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By Christine Pelisek, Monday, Jun. 16 2008 @ 5:37PM
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In the summer of 1969, Susan Atkins stabbed to death a pregnant Sharon Tate a gruesome 16 times at Tate’s Benedict Canyon mansion. Later, Atkins told fellow inmate and Beverly Hills matchmaker Virginia Graham that the 26-year-old actress begged for her life and the life of her unborn child.

“She told me this thing with great glee,” said Graham who shared a dorm room with Atkins at the Sybil Brand Institute for Women in the fall of 1969. After killing Tate, prosecutors said Atkins tasted the actress' blood and used it to scrawl “PIG” on her front door. On that dreadful night, the Manson Family also killed Abigail Ann Folger, Voytek Frykowski, Steven R. Parent, and Jay Sebring.

The following day, on August 10, members of the Manson family – excluding Atkins – bludgeoned to death Leno LaBianca and his wife Rosemary at their home in the Los Feliz hills. Atkins, then 22, was convicted of killing Tate and music teacher Gary Hinman. Charles Manson, Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten were soon charged with the other grisly murders.

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Susan Atkins in 2001

Manson had preached of an apocalyptic race war he said was predicted in the Beatles song “Helter Skelter.” His followers including Atkins believed they would eventually control the United States — if they performed heinous crimes for Manson.

Almost 40 years later, Atkins, now 59, is asking for “compassionate release.” Atkins, who is dying from brain cancer, is serving a life sentence with the possibility of parole, making her eligible for release.

Graham, who later became a key witness in the prosecution's case against Atkins, told the LA Weekly in a recent interview that she remembered Atkins as a “young silly ass teenager” who felt no remorse for the brutal attack on Tate.

Asked if Atkins should be released? “Absolutely not,” said Graham. “Why should she?...She murdered in cold blood a woman who was going to have a baby. I will never forget the joy and glee when she was telling me how it was done.”

In the fall of 1969, after being arrested for the murder of music teacher Gary Hinman, Atkins was moved to Sybil Brand Institute for Women. On the same day, Graham, in her late 30's, was moved into the same dorm. Graham was in jail for writing a bad check, and violating her parole.

“When I first saw [Atkins] she was doing cartwheels up and down the aisle,” said Graham, now 75. “She was in a total state of happiness. Truthfully I thought she was in for a drug bust.”

The two women were given jobs as “runners,” carrying messages back and forth to the prison guards. When there wasn't a lot of work, the girls would sit around and talk.

“I asked her what she was in for,” said Graham. “I thought she would say possession of marijuana. She said murder. The next day or day after that is when she plopped herself down on the cot and started talking about murders up in Benedict Canyon. She said, ‘Well you know who did it don't you?' I said no. She said, 'you are looking at her.' I didn't believe her. [But] I was nosy enough to question her.”

Atkins obliged. “She was somewhat proud,” added Graham. “She believed by killing these people that she was sending them to another world and that you really had to love them to kill them.”

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Atkins in 2005

After the sensational murder trial, Graham moved to Hawaii to change her life around. She said she opened up a health spa and became an art broker. Atkins became a model prisoner, married a lawyer, and became a born again Christian at the California Institution for Women where she lived for 37 years until she was hospitalized on March 18.

“A doctor determined [Atkins] needs to be in the hospital,” said California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokesperson Terry Thornton. “At this point, she is too sick to go back to prison.”

The California Institute for Women approved her request for “compassionate release” last month. However, her bid for release must still be approved by the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, the state Board of Parole, and then by a Los Angeles County Superior Court judge.

It is a long shot. Only 10 inmates out of 60 were granted “compassionate release” by a judge in 2007. If she is granted compassionate release, Atkins healthcare expenses are no longer the responsibility of the state.

As it stands now, the former waitress and topless dancer will probably not be alive by the time her request even reaches a Los Angeles County Superior Court judge. She will most likely die in a hospital room at taxpayers expense far away from the prison cell where she was housed for so many years.

“I know she was young,” said Graham about Atkins. “But this born again stuff. They all find Jesus when they go to jail. I am not a cold lady...but this was so terrible. Why in the world should she be given any compassion? What goes around in life comes around. I wonder what Sharon Tate must have gone through. I have no empathy for this one at all. Hasta la vista baby.”

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scott says:

Im sure that sharon, jay, steve, voiteck and abigail as well as leno and rosemary would have liked to see their loved ones before they died, so why should she have the chance to. I say NO. let her die in an undignified way.

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 23 2008 @ 7:52PM
Lauren says:

I agree! What compassion did she show those she brutally murdered?? Dying in a hospital bed is more compassionate then being bludgeoned to death!

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 23 2008 @ 11:09PM
Retrovirus says:

Then again, why should taxpayers have to foot the bill for her hospital expenses, which are sure to be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars? It's not like she's a danger to anyone. Who knows, she may not even be aware of the drama being played out in the media over her release. Let her husband and her estate assume responsibility for her hospital bills. Just another perspective...

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 24 2008 @ 12:55PM
rigso says:

the facts are mixed up, it is now widely believed that Tex Watson and Pat Krenwinkel killed the victims, and Atkins only held Tate down, i say free her, it was so long ago, then again, if it had been a family member of mine idk if I would be so forgiving...

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 24 2008 @ 1:01PM
Still seeking to understand says:

I think at this point we might be past the issues of life sentence or death.

Isn't it most important at this point that Ms. Atkins receive good end of life care? Is the current prison not able to provide this? Have they in some way obstructed her family (genetic & state recognized) from attending?

If not, than pls. explain need for "compassionate relief". Doesn't "compassionate relief" allow more visitors?

I wouldn't profess to know, it just seems she has known prison life for almost 40 years; what care is she not receiving, or visitors that are not allowed? How would release be helpful?

It will be most important at this point for Ms. Atkins to be allowed to make her peace with God.

Without Mr. Manson being designated her final confessor, than I suppose she should be allowed to speak her final words to whom she feels most comfortable.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 24 2008 @ 4:50PM
Jane says:

A life sentence is a life sentence regardless of how that life ends. She doesn't deserve ANY compassion.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 24 2008 @ 6:13PM
Ross Man says:

Compassionate release plea is a request used for terminal life sentencers to be paroled. I think this kind of plea is one more example of how slanted justice is toward criminals. Where are the victim's rights? Murder victims don't have freedom. The victim's families have to live with all the aftermath their entire lives, too. Serial killer, Susan Atkins along with the other Manson disciples were all sentenced to die and must stay incarcerated because of the heinous nature of their crimes. Otherwise, if they were ever to be paroled it would set a very dangerous precedent. If these notorious, sociopath killers ever get released then who next. Physically not a threat, but the message sent to society is the REAL Threat. Besides, Atkins gets health care that a growing number of decent, law abiding Americans can't afford to get. Sharon Tate's and Steven Parent's mothers both died of brain cancer and were never given release from their hell.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 24 2008 @ 6:51PM
Barbara Swann says:

I have followed this since I was in high school,I am now 44years old. My thoughts are this, where was her compasion all those years ago? Why should we show her or any of the others any kind of compasion now. I understand that she was young and under Manson's spell but my God they took innocent human lives, even one who didn't get the chance to breath on his own. I know that God says to forgive, but could you forgive if it had been a family member of yours??? I'm not sure if I could!!
Barbara Swann

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 24 2008 @ 7:07PM
JANEB says:

Ross Man said the truth: "Atkins gets health care that a growing number of decent, law abiding Americans can't afford to get." THANK YOU!!! THAT IS TRUE - AND WHY SHOULD THAT MURDERER BE ALLOWED ONE OUNCE OF COMPASSION AFTER HER INVOLVEMENT IN THOSE HEINOUS CRIMES. MS TATE DID NOT DESERVE THAT FATE, NOR ANY OF THE OTHERS - I HOPE SHE ROTS IN HELL FOR TAKING THEIR LIVES.

I SAW SHARON TATE'S GRAVE ONCE AND I PUT A ROSE ON IT, AND SAID PRAYERS; I WAS A KID WHEN IT THE CRIME HAPPENED BUT I WILL NEVER FORGET IT.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 24 2008 @ 8:13PM
e j coe says:

where is V. Graham? I'd like to ask her some questions that alot of people have wanted to ask for a long time. It seems to be about that time.

Posted On: Wednesday, Jun. 25 2008 @ 4:32AM
Gina says:

In the infamous words of Ms. Atkins "Bitch I have no mercy for you. You are going to die so you better get ready"

That somehow seems appropriate to me!

Posted On: Wednesday, Jun. 25 2008 @ 7:50AM
Christine D Berry says:

Well she may be a born again Christian but the fact remains she has murdered. I remember this high profile case I was 16 and scared to death just knowing that there was someone like Manson out there getting young people to do his dirty work. As far as I am concerned they should have put them all to death 39 yrs ago. Walking garbage is how I feel about the Manson family. I hope Susan has found God because she is going to need him in her last hour.

Posted On: Wednesday, Jun. 25 2008 @ 11:34PM
Robert says:

Gina, My sentiments exactly! She deserves as good as she gave Sharon Tate.

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 27 2008 @ 5:41AM
Country Sue says:

I`ll skip that this story falsely states that Susan Atkins stabbed Sharon Tate...I am amazed at the people who assume someone is exactly the same person they were 40 years ago..Susan was a wild teenager who did some horrible things in a cult. OK maybe she should serve out her "life" sentence and die in prison but try and be objective and stop talking about her as if the murders happened last week!

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 27 2008 @ 4:15PM
Merry Lynn says:

Jesus alone is the true judge and advocate. He asked us to forgive others so that He can forgive us of our sins. Is Susan Atkins worthy of forgiveness? Are we worthy of forgiveness?
I forgive Susan Atkins. He or she who is without sin may cast the first stone.

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 27 2008 @ 5:26PM
ghrtt3 says:

In her testimony in the original trials and to the grand jury Atkins said she did inflict several of the stab wounds herself and enjoyed it very much.Her story has changed from one parole hearing to the next over the years. Not that it really matters, because her participation makes her guilty of multiple murders.Does not matter when the murders happened, just ask the living relatives of the victims! It is just "last week" every day for them.

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 27 2008 @ 9:06PM
Susanne says:

She was originally condemned to death which was what should have happened. The nerve of this "thing" asking for compassion. And a born again Christian. PUH--LEEZE.
I don't believe in God but I'm sure if I did I would assume she can die in prison and be with her "god" for eternity. Maybe then she can meet Sharon Tate's unborn baby or Steven Parent and explain....

Posted On: Saturday, Jun. 28 2008 @ 7:05AM
gio says:

To the comment that Atkins "only" held victims down while Tex did the actual stabbing.

"ONLY held them down"?????????????

How utterly sickening. She killed them with as much or more culpability as Linda Kasabian, who waited in the car, testified for the prosecution, and got off scott free.

Did Kasabian go for help? Did anyone protest the horrific crime spree once Tex blew away poor teenaged Steven Parent, who came up to Cielo only to sell a radio, had the tragic fate of not getting his car down the driveway by a few minutes?

"ONLY held them down???????????" Unbelievable.

How would you feel if somebody was stabbing you and another was "ONLY HOLDING YOU DOWN???????"

Atkins should rot in prison, then rot in hell.


Posted On: Sunday, Jun. 29 2008 @ 8:45AM
jjv says:

cool brain cancer nice and painful how fitting for the little witch goin out in style one of the worst cancers to have then eternity in hell wow enjoy it sadie

Posted On: Sunday, Jun. 29 2008 @ 11:54AM
thomas says:

I find it disheartening to say the least that the comments on this post are almost unanimous in their opposition to granting Atkins' request. I would not for a moment minimize the horror of her crimes or for that matter the fact indeed she showed not one drop of mercy for her victims or Tate's poor unborn child. However, I would like to think that both I and the rest of us show more compassion than a deeply disturbed murderer. That Atkins showed no compassion does not mean we should not. She is no longer a threat to anyone. Let us show that we are more compassionate than she and let her breath her last words of regret that she was ever born in the company of her family, let us give her the last reprieve she never gave her victims. The purpose of prison is to ensure a safe society, not to exact vengeance, and there is no vengeance for such awful crimes anyway, expect perhaps to live with the knowledge of having committed them.

Posted On: Sunday, Jun. 29 2008 @ 1:24PM
spg says:

I don't believe that Susan Atkins' prison record could be as commendable as it has been, if she hasn't truly changed. While she and the other principle members of the Manson Family may have completely changed for the better, I don't believe they should be granted parole. However, Susan Atkins is dying, and if we can't give her compassion at the time of her death (regardless of her transgressions), we should at least realize that when she does pass away she will have served her sentence according to society's laws. What better way for her to comprehend mercy than by showing her and especially her family some mercy during this difficult time. Take a moment to think how you would feel if someone you loved died of a terminal illness in a prison hospital, and then reconsider your thoughts on compassion. Saving taxpayers’ money is also an important consideration. Lastly, I was wondering if “Country Sue” that made the comment above is indeed the former Manson Family member Country Sue.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 1 2008 @ 4:14PM
Randy Lyken says:

Susan Atkins or Sadie Mae Glutz never thanked the
California Supreme Court for sparing her life! The more I hear about the likes of criminals like her, the more I support the death penalty! Virginia Graham is right, they all find Jesus when they go to jail!

Posted On: Wednesday, Jul. 2 2008 @ 4:15AM
Ray-Z says:

She showed no mercy then let's not show mercy for her. This country takes enough of my taxes for stuff I don't want I'm perfectly ok with my tax $'s for her last hospital stay.

Posted On: Wednesday, Jul. 2 2008 @ 6:49AM
Gina says:

Thomas, first let me ask you if Sharon Tate was your daughter or if Paul Tate was your first grandchild would you still be so forgiving? As for her being a good christian and finding god and all that; I don't for one moment believe that. All prisoners wanting out claim they too found god. They think that is what the parole board wants to hear. It is so self serving and transparent to me.

Posted On: Wednesday, Jul. 2 2008 @ 12:05PM
Judy says:

On one hand, let the bitch be released and let her family pay lots of money for her medical care. She's been getting free medical care since she's been in jail. Most americans don't have "free" or even any medical care and they are just living day to day. On the other hand, why should she get a compassionate release? Was she compassionate towards her victims?? No!! Family and relatives suffered for many years because of what this little bitch did when she was young...she choose that way of life... Put yourself in the families shoes - what if one of your family members were so brutally murdered, and one of the murderers was dying, would you want that murderer to be released with a compassionate release??? I think the medical community should NOT provide any medication at all and let the prisoner die in horrondeous pain...

Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 3 2008 @ 9:58AM
Larry Feigh says:

I find it ironic that Susan Atkins is asking for mercy; did she offer Sharon Tate, her unborn child or any of the other victims any mercy? I feel that she should die in prison, as her sentence now states.

Posted On: Saturday, Jul. 5 2008 @ 8:10PM
Keith says:

Get on ho ho ho home Sadie.....time to pay thr piper!

Posted On: Sunday, Jul. 6 2008 @ 5:09AM
Greg Shields says:

Release the girl...fact is...it is her and victims of mind-control guru's like Manson, David Koresh, Jim Jones etc....that are the TRUE victims. Sure other people suffered...ie..Sharon Tate and all the others...but the true monster has ALWAYS been Charles Manson. Susan wasn't a danger within weeks of being seperated from the drug induced psychosis induced by Manson. The poor girl..and the others should have been released two decades ago.

Posted On: Sunday, Jul. 6 2008 @ 8:20PM
Eran Gafni says:

Susan Atkings deserved the death penalty in 1971, because she took part in horrible murders and other crimes. In fact, since 1965 until her arrest in Oct. 1969, there wasn't a sin she hadn't committed.
But, on Feb. 1972 the State of California gave Susan another chance. Susan took it and reformed. Susan atkins as from 1972 on is the opposite of Sadie Mae Glutz of the Manson Family.
In Judaism, repentant and remorse are a fundemantal basics. Susan did both, and dedicated her life since to help others and prevent them from following her footsteps.
Susan was a victim of Charles Manson. She wouldn't have killed anyone if she hadn't met him and - missing her dead mother and functioning father - entrapped in his web of crime, drugs and psychological manipulation. IF she was that monstrous girl, she could have overcome her wardens and flee out of jail. She knew how to fight, she knew how to unlocked doors and how to sneak in and out buildings. Instead, she became a model prisoner and this is because she managed to get free of Manson's influence.
So yes, jail time DID help her reformed and to return to be the Susan Atkins she was before 1965 - a law-abiding, kind, graceful and gentle woman.
I say yes - show her mercy, because she deserves it. Let her free, let her show she is reformed. I'm sure of it.

Posted On: Monday, Jul. 7 2008 @ 5:21AM
t. wilson says:

I think most all my thoughts were expressed by erin gafni so not much need to repeat all of that. I do feel that sharon has been reformed over the past 40 years and should be released to die with her family and friends..history is history so lets let it be just that.

Posted On: Wednesday, Jul. 9 2008 @ 7:02AM
Debbie says:

It does not even come into the equation that Susan Atkins is now a Christian. The fact remains that she commited a terrible crime, was judged & found guilty & was sentenced to death. When the Supreme Court put a stop to the death penalty stating it was cruel & unusual, then Susan was given life with possibility of parole. Each time Susan has gone before the parole board she has been denied. The fact she now has terminal brain cancer & will not survive another 3 months has no effect on her sentence or the parole board.

Susan Atkins found Jesus Christ in prison. He has forgiven her of her sins, if she is sincere. Only He knows if it is a true conversion or an act. If it is indeed real then she will go to be with Him after death. But I do not think she should be allowed one day of freedom untill she dies or be shown any extraordinary compassion. She committed the crime, so she must do the time, period! In the past 40 years Susan has been able to marry, continue her education, work, make new friendships, have visitors....All while her victim(s) lay 6 ft under & their families grieve. The Lord will have great compassion for Susan after she is with Him, if she is the real deal. While on this earth, she should be shown little to none. I really mean this!

When you committ a crime, then find the Lord, & ask Him into your heart & He forgives you of your sins....wonderful, Amen! Spread the Gospel with other cellmates but that doesn't effect the crime you committed in your sinfull past! You still must pay for your crime. The Lord can wash your sinful self whiter than snow. But you still must do your time for your crime. No compassionate early release for people doing hard time. Their victims families get no relief from the grieving they are being put thru!

No compassionate release, no release for cellmates who find Jesus, do the crime....do every day for the crime!

Posted On: Wednesday, Jul. 9 2008 @ 5:40PM
Rob Crenshaw says:

I have no doubt that Susan Atkins is not the same person she was in 1969. It seems to me, from the interviews I've seen, that she is probably remorseful and truly sorry for the pain she has caused. And that is why it is of utmost importance that she never be let out of prison, because only after this understanding does punishment begin. It's only now, after all these years, that she is really suffering, cognizant of the magnitude of her crime, and knowing she will never be free because of it. This is true punishment: *after* you've realized your crime, *after* you wish you could do it over again, *after* you've spent years and years being sorry, *after* you don't even know the person who did these things anymore because you've changed so much you might as well be a different person, you're still in jail with no chance of parole, and that is when you truly *start* to pay for what you've done, when it really hurts you. I think it's worse than death.

Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 10 2008 @ 4:40AM
Gina says:

This woman is convicted of 9 murders counting baby Polanski. She has been in prison for 39 years. Do the math that is only 4.3333 for each victim. When did we start letting mass murders out at all. Rot in hell Sadie.

Posted On: Friday, Jul. 11 2008 @ 12:11PM
Tracie says:

Whether Susan Atkins killed Sharon Tate is up for debate, she did stab Voyteck Frykowski a number of times in the leg. And holding Sharon down, constitutes murder anyway, she went in that house with premeditation from the beginning. I say NO.

Posted On: Sunday, Jul. 13 2008 @ 8:24AM
Kathy says:

No, she should NOT be released. It would be an injustice to the victims, who suffered at the hands of this woman.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 15 2008 @ 5:55AM
Lisa says:

Here, here Rob Crenshaw. Well said. Twenty years after the crimes I had thought that Leslie had been reformed & maybe,- maybe- would not pose a threat to society if ever released. (Though that's not really the point, prison is not storage until the person is deemed fit to be free again) But with the internet & the ability to view all the color crime scene photos & autopsy photos, I absolutely believe that none - NONE- of the killers should EVER be released. The fact that Steve Grogan (Clem) got out is very wrong in my opinion. He was a bad guy. His quote when asked about two female teenage hitchhikers' whereabouts was "they got homesick". They were never accounted for. That was the gist of his response to another person's disappearance, Shorty Shea. A person who was later found to be murdered. He was connected to the crime & was able to lead the authorities to the remains years later to gain his release. How awful!!! How many other people have these monsters killed. If they were the big Christians they profess to be & not just out for themselves as I am sure is the case, they would fess up & let the families of missing "Family" associates have closure. It's about serving a sentence for a crime committed. As for the new version of Susan's participation in the Tate murders. I do not buy it. They all had to get their hands dirty, per Charlie. As Leslie was directed to do at the La Bianca's murder. Susan was upset that she could not go along on the second night of murder. Let's not forget that. It's all a very sad story. It is sad that someone so young destroyed so many lives. Including her own. She was never insane & knew perfectly well what she was doing. It is what it is. She has been treated compassionately in prison. The horrors she perpetrated on others will never happen to her. Let her stay in prison. Actually she's in the hospital now. So in essence she's not in prison. She should be aware that she is incarcerated on her last breath. To remember what she did. With her time on earth this is what she chose to do with her life.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 15 2008 @ 2:30PM
k. hernandez says:

I think this is very sad. I truly do.

What Susan did was heinous to be sure...

But there is forgiveness through pain and anger....through heartache in the lives of others. I believe this woman contributed to society in a way that we will never understand or know...but I bet the prison officials do....who speak kindly of her time and effort to help other incoming inmates who were screwing up their lives too....most times, it doesn't take a murder or being a murderer to turn your life around..but God forgives ALL sins, not just one or another and he loves those who come to him and who can help others escape the hell that Susan created for those who were murdered and their families...we place so much emphasis on murder as the ultimate sin, when adultery, divorce, narcissism, spousal and child abuse are just as prevalent, if not more, yet more socially acceptable....

What the hell has this country become if we cannot forgive? It seems to me that whether or not we go to hell is based upon the severity of the crime, which is ridiculous. Many more live in hell daily from the above things I've outlined.

It's easier to focus on someone who has committed a crime forty yeras ago, then the hell that is now in the present.

K.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 15 2008 @ 11:02PM
Celeste says:

Is it just me ... or is anyone else disgusted that this woman was ever allowed to HAVE a family to want to die with? She was sentenced to death, that was changed to life in prison ... where she was supposed to be being punished. Then some crazy person decided he wanted to marry her (beyond me) and in our nutso prison system, that is allowed! There is something SO wrong with anyone who meets and wants to marry someone in prison for life (or on death row, etc.)! Just because they are nuts, doesn't mean we should allow it! Even someone who is in for a shorter sentence should have to wait until they are released to get married!

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 15 2008 @ 11:10PM
Tobu says:

Thomas, you've said it well.

In practical terms, what bad could possibly come of releasing Atkins at this point? The woman is so terminally ill that she can barely speak or sit up. No more innocent lives are ever going to die at those hands, behind bars or out.

And what practical good could come of releasing her? Hundreds of thousands of dollars that would otherwise be spent by the state on her medical care will become her family's responsibility instead. Think of it as Atkins' last drop of penance to society, giving up that money to pay for new roads or schools or the health care of others.

Those are the practical terms. Ideologically, it's no longer about how much compassion Atkins showed or how Christian she can be. At this point, with her disease rendering her utterly unable to commit crime again, it has become a question of how much compassion we as a nation can show, and how capable we are of living as Christ directed.

How easy is it to turn the other cheek for a slap that we know full well will never come? As easy as learning to let go of hate and let healing into our own hearts, and the hearts of Atkins' family, who surely never expected to lose a family member this way.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 15 2008 @ 11:19PM
Angelor says:

I forgive Atkins but that doesnt mean that she should be released from the consequences of her actions. Let her die in prison.

Posted On: Wednesday, Jul. 16 2008 @ 6:49AM
Deborah says:

The Atkins' family never expecting to lose a family member in this way....WOW! Did the families of the 9 people who were slaughtered expect to lose family members in the way that they did? Shame on you. I was a senior in high school that summer of '69 in Southern California. And though I was not a part of the "hippie movement" it was all "supposed" to be about peace and love and all the little flower children. That all changed that August night in Benedict Canyon.
I remembered how I cried for the victims, especially Sharon and the unborn son who never had a chance to live. I agree with Virginia Graham in the sense that everyone does seem to find religon and God in prison (have always said "Poor God") always to late to be of any use to their victims. Where were all these devotees "BEFORE" their epiphany in prison.
As it has been said in previous posts, Susan has received a free education, been allowed to marry (not once but twice) have conjugal vistation, been sheltered, three meals a day, again, WOW, I personally think she has been shown enough compassion in the last 40 years.
Susan may have been young and "wild" as one of the other posts has commented....well, we all were at one time, and when I was it sure as hell didn't include trips on LSD and then using that as an excuse to murder 9 victims.
I am sorry that the members of the Manson Family (and I use the term loosely), were so willing to be led, and wanting someone, anyone else to do their thinking for them. I think the term I am looking for is "sheep". I am also sure that after nearly 40 years that is one decision they wish they could take back as a "do over."
The families of the victims haven't had a respite from the pain in the last 40 years, and to them I am sure it does feel like yesterday everyday.
So, a cruel as this is going to sound, an amputated leg, the other one paralyzed, can hardly speak, and can't sit up. Sounds like a fitting end to me. Remember Susan, God is not always a forgiving God. Deborah

Posted On: Wednesday, Jul. 16 2008 @ 7:23AM
Bill says:

May everyone, whether dead or dying, find peace and heaven above, who's involved in this sadness. There has been enough misery here on Earth.

Posted On: Friday, Jul. 18 2008 @ 7:29PM
danielle brown says:

I think she should rot in prison. I have no mercy for or the others who killed and enjoyed doing it..

Posted On: Friday, Jul. 25 2008 @ 7:14PM
Patrick Bernardino says:

It is more honorable that Susan Atkins and the rest of the Charles Manson 'Family' should spend the rest of their lives in prison WITHOUT any chance of parole. Let them suffer like what they did to their victims. Burn in Hell Atkins!

Posted On: Monday, Jul. 28 2008 @ 11:02PM
Anonymous says:

Sic Semper Tyrannis, Susan Denise Atkins!

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 29 2008 @ 12:10AM
Michael Wilson says:

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that Susan Atkins never would have harmed anyone if it were not for Manson. I disagree, whoever you are. Please check your facts. Vincent Bugliosi (?), in the book Helter Skelter, explained how he proved that ALL the killers in the Tate/LaBianca murders had violent tendencies BEFORE they hooked up with Nutcase Charlie. (Susan Atkins wasn't fast enough on the draw with a local cop and told him (in so many words) that had she been a bit quicker, she would have dropped him.) Bugliosi proved that they had the potential to kill but that Manson helped them manifest that.
Someone also mentioned that prisons are not for revenge. Instead, they are intended to rehabilitate. I agree. Personally, I think she deserves some compassion. She was young and impressionable at the time she committed these atrocities. Manson was extremely charismatic. Honestly, are any of us the same person we were 40 years ago? For that matter, 10 years ago? I have to say no. I'm not saying to excuse her actions. I think they should show her what she didn't show Ms. Tate or any of the others. But to be honest, if I were the relative of one of the unfortunate victims, I would definitely be singing another song. Thats human nature, folks.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 29 2008 @ 5:16AM
dena says:

We seem to forget she left her blood family many years ago , her real family was Manson and his drug crew. no one is the same person they were back than finding God in prison is nothing new that is a personal faith between what you come to believe in she believe mason was Christ and truly believe that the crimes they committed was showing real love to there victims and was not sorry for her actions because they were not wrong in her head she knew right from wrong and today is in a hospital not in prison setting so in a way she out just not free to leave.

Posted On: Monday, Aug. 18 2008 @ 7:29PM
Insights says:

....... At this late date the finances cannot possibly be an issue, the Manson clan has cost our society millions of dollars just for their prosecution, money(cost) is a terminal reason if any, for release of Ms. Atkins and while addressing medical costs of Ms. Atkins, all scenarios lead to the state of California paying the bills anyway......
And then there is the human cost which on every level is incalculable .

If society demands the integrity of punishment for crimes to remain intact then release for Atkins is a non-issue.

Finding religion in prison seems to be "typical" and is a personal choice , not a device for parole.

Ms. Atkins behavior as a model prisoner are almost a requirement encouraged in prison and can scarcely be a justification for a parole.


If a choice is warranted, then her remaining in custody is the best of all worlds while accommodating several perspectives.

Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 25 2008 @ 6:59PM
cameron says:

release this woman and leslie and pat. Enough is enough. It was life with parole and to keep refusing parole is akin to being a political prisoner. they were young and dumb and were completely spaced out and under the influence of Manson and mind expanding drugs. yes it was heinous but nearly 40 years in jail is doing your time. do Americans not understand anything about the justice system. Let them out.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 14 2008 @ 12:35AM
sinistro says:

free susan,those pigs needed to be offed

Posted On: Sunday, Oct. 19 2008 @ 7:30AM
Olena Jemetz says:

She is the greatest woman ever. I wish I could have been here in Aug of '69. All that blood, unborn baby blood, screams, pain, terror, it all makes me wet.

Posted On: Saturday, Nov. 8 2008 @ 1:53PM
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Posted On: Thursday, Dec. 25 2008 @ 8:46PM
MissyMeow says:

If you read HER book, "Child of Satan, Child of God, it goes into great detail explaining her jailhouse conversion. It also cites a televised interview in which Charles "Tex Watson admits that he stabbed Sharon Tate, and Susan Atkins did not. Not that this makes her in any way less culpable, but it clears that aspect up. You can also Google Tex Watson; HIS book regarding his experiences with Manson is on his website (run by someone ourside the prison, obviously) is available to for reading in e-form. I cannot remember if he mentions Susan or not, but it is a very good and engaging read. In Atkins' book, she states that during her jailhouse confessions, she was, "wallowing in my own filth - and everyone else's." It is a very good read, although out-of-print. She details just how she leapt, rather than fell, from grace and eventually wound up serving Manson. I don't know what to say regarding compassionate release: she will never be able to afford her own healthcare, but the state continues to provide...and provide...and provide! I'd stay where I was & keep getting free medical care if I were her.

But seriously, if you ever wondered what ex-Family members would say about their time with Manson, check out Atkins' book (I got my copy for a nickel at a used-book shop) and read the online books of Watson AND Bobby Beausoliel (he was the one who killed Gary Hinman; Susan and Mary Brunner were present during the two-or-three day ordeal. Most of Manson's followers have rejected him and since converted to Christianity, so expect a certain degree of preachiness.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 13 2009 @ 9:40AM
MissyMeow says:

If you read HER book, "Child of Satan, Child of God, it goes into great detail explaining her jailhouse conversion. It also cites a televised interview in which Charles "Tex Watson admits that he stabbed Sharon Tate, and Susan Atkins did not. Not that this makes her in any way less culpable, but it clears that aspect up. You can also Google Tex Watson; HIS book regarding his experiences with Manson is on his website (run by someone ourside the prison, obviously) is available to for reading in e-form. I cannot remember if he mentions Susan or not, but it is a very good and engaging read. In Atkins' book, she states that during her jailhouse confessions, she was, "wallowing in my own filth - and everyone else's." It is a very good read, although out-of-print. She details just how she leapt, rather than fell, from grace and eventually wound up serving Manson. I don't know what to say regarding compassionate release: she will never be able to afford her own healthcare, but the state continues to provide...and provide...and provide! I'd stay where I was & keep getting free medical care if I were her.

But seriously, if you ever wondered what ex-Family members would say about their time with Manson, check out Atkins' book (I got my copy for a nickel at a used-book shop) and read the online books of Watson AND Bobby Beausoliel (he was the one who killed Gary Hinman; Susan and Mary Brunner were present during the two-or-three day ordeal. Most of Manson's followers have rejected him and since converted to Christianity, so expect a certain degree of preachiness.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 13 2009 @ 9:43AM
janellski says:

TO:
Posted on June 27, 2008 4:15 PM by Country Sue

Would you by chance be the real Country Sue ?

If so it is understandable why you would like to forgive Susan Atkins.

Posted On: Friday, Jan. 16 2009 @ 4:59PM
Bill says:

I see no reason for Susan Atkins to be released. What compassion did she have for the people she murdered? What about the victims family members like Debra Tate who have to fight to keep these people in prison, is that fair? I say keep her in there. I just can't feel sorry for someone like her.

Posted On: Tuesday, Mar. 10 2009 @ 1:36AM
Michelle says:

Seriously, how much trouble can you get into in prison.You can get into trouble,you can cause trouble sure,but you really gotta work hard at it. In prison,all you have is time,so you keep busy to occupy that time and make it easier to bear.
So if she or any of the others chose to join programs to help in prison,it only made their time easier. The greater good that comes from it was just a lucky happenstance. Who wouldn't want a cute cuddly puppy to raise in prison?
You can find God in prison easier than the outside,why? You got nothing but time to look for him.
Should have been looking for him before hand.

Give me a break on the broken home crap.I grew up in an abusive home,beaten and burned by sadistic alcoholics , who after it got boring, my mother abandoned my brother and myself , after 2 weeks ,welfare found us , took us away. The next series of foster homes weren't much better.
Despite all this,my brother and myself managed with out help to grow into responsible hard working professionals who pay our taxes and have happy families.
We managed to live respectable lives because we respected life having seen it at it's worst and knowing that ,we'd never want to subject anyone to that horror. Empathy is a personality trait you're born with,it's not learned,you have it or you don't. If you don't , you never will, you're a psychopath. Some psychopaths may never kill but they doesn't change the fact they'll never look at another person with feelings.
SO PLEASE spare me the abusive broken home crap,it's a like a broken record. You are who you are,environment doesn't really have as much to do with it was you think.

Maybe she's not the same person she was at the time of the crimes,but neither are her victims,they're rotting in a grave,so should she.

Posted On: Monday, Mar. 30 2009 @ 8:49AM
Paula says:

In 1967 I too was a 20 year old wild child. While the things
I did were never of the magnitude of Susan Atkins and company,
I regret a lot of the crazy antics I did.

These women were young, vulnerable to a guy like Manson, and, on drugs. They have spent 40 years in jail. Never lived their lives or had children. I think they have been punished enough. I doubt that they are still dangerous. Especially Susan. Ok, I know they committed horrible acts, but consider
the elements around them at the time. I know you would say if I was a relative of the victims would I say this. My answer,
YES I would. Its time to forgive - 40 years later. Let them go.

Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 10:55AM
lisa says:

She did wrong we all know this.. Move the hell on. People change. A person who cant move can cause no harm. One without a brain that works can really do no harm. Cut the crap.

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 10:30AM
Kelly says:

She should have been executed,but it's not right to hold somebody for 50 years,make them say they are sorry every few years and then sh't on her and say thats what you deserve because thats how you were 50 years ago,my problem with that is personally I'm not as sadistic as the killers were years ago,she's not the same drug induced down and out brainwashed little freak she was in 69-72,the sorry people here are the California DOC and the Supreme Court for stopping the executions for some stupid racism reasons that had nothing to do with real killers who needed to be put down..Susan Atkins after 50 years is not the same person,and should not be treated the same..Yeah and please California?..STOP GIVING PAROLE HEARINGS TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO F'KING CHANCE IN HELL OF GETTING OUT,EVEN MANSON GOT TIRED OF THE F'KING FREAK SHOW PAROLE HEARINGS EVERY FEW YEARS AND STOPPED IT...AND HE'S A RETARD!

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 30 2009 @ 12:53PM
Ray says:

It makes no sense to keep a person incarcerated at taxpayer expense who is dying from brain cancer, has had one leg amputated and is 85 percent paralyzed. She isn't going to get out of bed and start butchering people. She isn't going to suffer anymore than she already is one way or the other. She is going to lay in what ever bed they put her in and she is going to be eaten alive from cancer. She is going to suffer until her heart stops beating and her lungs stop breathing. What more can we do to this lady. I believe in the death penalty and I believe in making a person pay for their crimes. I also believe that cancer, amputation and paralysis has accomplished both of those punishments in her case. Stop punishing the taxpayers and parole her.

Posted On: Sunday, Jul. 26 2009 @ 9:40PM
Anonymous says:

i agree with you that the tax payers should not have to pay but that's not the point she should rot in a cell with out any medical attention so that she feels whats the people she killed felt people don't change

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 5 2009 @ 4:46PM
e yanoski says:

she deserves no more kindess than she gave 40 years ago to a small unborn child who never had the chance to live life and the childs mother who never had he chance to hold the baby in her arms.. Forgiveness well maybe parole no thats her dues for what she did back then.

Posted On: Monday, Aug. 10 2009 @ 6:04AM
TJ21 says:

That bitch doesn't even deserve hospital care let alone a free ticket out of prison. It's not right that she escaped the death penalty to begin with. Susan Atkins: I FEEL NO MERCY FOR YOU

Posted On: Sunday, Aug. 23 2009 @ 1:38AM
Glenn says:

All of these negative comments.... I'm glad none of you are on my jury.

I've been following this case for years, and think Susan Atkins, Pat K., and Leslie V.H. should be let out. They just released Squeaky Fromme, and she tried to kill the president!

What they did was horrible. It was also 40 years ago, and they were young, impressionable, etc. People change in 40 years. They have all expressed remorse and renounced Charles Manson. Their own parents are dying. What is so wrong w/letting them see their families one last time before they die?

Apparently that's "too good for them." The punishment factor in this case hasn't gone away. Sharon Tate's sister has not shown one ounce of forgiveness in all of this, just hate and punishment.

Charles Manson should never get out He orchestrated the entire thing. None of the Manson girls will ever get out, no matter how repentent they are or how saintly they become.

YOU CANNOT PUNISH PEOPLE FOREVER, FOLKS! ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT!

Posted On: Sunday, Sep. 27 2009 @ 7:37PM
Hamood says:

Glenn, would you say the same thing if these monsters had murdered your family. I bet probably not. I hope all these mofos die a slow and painful death and then rot in hell forever.

Posted On: Tuesday, Sep. 29 2009 @ 6:18PM
Anonymous says:

she is gone now

Posted On: Wednesday, Sep. 30 2009 @ 3:10PM
Randy Lyken says:

The evil baby killer is dead. I have no compassion for her!

Posted On: Saturday, Oct. 31 2009 @ 6:35AM
Bjoecki Georich says:

Really nice article!! i've found something similar on thewallpageDOTcom

Posted On: Monday, Dec. 14 2009 @ 4:07AM
Susan says:

Does anyone know the family of Steve Grogan and if he is related to George Grogan from California/

Posted On: Thursday, Dec. 17 2009 @ 4:36PM

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