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Queer Town: New Poll Shows Prop. 8 Losing

By Patrick Range McDonald, Wednesday, Oct. 22 2008 @ 10:56PM
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On Wednesday night, the Public Policy Institute of California, a highly respected, non-partisan polling group, released new numbers on Proposition 8, the November 4 ballot measure that would ban same sex marriage in California. According to its findings, 53 percent of likely voters would vote "no" on Prop. 8, while 44 percent would vote "yes." "It's getting closer," says PPIC President Mark Baldassare, "but still a majority opposes (Proposition 8)."

The poll was taken between October 12 and 19, around the time the No on 8 campaign aired a strong TV ad titled "Unfair." 1,186 likely voters were polled, which is a very solid sampling, and better than the SurveyUSA poll, which found Prop. 8 was winning. Pollsters read the actual ballot language to these likely voters, which says the measure would "eliminate" the right for gays and lesbians to be legally married, and then they gave their responses.

PPIC also found these results:

29 percent of likely Democratic voters said they would vote "yes" on Prop. 8, 67 percent would vote "no," and 4 percent "don't know." With likely Republican voters, 70 percent would vote "yes," 26 percent said "no," and 4 percent "don't know." With Independent voters, 39 percent would vote "yes," 58 percent said "no," and 4 percent "don't know."

When the numbers are broken down according to regions, 54 percent of likely voters in the Central Valley said they would vote "yes" on Prop. 8, 43 percent said "no," and 3 percent "don't know." In the San Francisco/Bay Area, 29 percent would vote "yes," 67 percent said "no," and 3 percent "don't know. In the Los Angeles area, 42 percent would vote "yes," 55 percent said "no," and 4 percent "don't know." In the rest of Southern California, 52 percent would vote "yes," 42 percent said "no," and 6 percent "don't know."

With ideology, 19 percent of likely voters who call themselves "liberal" would vote "yes," 77 percent said "no," and 3 percent "don't know." 41 percent of "moderates" would vote "yes," 54 percent said "no," and 5 percent "don't know." 72 percent of "conservatives" would vote "yes," 25 percent said "no," and 4 percent "don't know."

In terms of race, PPIC didn't have a large enough sampling of African Americans to include them in the poll. But, pollsters found that 43 percent of likely Latino voters would vote "yes," 53 percent said "no," and 3 percent "don't know." 44 percent of whites would vote "yes," 52 percent said "no," and 4 percent "don't know."

With age, 37 percent of likely voters between the age of 18 and 34 said they would vote "yes," 59 percent said "no," and 4 percent "don't know." 42 percent of likely voters between the age of 35 and 54 said they would vote "yes," 55 percent said "no," and 3 percent "don't know." 50 percent of likely voters who are 55 years old or older said they would vote "yes," 44 percent said "no," and 6 percent "don't know."

When all likely voters were asked if they favored or opposed same sex marriage, which is a separate question from whether or not they oppose Proposition 8, 47 percent said they "favor" same sex marriage, 49 percent "oppose" it, and 5 percent "don't know." Of this statistic, Baldassare says, "It's pointing to the fact that the electorate is closely divided on this issue."

Lastly, likely voters for both sides of the Proposition 8 battle were asked if the outcome of the November 4 vote was "very important," "somewhat important," "not too important," or "not at all important." For the "Yes" side, 69 percent of likely voters said the outcome was "very important," 20 percent said "somewhat important," 7 percent said "not too important," 3 percent said "not at all important," and 1 percent did not know.

For the "No" side, 49 percent said the outcome was "very important," 32 percent said "somewhat important," 13 percent "not too important," and 6 percent said "not at all important." Baldassare said these numbers show the Yes side may be more passionate about the Prop. 8 outcome.

More than race, gender, or anything else, Baldassare believes that "party politics" will be the most crucial factor in the final vote. "Obviously, the No side is going to benefit from a big Democratic turn out."

Contact Patrick Range McDonald at pmcdonald@laweekly.com.

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Politicass says:

Great article!

Here are my thoughts:

The Gay-Rights debate has hit a dead end a long time ago. You're either intensely pro-Bible or you aren't and, thus, you're either pro Gay-Rights (including marriage) or you're not. That's pretty much what it comes down to. Rational debate won't change anybody's minds.

The best way to proceed, in my opinion, is to move the goalposts! One great way to do this was used in in a fascinating new film called COMING SOON. It's a faux-documentary about a Zoophile-Rights revolution and most viewers (at least from what I gather on-line) actually consider supporting this movement after seeing this film It's that convincing! And once you start considering Zoophile-Rights, Gay-Rights seem as controversial as a Sunday morning still through the park!

(You can check out a low-res version of the film for free at http://www.comingsoon.cz)

Sincerely,

Politicass

Posted On: Thursday, Oct. 23 2008 @ 1:12PM
Reggie Love says:

My Concerns For Voting Christians
                      "Saving The Right To Marry"
I was raised in the Roman Catholic Church and as an adult I re-dedicated my life to Christ. My early tribulations stemmed from guilt and the judgment of the church for obvious tomboyish ways I displayed. That lead to teen drug abuse and later attempts of suicide. I was gay and I knew it from a very early age. Like Martin Luther, the German monk, who discovered Gods grace through our faith in Christ in the book of Romans, I discovered it in Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond or free, male nor female: for ye all are one in Christ Jesus."

Being a gay Christian is my religion, and having freedom of religion in America we should have the same rights every married couple shares. The right to protect our property and be checked into the same room in a retirement home when we grow old. The right to visit and make decisions for our loved ones in the hospitals.

Voting no on Prop 8 in California does not change the meaning of the word, marriage. The same fear some people may have had in the south when black and whites wanted to have rights for their marriages. Many things like, the rate of Christian divorce already changes the meaning of an intimate close union. Voting No on prop 8 is allowing a committed, loving couple the same rights as a straight couple. And it protects our California Constitution of equal protection.

Voting no on prop 8 does not teach children about perversions or lifestyles. Straight or gay perversions like  Madi Graas or the Gay parade, are gross misrepresentation. California schools barely have time to squeeze in all the standards and manage their budget. As a LAUSD worker I know we mold good citizens to keep Martin Luther King Jr., the civil rights leader's dream alive by looking into the content of ones character and above all, we teach peace and acceptance, integrity and kindness.

Voting no on prop 8 does not take away from our morals as a state or a nation. Other countries turns their backs on hate crimes and murders of gay and lesbians. Voting no on 8 shows the world that California has not lost our core value  that all men are created equal, and endowed by their creator with an unalienable right to these, LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS! Love another and always place the Lord first in your life.

Posted On: Thursday, Oct. 23 2008 @ 8:01PM
JasonJack says:

Proposition 8 is important. it harms children because it changes what teachers will teach. even if it's not mandatory, many teachers will teach it in schools, and it will be hard to stop casual comments by teachers if we allow Gay marriage. The Teachers' association opposes it because it would change what is taught in schools, not because there is no effect.

Posted On: Thursday, Oct. 23 2008 @ 9:07PM
Greg Theron says:

Vote No On 8! California is a place for acceptance.

Posted On: Saturday, Oct. 25 2008 @ 9:13PM

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