Pyrotechnic Tear Gas: LAPD Did NOT Use It On Dorner, But Department Does Have It

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Conspiracy theorists have come out of the woodwork to argue that police in a firefight near Big Bear yesterday purposefully introduced incendiary tear gas into a cabin to burn suspect Christopher Dorner alive.

Many blame the LAPD for the apparent demise of the ex-cop in an Angelus Oaks cabin, but the department confirmed to the Weekly that its officers were not involved in the action: They were only on standby in the area to "offer support," we were told:


This was the San Bernardino County Sheriff's war. (And if you think that's an exaggeration, note that Sheriff-Coroner John McMahon called the area a "war zone").

Pyrotechnic tear gas is known to be flammable and has been criticized following its use in the FBI's deadly Branch Davidian siege in Waco, Texas in 1993.

And 11 people died in what is being called the MOVE standoff with police in Philadelphia in 1985 after tear gas canisters set a residence occupied by activists on fire.

But the LAPD tells us that the department still uses pyrotechnic tear gas as part of its arsenal.

It wasn't clear if the department has an escalating use-of-force policy like the one that seemed to be utilized by the San Bernardino cops yesterday: They used a less-flammable form of tear gas before resorting to the incendiary variety.

San Bernardino County Sheriff-Coroner denied that his deputies intended to burn the cabin, and Dorner, into eternity:

It was not on-purpose. We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out.

Law enforcement critics noted that police radio traffic might indicate that the fire was intentional. Cops were heard saying:

We're gonna go forward with the plan, with, er, with the burn. We want it, er, like we talked about. ... Seven burners [tear gas canisters] deployed and we have a fire.

And:

We're going to burn him out ... Burn this motherfucker!

In general, here's what the LAPD's own guidelines say about "use of chemical agents:"

To minimize injury to suspects, officers, and others or to avoid property damage, the use of a chemical agent, such as tear gas, may be necessary in circumstances where a serious danger to life and property exists and other methods of control or apprehension would be ineffective or more dangerous.

The field commander at a police situation has the responsibility for determining the need for the use of a chemical agent and the authority to direct its deployment. In no event, however, can authorization for the use of a chemical agent be given by an officer below the rank of Sergeant or Detective. The use of a chemical agent for crowd or riot control must be authorized by an officer of the rank of Commander or higher.

[@dennisjromero / djromero@laweekly.com / @LAWeeklyNews]


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Roses_Thorns
Roses_Thorns

-Conspiracy today, factual reality tomorrow. -Appears as if these conspiracy people are receiving higher rating of notoriety than in the past. -I do not like conspiracy talk-show hosts such as "Alex Jones and crew". -The alternative news is more on the money with each passing month, more correct than ever before. -Law enforcement field reports precisely and exactly by similarity as with all popular main stream news media networks on the Internet as well on the Television stations. -The fact is police reports and news media's place their own spin which is their perspective of the facts. Often details may be left out and at time out-right lies slip in into public domain as fact; This is reality. -The truth behind C. Dorner may someday be told as with all supposed "single shooter *events*" that orbit this current "gun control and grab" laws coming into effect soon enough and far too late. -I will always support in full whatever spin the news-media's and law-enforcement place into public domain until proven otherwise as fact changed. -The only thing I can type here is that all of you in the United States of America have not seen anything as of current representing change that will come to pass. -What you experience now metaphorically pre-kindergarten by perspective and these changes that are coming along I support 101% in full. -You will not like the new constitution that may come into law. -I support these changes forwarding far more civil obedience of change into the global arena that equal out the scale of a governance.

C. Dorner is a ghost, like all the rest.

kargforcongress
kargforcongress

Still burned the guy---has Hillary Clinton would say---it doesn't matter now!

mikeders523
mikeders523

The term pyrotechnic speaks for itself, as does the actual police communications at the scene.

mikeders523
mikeders523

The term pyrotechnic speaks for itself, as does the actual police communications at the scene.

mikeders523
mikeders523

The term pyrotechnic speaks for itself, as does the actual police communications at the scene.

outahea
outahea

I'm no genius but I've been in the military for more than 20 years and I've never heard of pyrotechnic tear gas grenades. Sounds like BS. I know what CS and CN grenades are and I know what Incendiary grenades are. I think this is BS speak for trying to claim they used tear gas that has the ability to also start fires to cover up the fact they burned him intentionally. I heard them on the scanner say to bring in the burners. You wouldn't say that for tear gas. That's what you'd say for an incendiary device. The cover up continues and the media is complacent as usual.

Paula Quevedo
Paula Quevedo

I do not believe until they get dna he could had killed someone fat and put him the the house and run away

David Hur
David Hur

The media is the right hand of the ruling class, and the police system is apparently the left hand.

Isaac Murguia
Isaac Murguia

Why not just write and email the news agencies until they finally investigate the audio recordings!! It's not that hard LA WEEKLY!!

Shawn Nee
Shawn Nee

Why start the article with "Conspiracy theorists"? There's significant evidence pointing to the fact that the fire was intentional. And if the police didn't boycott the world from witnessing their actions, articles like this wouldn't have to be written. We would see the truth for ourselves. How about asking the SB sheriffs, "Despite your claims, what about the audio evidence that seems to dispute what you're saying and shows that the fire was set deliberately?" Is any news agency in this city capable of asking the hard questions? Or do all of them just accept what the police say in order to keep a friendly relationship? It's insane that no new agency in LA is talking about the fact that the police censored their coverage of the event. The people have a right to know what happened, and the media has an obligation to report objectively instead of kowtowing to police orders that have no legal merit. Sorry, but officer safety doesn't trump the First Amendment, especially when it's just being used as a tactic to prevent people and news agencies from documenting their actions in public space. Where's the oversight? because it's quite obvious police are incapable of investigating, or holding themselves accountable to the law. More and more, it seems like LA news agencies are just a PR firm for the police.

kargforcongress
kargforcongress

@Shawn Nee Everyone must have a paycheck----unlike me who has lived on nothing since 1988----1998 Cox Report---came out after the 1988 Slide-matic Case---and after the 1978 Puch International Case----the depth of criminal involvement is Beyond the Imagination---and our "Journalists and their Publications."

Alyson Dutch
Alyson Dutch

It's Vday - let's forget about this freak.

James Perez
James Perez

fireworks???lmao ....ain't no body got time for that

Robert Quevedo
Robert Quevedo

Like I said before teachers require a college degree. Fireman require paramedic school. Cops require a GED. Then we wonder why they do half of what they do.

Robert Quevedo
Robert Quevedo

I feel bad for him that he had to go to these measures. I am sad so many lives were lost because of the LAPD. Black, white and all others on the force that turn your heads to the BS shame on you.

Nabil Nathie
Nabil Nathie

They dont have to explain anything. Theyre cops. Laws dont apply to them.

flyingmonkeyair
flyingmonkeyair

Are you planning to correct your headline, "Pyrotechnic Tear Gas: LAPD Did NOT Use It On Dorner, But Department Does Have It"? See "Sheriff’s Acknowledge Using Fire-Starting Pyrotechnic Tear Gas Against Dorner" at   http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/13/san-bernardino-sheriffs-acknowledge-using-fire-starting-pyrotechnic-tear-gas-against-dorner/ The  assertion that the Sheriff's office confirmed pyrotechnic teargas canisters were launched into the cabin yet 'we didn't intend to burn it down' is plainly ridiculous. 

Anji McGuire
Anji McGuire

The officer in the audio I heard clearly repeats his order to "burn the Motherf'er down." How does the Dept. explain that?

Jae Tee
Jae Tee

perhaps they didn't. there where many agencies there maybe the sb sheriffs did. talk over walkie talkie still states a different story.

Paul Sanchez
Paul Sanchez

My sympathies lie with his victims and their loved ones they won't see this Valentine's Day. I support the police in ending his killing spree.

outahea
outahea

@Paul Sanchez in other words you support the police when they intentionally murder a suspect. What happened to the rule of law? Are we a nation of laws or did we just decide to toss out the constitution and not allow suspects their day in court?

Rego Merl
Rego Merl

Ok but what about that audio where theyre instructed to burn it down? Not defending dorner, but where is the integrity of catching him, giving him a fair trial like the rest of the murderers in this country? If I were to kill someone out of revenge for them killing a loved one, I would surely get time.

Amir Davari
Amir Davari

the only thing lapd offers is bullshit

Keith Gubitz
Keith Gubitz

It was the local COPS that fired the "BURNER" not the LAPD, but they did burn him alive purposely.

Melvin Perez
Melvin Perez

Fuck this guy, who gives a shit.

outahea
outahea

@Melvin Perez because we have something called the constitution and a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. We also don't want law enforcement intentionally murdering suspects. You're an idiot. It's not about Dorner it's about the bigger picture.

Peter Church
Peter Church

It turned out exactly as I knew it would. The police do what they want when they want.

Rand Gamble
Rand Gamble

Liars, I heard as many did on live coverage "lets get the burners and burn that mother f....ker "

bryancwatkins
bryancwatkins

Aren't these are the kind of lies and coverups Dorner was accusing them of? The LAPD just keeps making itself look worse.

TJ McNeely
TJ McNeely

Pure comedy. Their intentions were to kill him by any means possible from day one.

Michie Sorbeta Imery
Michie Sorbeta Imery

LMAO! we were talking about this in class with the teacher. She said, and I quote 'We didnt mean to burn the cabin, we just shot PYROTHECNIC gas at it' - HUH? hahahahaha, got to love the police and their oxymorons xD

Nabil Nathie
Nabil Nathie

You'd think cops would be better liars considering they listen to criminals lie to them all day. Take notes from your fellow criminals LAPD

freethought420
freethought420 like.author.displayName 1 Like

It was crazy watching one black guy burn while another black guy gave the state of the union.  

ThisPaperSucks
ThisPaperSucks

It was poetic and literal justice: Dorner's flaming welcome into the gates of hell, where he belongs. One of the worlds biggest cowards got dealt with. He was no hero, he was a disgrace to our species. All of you unreasonable, bleeding heart liberals need to recka'nize. It was the safest way to nuetralize a systematic deadly threat and  Law Enforcement officials shoud stand behind it, not apologize for it....

outahea
outahea

@ThisPaperSucks you're a moron and that's obvious from the first sentence about "bleeding heart liberals". Get an original thought you twit. Amazing how many tards like you get all whiny and upset when you think someone is infringing on what you believe is your constitutional right to own an Uzi, but you have no problem dismissing someone's right to due process and their day in court.

-paulc-
-paulc- topcommenter

wasn't the news conference cut short when someone asked if they tried to see if it was really him at the door? 

danR
danR

Accidental repost. Can't delete.


danR
danR

Of course, there was no liaison with LAPD.

The police cremated Dorner. Because they didn't know pyrotechnic tear gas canisters could start a fire in a wooden structure.

 Now they owe nobody nothing. How accidental.

danR
danR

accidental repost. Can't delete.

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