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Phil Spector Trial Jurors Get the Case

By Steven Mikulan, Thursday, Mar. 26 2009 @ 2:17PM
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Today jurors in Phil Spector's murder trial got the case and began deliberations, after six months of testimony. Actually, for a while this week it seemed as though closing arguments were going to go on for another half year. This morning co-prosecutor Alan Jackson finished his rebuttal argument that he'd begun Wednesday afternoon.  As Jackson went into extra innings yesterday, ending half an hour past the court's usual closing time, it was appropriate that he opened today with a baseball metaphor.
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And not just any, but one using Joe DiMaggio's record-setting 56-game hitting streak of 1941 to pooh-pooh what Jackson regarded as defense attorney Doron Weinberg's tortured use of statistics. Would you, Jackson asked jurors, turn away from your transistor radio when DiMaggio came to bat in that historic 56th game against Cleveland? Notwithstanding that there were no transistor radios in 1941, it was a good rhetorical question, for the point Jackson next made was that Americans were glued to that game not for the numbers but for the fact that a man with a bat in his hand could continue his hitting streak. Likewise, all the science that Weinberg had thrown at the jurors Tuesday and Wednesday, Jackson said, was either of the junk or meaningless variety.

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"Every one of [his] points," said Jackson, referring to Weinberg's closing argument, "falls like [a] tin soldier."

Jackson particularly hammered on Weinberg's contention that, since none of Spector's DNA had been found on the .38 Colt Cobra that killed Lana Clarkson, it was obvious the famed music producer wasn't holding the gun when it went off in the foyer of his home on February 3, 2003. Weinberg's statement, Jackson said, was "a red herring" since the gun hadn't even been examined for that DNA -- the fact that the gun, like everything else in the house, belonged to Spector made testing it meaningless, and so it wasn't.

In other words, Jackson was saying, Weinberg had taken the mere fact that the Colt Cobra had not been tested for DNA and turned this into a scientific statement that no such DNA had been found on the gun. Jackson noted that, while the county's forensics specialists hadn't bothered with what they regarded as a time-wasting DNA search, the defense's experts could have subpoenaed the snub nose for their own tests, but didn't.

Similarly, Jackson took apart Weinberg's reminder to jurors that no gunshot residue (GSR) had been found on Spector's clothing and pointed out that, again, no such tests were conducted since Spector owned so many guns that it would've been pointless to. Jackson also went after Weinberg's statement that homicide investigators found no signs of a struggle in Spector's foyer, suggesting this proved Clarkson had shot herself in the mouth with the gun, rather than having had the revolver jammed between her teeth against her will by Spector before he fired it.

"No evidence of a struggle," dryly Jackson announced, "except for a dead woman in your foyer."

Jackson continued along these lines for close to 45 minutes, crossing off, on an easel, each of the 14 points of exoneration Weinberg had previously presented to the jurors. And, in what must have been an especially gleeful moment for him, Jackson dismissed a Weinberg point that a missing acrylic fingernail worn by Clarkson helped prove that she he had pointed the gun into her own mouth and pulled its trigger. That hypothesis had been presented by defense expert witness James Pex, who would leave the witness stand under a cloud of suspected perjury.

 "I've just got one question for Mr. Pex," said Jackson. "Where's the nail? If it had broken when she was in that house it would have been found."

The meaning of Jackson's remark was not lost on those in the courtroom who had attended the first trial. The case of the missing acrylic fingernail was an incendiary issue in Spector's 2007 proceedings that almost sent one lawyer to jail and could have cost forensic scientist Dr. Henry Lee his reputation, as it is widely believed that Dr. Lee found and removed the nail fragment from Spector's home during a defense team search of the foyer. As it happened, the incident effectively prevented Lee, a well-known criminalist and media celebrity, from testifying on Spector's behalf.

Also familiar to many today was Jackson's conclusion, during which he invited jurors "to take a little journey with me," on which Jackson walked them through the pivotal moment when Lana Clarkson, against her best instincts, changed her mind and left the House of Blues after her VIP hostess shift ended, and accompanied Spector to his Alhambra mansion, where she would die. It was more or less the same speech Jackson had used on jurors in the first trial, and ended with him asking them what would they tell the wavering Clarkson had they been standing next to her when she was making up her mind. Still, it was an effective piece of narrative and, besides, this jury hadn't heard it before.

Just before this speech, Jackson had pulled the stops out when he expanded on remarks that had been made Monday by co-prosecutor Truc Do. In her closing argument Do had likened to empty chambers in a Russian Roulette revolver the experiences of five women whom Spector had allegedly menaced with guns and violence following nights of heavy drinking. Clarkson, Do had said, was the sixth woman unlucky enough to receive the bullet in the chamber.

This morning Jackson intoned the names of each of these women who had testified, followed by the words, "A woman, alcohol and loss of control -- Phillip Spector reaches for a gun. Click." After each of these clicks a photo of the woman appeared on a projection screen, so that the five formed the circle of a revolver's cylinder. The courtroom cringed when Jackson got to Lana Clarkson and repeated the formula for Spector's behavior. Instead of saying "click" he went "Pow!" and the release felt among some spectators was as though he had fired a gun.

Whether that's how jurors felt -- or if it will affect their views of Spector's guilt or innocence -- remains to be seen. Their first duty is to choose a foreperson, then they will begin the deliberations that sent their predecessors, two years ago, into the tailspin of a mistrial -- deadlocked 10-2 in favor of conviction.

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Comments (56)

Stephen Gianelli says:

As a Contra Costs County (SF Bay Area) judge once explained to both sides of my case assembled for a status conference: Jurors tend to stop at red lights, to pay their taxes, and to tell the truth when they are under oath--and they do not think highly of witneses who do not.

Seriously, in terms of the jury giving any consideration to the driver De Souza, I think his admission that he committed perjury in four successive annual visa renewal applications--while not the crime of the century--is still perjury, meaning any responsible jury is not likely to rely on De Souza to convict.

And without De Souza there is no case--prior bad acts by Spector or not.

Actually, I did no know about this critical piece of evidence relating to De Souza until reported here.

Think Spector is a misogynist? (Or worse?)

Without a trustworthy De Souza it just does not matter. Russian Roulette theatrics notwithstanding.

Posted On: Thursday, Mar. 26 2009 @ 3:04PM
Finch says:

Good words Steven about an even better subject. Getting Phil Spector in jail where he should had been for the last six years is a very worthy topic. I do believe that Mr. De Souza was going to school while filling out those visa applications. He was not pointing guns at people and threatening women. As you mention, having something to hide would have been an easy out for this brave driver for hire that morning. He could have just not done the right thing. He could have not called 911. He told the truth and went for help. What did Phil Spector do? Nothing PS did was the right thing that morning. The worst thing he did was to kill Lana Clarkson. Let us look at the real crime and then decide who is the trustworthy one.

Posted On: Thursday, Mar. 26 2009 @ 5:06PM
Chris says:

The evidence seems overwhelming to me. I believe de Souza. He was scared because he saw the gun and got the H. out of there and called 911. If Spector were not guilty he would have called 911himself, and left all evidence in place and explained what happened. Instead he lied, doctored up the crime scene and called poor Lana a piece of sh**. No, if he doesn't go down this time, then the justice system of the US just doesn't work.

Posted On: Thursday, Mar. 26 2009 @ 7:25PM
Don French says:

Not hard to grok Mikulan's slant.
Hope the jury is less biased.
Some considerations.

1. 99% of intra-oral deaths are suicide. That's the sort of "Junk science" the Prosecution ignores.
2. 1.2 alcohol plus multiple Vicadins might cause mood swing. Tho not in Mikulan.
3. To jam a gun in MY mouth ... you couldn't do it. Especially get me to open so the gunsight clears!
4. The paid experts don't dance to a monetary tune = or their evidence wouldn't be allowed in court. They have strict rules. They don't accept every offer. The suicide experts said "Suicide."
5. It is possible, you know, that the test for gunshot residue on his sleeve was ...
done, but found nothing so claimed it was skipped. (Odd, they were otherwise so thorough.) Ever see "L.A. Confidential"?
6. Finally, face-wiping. This was somehow conclusive? Important? Explainable? I see it as the action of someone confronted with something horrible and acting irrationally to "make it go away." IT MEANT NOTHING TO THE CRIME SCENE, except to prove that a face had been wiped.

But press on, everyone. You were there, after all.

Posted On: Thursday, Mar. 26 2009 @ 7:34PM
Charlotte says:

Alan Jackson is a cutie-pie. Is he married?

Posted On: Thursday, Mar. 26 2009 @ 7:39PM
Robin Lester says:

Let's see... Spector did not call 911 on behalf of his female guest when she committed suicide(cough, cough.) Was combative with cops and swore at them. Never expressed any compassion for her death.

History of brandishing guns and men and women. I knew Dee Dee Ramone and he told me Phil stuck a gun in his face. My friends was pal with Doc Pomus and he says Spector waved a gun at him. Then there are all those women.

Guilty as charged

Posted On: Thursday, Mar. 26 2009 @ 7:41PM
Samuel says:

It is quite common for foreign professionals to come here on a student/tourist visa, and then pursue their professional goals while illegally extending these visas. These folks eventually then become our accountants, doctors, scientists, computer programmers, and dentists - while Americans play games on their computers/televesions, and eat nachos on the couch watching Jerry Springer after they have finished their shift asking 'Would you like fries with that?"

De Souza has accomlished so much more in his life than many uneducated American born citizens - and based on the jury demographic - his pursuits will be seen as furthering the American dream. The defense witnesses were largely white trash, noticed by anyone with a high school education.

Student/tourist visas are the common way for educated professionals to come to the United States, and then prove themselves - thus explaining why Microsoft is begging the government for expansion of professional immigrants be allowed in our country to do work most Americans cannot. Same with the health care profession. My accountant came here on a tourist visa, over extended it, and is now the Vice President of a major firm here in the US. Yes she missated her purpose for coming to the US, but is now earning money to help her local community, and giving back much more than so called American citizens whom believe they are 'entitled' > simply because they were born here.

Posted On: Thursday, Mar. 26 2009 @ 8:17PM
Don French says:

If I steal ten bicycles, I guess you don't have to prove I stole this one - I'm guilty!

Brandishing a gun and shooting it are a little different. NEVER shooting it for 40 years strikes me as evidence of no intent to ever shoot.

Dee Dee... he was the one that died of -- heroin overdose? One of the other Ramones denied it ever happened - recently. But that's eyewitnesses for ya.

Thirdhand Doc Pomus citation is good evidence?
In THAT case you're openminded.

Posted On: Thursday, Mar. 26 2009 @ 9:36PM
alex says:

Lana Clarkson went shopping for more comfortable shoes with her mother, just a few hours before she went to work, on that ill fated evening. Why is this important?
It shows she was looking at the future of working at the House of Blues. Next, I don't really care about statistics. How many women shoot themselves with their handbag on their shoulder. Ms. Clarkson wanted to go home. She put her handbag over her arm and Mr. Spector held a gun to her, as he had done in the past. Only this time, he murdered a lovely, beautiful, ambitious woman, who is missed by her family and friends. Now it's time for Phil Spector to spend some serious time behind bars in a prison.

Posted On: Thursday, Mar. 26 2009 @ 9:56PM
Alex F. says:

Er- Don French- can you explain why Spector never called 911 on behalf of his female house guest?

And yes, brandishing guns at men and women does show a pattern.

Spector's brandising a gun at Dee Dee was vouched for by Joey Ramone. Doc Pomus has given numerous statements about Spector and the gun; there are dozens and dozens of published stories of the number of people who pulled a gun on.

Sitll want to know why Spector didn't call 911 ? And why the heck was he so resistant and uncooperative with the police? If she had committed suicide, don't you think he would have been more respectful and given a full account of what happened -in a coherent fashion?


Why clean up the crime scene ? I would be on the phone so fast , calling someone. Maybe there was a chance she could have been saved. But no, he went around wiping blood.

Lana Clarkson, may you rest in peace. Thank god this trial is over.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 4:44AM
Anonymous says:

If PS came out of his house that evening, without a gun in his hand, and said something along the lines of, 'there's been an accident, call 911' - that would be an entirely different story. He did not. He had the gun in his hand and I believe the limo driver. He saw a murderer and got the h-ll out there, fearing he could be PS next victim. If you listen to the 911 tapes of de Sousa, it was very clear that he only had a accent. That doesn't mean he didn't understand English. He had a very good command of the language. He heard PS clearly.
PS has been waving guns around for decades. He was a train wreck waiting to happen. Anyone who could shoot a gun into a ceiling in the company of John Lennon and Yoko Ono, is capable of anything.
I for one know he murdered Lana Clarkson. She was not suicidal. She had her ups and downs like anyone else. She had family and friends who loved her. She made only one mistake in her life and that was that she hesitantly (watch the video) went home with PS.
Let's all stop trying to justify this murderer's actions. I for one hope he sits in jail for a very, very long time. Perhaps in a cell next to O.J. Simpson.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 6:09AM
Spectorfan8 says:

Great work Don French!! You are right on.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 6:53AM
Donna says:

Let us remember that her last e-mail was "I can't wait, XOXO."

I for one have been hospitalized for suicidal depression, and in the days leading up to that, there is not a ghost's chance in hell I would have written anything like that. Nor would I have been buying new shoes. People who are contemplating suicide GIVE their possessions away; they don't buy new ones.

Can Stephen G or Don French or whomever explain why Spector never called 911 if he was so worried about his house guest committing suicide ? Why did he have time to clean up and not call. And why would he not take his hands out of pockets with the cups? Why did he use four letter words with them? Don't you think he would be frantic with worry about a woman committing suicide in front of him ?

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 7:07AM
Stephen Gianelli says:

You might not turn away from your transistor radio when DiMaggio came to bat in that historic 56th game against Cleveland—but you would not bet a man’s life on it either.

To 7:07 am:

1. Spector told the driver to call for help; he did;

2. The police waited for almost half an hour outside the house before going in;

3. Yes, I think Spector was very frantic with worry--whether he killed her or not.

4. I am NOT saying he did not do it, just that it has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he did.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 7:36AM
Mineral Man says:

Common sense is a very important tool to use when looking at the evidence in a trial. It is even stated in the jury instructions.

Think about it. How many people leave loaded guns all over their house? Of those, how many have ever pointed a gun at someone? Of those, how many have actually held a gun to someone's head? How many have done this more than twice, three times, four times, five times? Or pointed a gun at someone while intoxicated and angery? Or used a gun to stop a woman from leaving?

One person has and that is P. Spector. Can you name one other (who is not already in prison)?

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 8:01AM
Mineral Man says:

Spector did not tell De Souza to call 911.

Right after the popping noise, he was at the back door, with bloody gun in hand, saying, "I think I killed someone".

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 8:05AM
Stephen Gianelli says:

Dear Mineral Man:

What Spector told De Souza--or more accurately whether De Sounza's testimony on that subject is reliable enough to convict of murder--is an issue in dispute that is going to be decided by this jury.

I know YOU (and many other arm chair jurors) are convinced, but let's see how the 12 people who eyeballed Souza this go around--and also heard for the first ime about De Souza's prior perjury--decide that issue.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 9:44AM
nancy s. says:

Mr. Mikulan,

Why would you infer that Alan Jackson was the cause of the marathon closings when it was Dorie Weinberg that droned on for TWO days?! Are you also on the payroll of the evil wee one? LOL

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 9:56AM
GW says:

Um, Mr. Gianelli -

What say you about Mr. Spector's failure to call 911? Methinks you're not seeing the big picture here. So far I have yet to hear an explanation from you. Oh sure you could say he was in shock but NOT IN ENOUGH SHOCK to clean up the crime scene,

And why was he so uncooperative with police ? Why the four letter words ?Why no words of distress or compassion for Ms. Clarkson? Methinks you are a personal friend of Weinberg- a son in law maybe- or a former staffer. But if you are a working lawyer, how do you have so much time to blog everywhere?

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 9:58AM
Joe Little says:

Stephen Gianelli:

The driver did not tell Spector to call for help. That's what Weinberg conjectured he might have said. What kind of a lawyer are you, to misstate facts like that?

The driver said Spector said I think I killed someone." Please do not put Weinberg's words in DeSouza's mouth. I am another person who think you work for Weinberg.

If Spector was so frantic with worry, why didn't he call the police himself ? If he was so frantic with worry, why did he not cooperate with the police ? Why was he so verbally abusive? If he was so frantic wiith worry, why did he not do everything he could to save the woman's life?

You have officially become laughable after your remark that said DeSouza said to call him. I shall not believe a single thing that you post from hereon in.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 10:05AM
Joe Little says:

Stephen Gianelli:

The driver did not tell Spector to call for help. That's what Weinberg conjectured he might have said. What kind of a lawyer are you, to misstate facts like that?

The driver said Spector said I think I killed someone." Please do not put Weinberg's words in DeSouza's mouth. I am another person who think you work for Weinberg.

If Spector was so frantic with worry, why didn't he call the police himself ? If he was so frantic with worry, why did he not cooperate with the police ? Why was he so verbally abusive? If he was so frantic wiith worry, why did he not do everything he could to save the woman's life?

You have officially become laughable after your remark that puts Weinberg's words in DeSouza's mouth. . I shall not believe a single thing that you post from hereon in.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 10:07AM
Suze says:

Guilty.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 10:08AM
K. Everly says:

To S. Gianelli

Regardless of whether or not Spector said, “I think I killed somebody,” the rest of the evidence overwhelmingly convinces me that he did commit this heinous crime. He made no 911 call, he washed his hands of telltale blood & gsr, he cleaned up & manipulated the crime scene (Lana did not wipe blood from her own face or place the gun by her ankle), he fought with police, he has a full history of gun threatening, and so much more. DeSouza's statement is merely icing on the cake & not as consequential as is being maintained; the rest of the evidence buries Spector.
I think the prosecution’s presentation was stellar and this is the end of the road for Spector, unless he has managed to bribe another juror (imo).

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 10:11AM
Anita Talmont says:

I can hardly wait to see Spector's mug shot without his wig! Not trying to count my chickens but am giddy with anticipation to see this giant monster in a mini-body lose life as he knows it when he moves in with Charlie Manson at the Corcoran country club (and boy it's no day at the park but at least he can buy makeup from the jail commissary, ha). YeeeHaaa!

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 10:32AM
Be Honest says:

If you were ever charged with murder, and you knew you were innocent, can you imagine not taking the stand to explain what really happened? Would you instead just sit through your entire trial letting others who weren't even there speak on your behalf?

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 11:30AM
alex says:

If the defense can throw enough junk at the jury and try to convince them the limo driver didn't hear PS accurately, then they have raised reasonable doubt. First the gun was in PS hand and then put by Lana's ankle. He messed with the scene because he was guilty. The driver heard exactly what he said he heard. I do fear PS will walk and this heinous murderer will be free for good. For me. I hope he's put away for life!

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 12:24PM
Stephen Gianelli says:

"If you were ever charged with murder, and you knew you were innocent, can you imagine not taking the stand to explain what really happened? Would you instead just sit through your entire trial letting others who weren't even there speak on your behalf?"

You bet the answer is YES.

There are many people who just make bad witnesses.

If a criminal defendant testifies, the focus shifts from has the prosecution proved the case against him beyond a reasonable doubt to a referendum on how the jury received the jury's testimony.

Do you think you could hold a favorable impression in front of 12 strangers already looking at you with suspicion under 3 days of withering cross examination by a skilled advocate like Alan Jackson, who could bring up every single indiscretion you committed in a colorful 69 year old life and make you answer, off the cuff, did it happen and what is your explanation?

If you could, you are one of the very few.

But there are many reasons that an innocent person might assert their right under the United States Constitution to not take the stand, and instead require the prosecution to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 4:54PM
Anonymous says:

Okay. Lana put the gun in her mouth and killed herself. PS then takes the gun and goes to the back door and says what?
-Call 911? No.
-A terrible accident happened? No.
-Help me!! No.
None of this makes any sense at all. How can anyone on this blog say this crazy lunatic didn't kill Ms. Clarkson. Guilty.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 5:43PM
Don French says:

"Common sense" tells you nothing: thinking is required.
Thank goodness the 'hanging bloggers' don't sit on juries.

To re-visit "He wiped off her face."
It's an irrational and meaningless thing.
A shocked reaction.
It cannot, does not, have any significance.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 8:46PM
ml groner says:

I can not believe that Lana was stupid enough to open her mouth so that PS could put a gun in it. She absolutely was not the type of person to be intimidated by anyone that much. If someone told me to "Open my mouth" so they could put a gun in it, I would have just laughed. If someone was trying to shoot her, she would just co-operate???? No, she would have not co-operated. If he is such a murderous man, wouldn't he have just shot her outright? The gun got into her mouth with some co-operation from Lana.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 10:56PM
Rosie says:

What I can't believe is that so many people are so addicted to this case that they hang on every slanted, manipulated word of a woman who begs for money over the internet for her sick cat. You are only getting a partial story; that which she wants you to hear. She is prejudiced beyond belief! But she is your "God," and you believe every word that comes out of her mouth. This is what is eerily sick!!! You people talk about Phil Spector being "strange," yet many see you as being the "strange" ones. You reek of vengeance and rage toward Spector, and believe that only you know the "truth," hanging on every petty detail of this case, wishing him dead. Yet, you really know nothing. You are unprofessional, unlearned, and petty "pretenders," just trying to fill up the emptiness inside of yourselves. But it doesn't work that way, and when this case is over, you will still have to live with yourselves, and somehow, I don't believe that will be an easy task!

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 27 2009 @ 11:36PM
Allan says:

I don't even know who "Sprocket " is. But everyone I know here on the East Coast believes Spector is guilty.

Some of us are able to think for ourselves.

Posted On: Saturday, Mar. 28 2009 @ 3:32AM
Rumpole says:

Let us not forget the facts. All the facts point to the logical conclusion. Phil Spector is guilty of killing Lana Clarkson on February 03, 2003. When he is in jail for the remainder of his pathetic life, when he only has one thought each day the thought of what put him there, when that thought wakes him from his sleep night after night, that is what I will be living with. Justice at last for Lana. Finally! That will be a very easy thing to life with especially for the Clarkson family.

Phil Spector is GUILTY OF MURDER

Posted On: Saturday, Mar. 28 2009 @ 8:22AM
Rosie says:

"Facts" or YOUR "fantasies?" No one knows the "REAL TRUTH" except 2 people, and one of them is dead. Those of you who hang on these boards, no matter where you live, are sensationalists with hate in your heart. Get a "REAL LIFE!" It is you who are "pathetic losers!" In the end, the jury will make it's decision. No matter how much you try, you are not part of this process!

Posted On: Saturday, Mar. 28 2009 @ 10:08AM
Don French says:

There's nothing humorous about this, so this observation is ... curious.
Several women - not a representative cross-section, but ones with an agendum - have suggested women won't kill themselves after buying shoes. If only the mental health profession knew this they could cure half the population with a shopping trip. It is an insulting oversimplification of women. (And in this case, bombed on drugs and booze, maybe the joy of footwear faded.)

Posted On: Saturday, Mar. 28 2009 @ 11:01AM
Holly and Tom says:

People who are suicidal give away their possessions; they do not buy them.

Don French: how do you account for Spector not doing his lady guest the courtesy of coming to her aid by calling the cops IMMEDIATELY after she was shot ?

Can't wait til the guilty verdict is read.

Posted On: Saturday, Mar. 28 2009 @ 12:58PM
bailey says:

It seems some posters are upset enough to accuse others of hanging on this board with nothing but hate to fill their hearts. Rosie, you are here more than anyone else so far and your posts spew hate over and over again. The jury will find the defendant guitly. Not you or any other poster here ...the facts logic and common sense will do that. Most people only seek justice for this woman and her family.
For caring law abiding citizens of this country that is a real life.

Posted On: Saturday, Mar. 28 2009 @ 7:17PM
Rosie says:

As I have said before, the "Trial Rats" are out in droves for their "hate-fix," and their ability to "count," only matches their ability to know fantasy from reality. Very sad state of affairs for our country. We have known for a long time that our educational system has been going down-hill, but this is really the "pits!" One can only hope that the jury is better educated than some of these readers!

Posted On: Sunday, Mar. 29 2009 @ 12:34AM
Anonymous says:

mi groner said:
If someone told me to "Open my mouth" so they could put a gun in it, I would have just laughed.

Yes. And that's precisely when Mr. Spector would have inserted the gun barrel right into your open, laughing mouth.

I hope you're not planning on becoming a defense attny when you grow up. :)

Posted On: Sunday, Mar. 29 2009 @ 11:20PM
Sprocket says:

Great write up as usual Steven.

One of my favorite lines of the trial, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence," by none other than James Kish, a paid defense expert.

When people truly grasp the significance of that forensic rule, ~that ALL blood spatter analysts agree with, then they will understand that virtually every one of the 14 "forensic facts" the defense tried to raise are meaningless.

Posted On: Monday, Mar. 30 2009 @ 1:03PM
Sweet Caroline says:

ROSIE: Who are YOU calling a "pathetic loser"? Your rants continually get you and your 23 names kicked off of the InSession boards so you come here where there is no moderator? I think it's time you haul your a*& out of the kitchen and out into the real world and see about making some real-life friends. Your posts indicate that you are borderline insane. Time to STEP AWAY FROM THE BOX.

ml groner-- I sincerely do not believe you know how you would react if you were a woman and a drunk, creey, little old man who probably spits when he talks was straddling you and trying to shove a pistol in your mouth. You can say whatever you want but your posts are lost on me, as it's so easy to say what you think you'd do from the safety of your den and your laptop.

Phil Spector is as guilty as it gets. I'm glad most of the people here have the brains to see it.

Posted On: Monday, Mar. 30 2009 @ 1:27PM
Kelley Lynch says:

Maybe someone with a brain will see how frightening Bill Pavelic's allegations are:

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: LAPD HUNT FOR DR. HENRY LEE - DR. MICHAEL BADEN - B. PAVELIC

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

THE HUNT FOR DR. HENRY LEE - DR. MICHAEL BADEN AND BILL PAVELIC

"....After years of grabbing negative headlines for losing the OJ Simpson double homicide case and other celebrity trials, involving the same three participants, it was inevitable and predictable that the Los Angeles criminal injustice system via Robbery Homicide Division would administer their personal vendettas against me, Dr. Henry Lee and Dr. Michael Baden. That moment arrived in 2007 when music mogul Phil Spector was charged with the murder of Lana Clarkson and the case was "assigned" to judge Larry Fidler. Revenge by the LAPD Robbery Homicide Division would be a "MF"and "MF" didn't stand for Mark Fuhrman...."

"....Exposing the truth is never in the interest of those who suppressed it and eliminating the messenger would have to be carried out with precision by the Los Angeles Police Robbery Homicide Division and their protectorate, the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office. Knowing that it was only a matter of time before the OJ Simpson facts would be re-calibrated in my "Guilty of Incompetence" expose, the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office and the LAPD Robbery Homicide Division in the Phil Spector's (2007) murder trial usurped the Los Angles Superior Court and Jude Larry Fidler, to falsely allege that Dr. Henry Lee, myself, and Dr. Michael Baden, were involved in a bogus "obstruction of justice" crime...."

"....The judge in the televised Phil Spector trial, on behalf of his friend Deputy District Attorney Patrick Dixon, creatively, albeit injudiciously, granted the LAPD Robbery Homicide Division the commensurate authority to "investigate" the disappearance of non existent "evidence" that was allegedly removed and or discarded by member(s) of the defense team, while conducting an examination of the Lana Clarkson's accidental suicide shooting scene...."

"....The "missing evidence" and or the "obstruction of justice" investigation was conveniently assigned to Robbery Homicide Division (RHD) investigator Victor Pietrantoni, a key player in the OJ Simpson criminal investigation. What a "happy coincidence" that this case would end up in the lap of Detective Victor Pietrantoni the RHD stud who was nicknamed "Casanova" because of his steamy relationship with a high ranking Los Angeles Deputy District Attorney. As my old LAPD Puerto Rican partner would say, "F----g a lawyer, especially a district attorney is the ultimate high for a cop and the fastest way to climb the ladder of success...." To be fair, Victor Pietrantoni is just one of many LAPD officers who are incestuously connected and or married to members of the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office, The City Attorney's Office and or to the jurists assigned to the Los Angeles and Orange County Superior Courts. Allowing Victor Pietrantoni (on behalf of his wife, DDA Patrick Dixon and Judge Fidler) to conduct an impartial obstruction of justice investigation was tantamount to allowing the fox to investigate who broke into the hen house...."

"....Instead of recusing himself and or convening the Grand Jury to investigate the false allegations which were revolting, contemptible and based on perjurious witnesses, the luminous Judge Larry Fidler took a page from the "Spanish Inquisition" period and used his black robe, minus the hood, to lunch a personal, vicious, unethical and unrelenting smear campaign against Dr. Henry Lee, with one objective in mind; to publicly humiliate and destroy Dr. Henry Lee's professional reputation, knowing that he can do it with impunity while hiding behind his judicial immunity...."

"....It should have come as no shock to Judge Fidler that dishonesty was compulsory in much of Robbery Homicide Division and that Judge Fidler's colleagues at the Los Angeles District Attorneys Office have shown an affinity for using the grotesque Robbery Homicide Division to once again, dispense their own form of perverted justice trough manufactured and rigged investigations...."

http://www.guiltyofincompetence.com/viewtopic.php?t=98&view=previous&sid=c891725fe65976badec1df274e3d5d1b

www.billpavelic.com

Posted On: Monday, Mar. 30 2009 @ 2:00PM
Don French says:

Another applicable thought.
"Common sense" was especially valuable in the old days before science. When much of your village was struck by a stomach ailment that led to death, you used common sense to deduce that the one segment of people who survived intact caused it, so you killed them all. The real reason was they ate no pork, and it was swine-born virus, but at least 'common sense' prevailed!

Posted On: Monday, Mar. 30 2009 @ 2:37PM
Jan says:

Rosie, do your comments about people who are interested in this trial being "pathetic hate monger losers who hang around these blogs and need to get a life" apply to you? I have notice you hangin around alot. Hmmmm? You and PS must be buddies. You are pretty hateful yourself. In fact maybe you are PS with a girly wig on posing as Rosie. How clever to pose as a women whom we all know you hate.

Posted On: Monday, Mar. 30 2009 @ 3:08PM
Don French says:

As for forcing the gun into someone's mouth, at the trial it was shown that the blowback at a thousand or something pounds per square inch would go forward and propel, in a mass, onto a standing gunholder. Instead it flew forth onto the victim.

Also, as someone said, approximately "When it's between a 120 pound, 5 foot 5 man and a 160 pound woman nearly 6 feet tall, I'm betting on the latter to win a struggle."

Posted On: Monday, Mar. 30 2009 @ 3:34PM
Sprocket says:

It's not surprising to see that the Spector supporters are also uninformed about the physics of Boyle's Law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyle%27s_law

It's beyond ridiculous to think that just because someone "outweighs" another individual, that would give them the confidence to attempt to disarm someone with a loaded weapon.

People forget that Lana Clarkson was seated in a chair and in that position, Spector was the one who was towering over Lana with a loaded weapon.

Let me know the next time some tiny, drunk and raging misogynist is standing over you with a loaded weapon while you're seated in a chair, you will immediately think about trying to disarm them.

Posted On: Monday, Mar. 30 2009 @ 5:02PM
Don French says:

Key evidence would be that gunshot residue was on his sleeve. The police didn't test it because "he had a lot of guns, so its presence would be meaningless." Meaning he tried on 40 coats and shot guns with all of them? He never shot a gun that we know of, except maybe at a ceiling at a recording session in 1970. Waving them but NOT shooting them was his M.O!!! So the cops decided that ALL his coats are ridden with gunshot residue so they didn't test them? This is absurd. They tested and found nothing or they're complete idiots.

Posted On: Monday, Mar. 30 2009 @ 6:38PM
Sprocket says:

Again, evidently someone didn't pay attention to the testimony of experts on GSR.

Just owning a gun means there will be GSR in the environment and Spector had FOURTEEN weapons on the property. Same EXACT issue in the Robert Blake trial.

And that comment about Spector never firing a weapon...there were quite a few reports in the press of Spector firing his guns off at targets on his property. Certainly not something that came into testimony, but I find it hard to believe the last time he fired a weapon was at the ceiling in front of John Lennon.

Posted On: Monday, Mar. 30 2009 @ 7:37PM
Sprocket says:

More expert testimony on GSR from the Robert Blake trial.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/blake/011805_ctv.html

QUOTE FROM ARTICLE:
.

Dowell previously testified that he found gunshot residue (GSR) on the clothes Blake was wearing the night Bakley was murdered — including a pair of black leather boots, a black cotton T-shirt, Levi's blue jeans, a turquoise belt buckle, and a pair of black socks.

Dowell, who was recalled to the stand to complete his testimony from last week, reaffirmed what several GSR experts have testified to — that the sticky residue can easily be transferred from surface to surface, that it can stick to clothing for years, and that it is not a reliable indicator of whether the actor fired the gun that killed Bakley.

Dowell also testified during cross-examination that if Blake had been shooting at a firing range, he may have had GSR on his boots for an extended time.

"Since the socks were worn under his boots, and the tops of his boots were covered by his jeans, the discovery of GSR on the socks may well have been because the socks, jeans, T-shirt and boots were all put in a box together?" defense attorney Gerald Schwartzbach asked Dowell.

"Yes, it's possible," Dowell said.
___________

The presence or non presence of GSR does not tell you who fired the weapon. All forensic experts will tell you that.

Posted On: Monday, Mar. 30 2009 @ 8:23PM
Anonymouse says:

There are people who knew Lana and we know she would never have killed herself in the dark and creepy foyer of some little troll's castle. She would never have killed herself period. She would never do that to her family and her friends.

We all have ups and downs. Good times and bad. She was radiant and hopeful. She was funny and smart and beautiful, and was looking forward to a future. As someone pointed out, a depressed person doesn't RSVP to a party with XOXO.

So besides the fact that people who knew her know she didn't shoot herself in the mouth, (with two healing, weak wrists that would have made it painfully impossible to hold the gun), the over-whelming body of evidence points to Phil as the shooter.

Maybe, as he stated when the cops first came, before he manufactured his pathetic story about suicide, it was an accident. Go back to the LA County Superior Court website and read the police accounts. And Adriano's testimony. It's pretty telling.

And then there was the house-keeping Phil engaged in after he shot her. Lana sure as hell didn't rise from the dead and wipe her prints off that gun. That might not be the fait accompli, but when you add up all the facts.... it's clear the defense logic makes no sense.

And if someone pointed a gun in my face, I imagine I would gasp or say something, giving him opportunity to jam it in.

Poor sweet Lana. What a terrible, terrible person you are Phil Spector. YOU should kill yourself and make amends for this horrible thing you've done.

Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 1 2009 @ 4:39PM
Wendy says:

Lana was known in Hollywood circles as working as a high end prostitute for Babydoll Gibson.(see Vanity Fair article). Also, a former boyfriend of Lana's witnessed Lana threatening to kill herself just a month or 2 before she did. Fidler would not allow any of this in as evidence. The DA is so desperate to prove they can "win" a celebrity trial, and Fidler is on their team!

Posted On: Thursday, Apr. 2 2009 @ 9:22AM
Friends in need says:

Wendy - that is total bullshit. BabyDoll Gibson is not a "reliable informant", to put it politely.

The people who knew her know Lana did not shoot herself in the mouth in the foyer or some creepy stranger's castle. While only the testimony of Adriano was ruled admissible as evidence, let's not forget the fact that Spector admitted TWICE that he shot her. To whit:


http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=People+vs.+Phillip+Spector&casenum=BA255233&date=2008-11-03%2009:48:13

Spector made a statement to Adriano De Souza, the infamous "I think I killed somebody," within a minute or two of the fatal shot.

Spector made statements to the police directly after the event, still at his house about 40-50 minutes later. During the "take down" of Spector, Alhambra Police Officer Bea Rodriguez heard Spector say, "I didn't mean to shoot her. It was an accident."

Officer Page turned on his tape recorder and recorded this statement, slightly different than the first, not long after the statement Officer Rodriguez overheard:

SPECTOR: "The gun went off accidentally. She works at the House of Blues. It was a mistake. I don’t understand what the fuck you people is wrong with you. Jack Mapel worked for me. He worked for the chief of police. Oh, God. I’m just gonna go to sleep. Would you like me to go to sleep?"

At the Alhambra Police Station, the explanation changed again as to what happened.
It's possible that after hours in police custody, with the reality of the situation sinking in, Spector started to think up an alibi. The only other explanation that might get him off the hook for pulling a gun on a woman would be if he told them she committed suicide.

End of story. Guilty as charged.

Posted On: Thursday, Apr. 2 2009 @ 3:15PM
JJ says:

Phil Spector even told police he killed Miss Clarkson, too bad the jury didn't get to hear that statement. But the rest of the evidence was overwhelming, lock him up & throw away the key before he kills someone else.

Posted On: Friday, Apr. 3 2009 @ 1:53PM
Spectorfan8 says:

The prosecution's presentation was excellent and I am now convinced of Spector's guilt, 2nd degree murder. Hope the jury convicts this murderer.

Posted On: Friday, Apr. 3 2009 @ 2:00PM
Compak says:

Phil Spector is a convict,he is not a hollywood star that eats fancy foods,wears makeup,drinks martinis...that life is HISTORY,he is a CDC inmate who will need to eat what they give him and drink Orange Juice,and probably share a cell with a gangsta.END OF STORY.

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