime novels...and an entire film genre. That so many (white) commentators on this board consider the claims of Dorner and Joe Jones implausible is another indication of how self-deluded and willfully ignorant a sector of our society is. Sad. The good news is that by the time my kids reach adulthood, a majority of Americans will be non-white and you all will be the minority. I look forward to that.  

RIP Dorner and his victims.

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Getting sweated for illegal parking and trying to use your badge as an excuse is NOT a civil rights violation.  Go fuck yourself for bringing forward this bullshit "manifesto" at this juncture, Hoe Jones.

How the fuck does this ex-swine compare himself almost getting a parking ticket from the sheriff's to what Dorner alleges??  You're a minority and had a gun pulled on you by what you considered to be fellow pigs.  Fucking opportunistic bastard.

It is time that the good men and women of LAPD claim their agency. It is time for the good men and woman of LAPD Occupy themselves. It is not a matter of taking back the LAPD from a culture of corruption, but over-taking the culture of corruption in LAPD. It is time for the good men and women of LAPD to form their own Occupations. To stand up, speak out, and expose the corrupt to broad daylight. Even if the corruption has touched you. The only way to clean it off of you is to expose it.

http://oolith.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/joe-jones-manifesto-will-not-be-removed/

critical mass : that's what's needed . a critical mass of cops coming forward with the truth . but then, since the vast majority of cops are guilty of at least lying to protect that blue line, unlikely it will ever happen .

until then, it's critical mass of civilians we need : people saying no to cops every day . say 'am i being detained?'  no?  walk away . say no to searches every time . lock car doors when pulled over , turn on the video recorder in your phone, keep hands visible so they have no excuses to shoot ... roll window down only the quarter inch necessary to hand out a copy of driver license ... make alot of copies, don't give 'em the real license ... if the stop is bogus or the officer is even remotely rude or disrespectful, request the presence of a superior officer, the shift commander, every time . roll window back up tight

Joe Jones: all talk, no action

OH, and where is the hit squad for the police who shot those women??   Their execution should have been just a swift as what is planned for Dorner.... clearly some lives are more important to the goon squads than others.

And GOON squads is EXACTLY the term for these sadists.  Those who gravitate to that work are damaged goods... usually former military... just aching to hurt somebody with impunity

This 65 year old self employed grandmother - has no criminal record - no guns, drugs, booze or gambling.  A model citizen -- and even I have zero sympathy for the LAPD.  Too many of us have seen stories of pets shot by intruding cops, children beaten and cuffed, monstrous para military types on police depts.

 Just last week Denver police tossed dozens of people out of their cars and cuffed em on the curb -- to catch a BANK ROBBER who was nearby.  Innocent people grabbed, thrown down and detained -- roughed up if they protested!!  By these pathological monsters

I'm not sure I would be walking around free today had my family been roughed up for expediency and Wells Fargo.   There is no constitution for the citizenry anymore... it's all about TERROR, by and for the ruling elite... against the rest of us.

Go Dorner Go.... I wish there were more of you.

The Dorner manifesto looks doctored by COINTELPRO

we all know where this is going. they're going to use Dorner and the fact that the LAPD can't keep this hunt on forever to convince people that using drones domestically on guys like his is an option. Then guess what: drones everywhere in the US.

You have to be a complete fool if you think letting the courts deal with corrupt cops is going to accomplish anything. The LAPD has used excessive force since day 1 and all the protesting and voting isn't going to change a damn thing. The LAPigD is a corrupt violent entity and your peaceful outrage don't mean shit to them. You can obey and fall in line or assume the position and pray you don't become one of their victims. The whole racism in the LAPD and the jails they stalk is fact ask anyone that's been in or around them, or just stick your head back in the sand and all the evil will disappear.

Why dont they also report on the blinding panic-fear gripping the LAPD right now that has led them to shoot at an unarmed & innocent truck. Inside were 2 (as in, BOTH were shot) WOMEN, ab.50 &70 yrs.of age, HISPANIC, Mother AND DAUGHTER, both were shot in the back while driving in their truck.. 50 rounds, 50 ROUNDS! What exactly are the police's orders that they prefer to shoot 50 ROUNDS (and at 2 WOMEN) before they even check for a mistake? Metal-BKk. Wtf?

People hate to hear it. But race is a major factor. Chris is not a hero. But I think he stated he has to kill to get answers. He knows he is going to die. The man has no illusions.

SERPICO

WRONG WRONG WRONG KILLING RACIST AND GOOD COPS AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS IS NOT THE ANSWER Geraldo Rivera seem to be fixated on race! He claim that the entire black community called into his radio show in support of the black cop killer on the run TOTAL LIE!!!....First it’s a radio show and there is NO WAY Rivera could tell who was black calling in. Then he claims only blacks feel Trayvon Martin was murdered! Whites feel George Zimmerman was right to stalk and murder a UNARMED teen JUST WALKING HOME!!! Both incident Geraldo is dead WRONG!!! There were many white in Florida and on the Internet supporting Trayvon Martin!Most American believe George Zimmerman is a child molester and a child murderer! Then it’s Judge Jeanine added her two cents! JudgePirro and her husband have a history of controversies ranging from tax fraud to wiretapping probes! The Judge is calling the people supporting Christopher Jordan Dorner, pathetic! She Interviewed Mark Furman a ex-LAPD and a racist that claim he place evident on black people to get a arrest! Judge Jeanine DOES NOT see him as pathetic! Nor did she or Mark Furman see the child molester and child murderer George Zimmerman as pathetic!I will say it loud that Dorner is WRONG! I also must say that his claim that LAPD is racist disrespectful and full of gun happy abusive cop! Is lost because that a known fact! In America politician are more concern with killing a anti-American terrorist and claiming he or she is entitle do process! Something you never hear when a black “UNARMED” American citizen is gun down by a white American police officer in America! I worked for over 25 years in law enforcement as a Correction Officer and a Drug Counselor in a correctional facility! Racism discrimination and pure hatred and stereotyping is a part of law enforcement from it’s start! Any person working in law enforcement knows that FACT! If they say it not ! THEY ARE LYING! Having say that former ex- black cop Christopher Jordan Dorner, 33 is going about complaining the wrong way!! California authorities say the whereabouts of a fugitive former Los Angeles police officer suspected in three murders remains a mystery as thousands of officers continue to search for the suspect across three states and into Mexico. "He could be anywhere at this point," said San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon.Christopher Jordan Dorner, 33, is considered extremely dangerous and armed with multiple weapons, authorities say. He is accused of killing a college basketball coach and her fiance last weekend, then following through on a vow to kill police by opening fire Wednesday night on three officers, killing one. The search that had extended across California from the U.S.-Mexico border through Nevada, from suburban street to military bases, narrowed in on a cold, snowy mountain Thursday night 80 miles east of Los Angeles where Dorner's burned truck was found. In the cops search for Dorner they shot two totally innocent people just because they were driving the same car as Dorner! Dorner beef is that he was wrongly fire for being a whistleblower! His claim is that the LAPD is just as racist as ever! And that disrespect and racism is practice everyday by LAPD toward minorities!............WELL If he thinks that killing cops is the answer to change.....HE IS CRAZY AND IF THEY CATCH HIM..........................HE DEAD!!!!

Why do people so openly accept that there is corruption within the police force, is society really so submissive?

Dorner remains a suspect in any civilian deaths-- that's it. Often overlooked. I'm glad that they reopened the investigation into the circumstances of his discharge. I hope he learned of that, since in all reality he likely won't make it to a fair trial when he's found.

So this guy kills 4 people and he's a monster, crooked cops kill and harm 1000's but that's just the way it is??? Fuck that. They should start regulating and holding killer cops accountable for their actions.Not all cops are bad, some are heroes, but the LAPD is full of gang rejects, racists, and just plain stupid mindless apes who get a power trip hiding behind a badge. Why doesn't the media cover those crimes? Why doesn't the LAPD take that Million $ reward and start paying out families of victims that they murdered. Police lives are no more valuable than civilian lives.

Author Sir Ray Mann- Killing others is not the answer that's crossing the line, no if's, and's or butts...... www.sirraymann.com

fair enough but does that mean that we cant use this as a catalyst to start cleaning up some of the issues? Im not saying I believe everything Dorner has said but there are just too many pieces of information that are coming out that are proof that something shady happened here...and not just the Dorner killings

I have to disagree with one thing this guy say's and MOST people think 

I am Caucasian and for most of my life had Long hair and I have many  tattoos and always have had a good job.  Even after I cut my hair I was harassed by mostly The L.A. County Sheriff's and the only time I was cited I had actually raised 10 kinds of hell with the douche bags who pulled me over  4 patrol cars  and yeah they dug deep the ticket  was for not having Caps on my Valve stems (yeah it's on the books) which was thrown out and the officer in court was handed his ass from the Judge! I had, had enough by that point after they ripped my car apart for the 4th time searching for drugs that were not there the douche could find his fucking pen if it was in his hand! Still and all Dorner is wrong beyond all of our imaginations!

Feeble excuse---LAPD, Chicago PD, NYPD, New Orleans PD, corruption exists everywhere, if every person who has been fucked over in the workplace "lost it" there would be a lot more dead people in this world...

total bullshit.fucking piece of shit blames everyone except himself

Of course he would think differently if his son or daughter were killed by Dorner. As observers we can analyze this story and try to figure out the truth as more comes out because we are not as close to the people affected. This officer did not have a son or daughter killed by this guy so he is just speaking from the perspective of someone who has experienced the same mistreatment as Dorner by the LAPD. I think we all hope this comes to an end soon and all truths are revealed whether that be good or bad for Dorner.

Racist! We can see he's black! Why you have to add that?

not the best of us, ali. not a chance...

L.A. Couldve been worse right now with copycat starting a domino effect...

No one claims that what he did was right Troy, but he just understands how someone in that situation could lose it. I've seen families I know lose loved ones who had done nothing wrong at the hands of LAPD. Nothing ever happened to those cops except some paid time off. Things of that nature would make the best of us lose our minds.

If that was his son or daughter obliterated in Irvine I'm sure he would think differently....

lulz