Did Justin Bieber Really Tell Rolling Stone that Rape 'Happens for a Reason'?

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The Bieb has had to learn some tough lessons since becoming one of the world's biggest child pop stars. (Remember that whole gay-bashing thing? Can't a lil' millionaire play laser tag without being harassed?) Well, here comes another one.

In a new interview with Rolling Stone, cover star Justin Bieber, .a.k.a. Super Boy, was grilled on politics, sex, and sexual politics. The topic of abortion was broached and the wee Christian bro sorta, kinda wound up justifying forcible sex. Whoops!

Was the magazine out of line in asking a 16-year-old to weigh in on such an adult issue? Has Bieber committed an unforgivable faux pas? Read for yourself:

He isn't sure what political party he'd support if he was old enough to vote. "I'm not sure about the parties," Bieber says. "But whatever they have in Korea, that's bad." He does have a solid opinion on abortion. "I really don't believe in abortion," Bieber says. "It's like killing a baby?" How about in cases of rape? "Um. Well, I think that's really sad, but everything happens for a reason. I guess I haven't been in that position, so I wouldn't be able to judge that."

You don't have to be a geometry whiz (if A=B and B=C, then A=C -- transitive law, bitch) to connect the dots on that one. Read more excerpts over at Rolling Stone. It's quite possible that rape simply doesn't exist in Bieber's world: "I don't think you should have sex with anyone unless you love them." Oh, the lessons to be learned.

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hamide-aktas
hamide-aktas

why does everybody misinterpret this SO MUCH? his mum was sexually assaulted multiple times when she was younger, do you really think he would say such a thing??? he simply said "everything happens for a reason" what he said hat NOTHING to do with not takibg rape seriously. he didnt say that the victims were causing it themselves. he said that god lets everything happen for a reason. not that the girls were the reason they got raped.

sezzybubs
sezzybubs

Look, i think if you are a celebrity, you just have to accept that what you say - you will be judged by. Whether any of us are 'Beiber fans' the fact of the matter is, he has to accept responsibility for what comes out of his mouth. In this case, he basically gives reason for women (or men) to be raped. He actually justifies the action by saying 'Everything happens for a reason' What? Um no... Not only that, but the vast majority of his target audience are young girls. What does that say for them? 

"Oh, i got raped the other day, but its ok. because my idol, Justin Beiber says it happens for a reason"

I hope I never hear that.

Celebrities go into the limelight with the (i hope) acknowledgement that they are scrutinized for what they say, do and portray. Some of you say  yeah, he's a kid.. but if he's a kid, what the hell are they doing asking him adult questions? Not only that, but maybe he is too young to realise how damn stupid and immature he is. I know people who have unfortunately been raped. How dare he condone it.


bieberhater666satan
bieberhater666satan

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ilovetessculhane
ilovetessculhane

I actually think Bieber himself was concieved in rape, though I do apologize if that turns out to be true.

 

While I despise Bieber's music, he does have a point. There are people alive today who were concieved in rape, and it is not like they should be regarded as less than human or be put to death because of the sins of their father.

Guest
Guest

just because he said everything happens for a reason doesn't mean it was about the rape it could mean getting an abortion when you are raped

Melanie Cliff
Melanie Cliff

well since I am an adult Bieber fan I will try to approach this from and "adult" prospective. He is a 17 year old boy who is submersed in a major career....He has NO need to concern himself with the "real" issues effecting kids his age. He is no longer living a normal life of a young boy. Im sure the adult giving him the interview questions was looking for him to hang himself by asking questions that are leading...What point are they trying to make?  That his christian up bring makes him as ignorant as all other christians twice his age? I think that point was made long before Bieber!....Anyway who cares how he feels about politics and abortion...NOT the tweens who are listening to his music I'm sure....personally his music is if anything an escape from all that. Afterall isnt that what Bieber is about?..MUSIC! I could care less what he thinks. He is an entertainer that is all...Do we expect that power and money should make him conscious? Uhhhh no. He is a well marketed, pretty boy with a repubesent voice and milllions of girls of all ages adore him.....Ride the wave Justin  you have years to worry about all that other shit!

Tori2094
Tori2094

Thats not what he meant.. leave the poor kid alone... hes 17... youre gonna pick on him and twist his words around like that?? wow.

bieberhater666satan
bieberhater666satan

what he ment was he is a rape product and will always be that and nothing else.....loololololollelelelellelel

Angelica Cole
Angelica Cole

I think people shoulder bash on what he says, Justin can have an opinion too. Just because he is famous dosent change him, he is a person just Like you and me. Reality is we all make mistakes and I'm sure if you were put on the spot you might say some things that people disagree on, but if we didn't have an opinion everybody would be the same. BORING (i will always support Justin in what he does because he helped me in the toughest times in my life) so lay off and give the boy his room. (<3 Angelica g. C.)

Asdfghjkl
Asdfghjkl

Yes the reason rape happens is because the person wanted to have sex with the other person but said person said no, and well that person didn't take no for an answer

bieberhater666satan
bieberhater666satan

mhm this time the whole world got punishment for the rape

horrible sounds everywhere!!!=)/=¤)"(?"=(

W137bms
W137bms

Justin Bieber is a child. He may be famous, but it's not his responsibility to fix the world's problems. Lay off him.

bieberhater666satan
bieberhater666satan

he is continuing to make music and also responsible for what he have done.

only 7 year olds cant be held responsible for stuff like that

 

Guest
Guest

This interviewer asked some pretty hard to answer kinda questions. When I was 16 I knew nothing on politics (I still don't actually), my views on abortion has changed, and rape? Seriously why would the interviewer ask him about that anyways? Was he expecting to maybe hear from a 16 year old "Hell yeah go and have sex with however many people you want, don't take no for an answer." He was probably nervous, didn't know what to say. Since these days every word that comes out of his mouth the media tries to twist. I know when asked about important issues like this, I'm careful with what I say to not offend anyone. All I'm trying to say is he must've been a nervous wreck.

Sara
Sara

Look, I'm 16 years old, female, pro-choice, and I do not have Bieber Fever. However, I really really don't think he's saying rape is ok. And I do agree that people are most certainly twisting what he said. Firstly, If he's pro-life, then that's his business. Secondly, I don't think he even knows what abortion means for the girl, and it's not his fault. Abortion is a hard topic for everyone, and there is a lot shades of gray. Leave the Bieber alone.

Monica_joy1
Monica_joy1

He meant "the pregnancy" he believes... A baby happens for a reason. NOT rape happens for a reason.

bieberhater666satan
bieberhater666satan

rape = funny... but not this time :L

because justin bieber is ruining everything for everyone

Shelbis123
Shelbis123

See, I'd side with you, but he said EVERYTHING.

RyThoJo
RyThoJo

In his defense, no one was asking Debbie Gibson her views on Iran-Contra, nor David Cassidy what he thought of the oil embargo. He's 16. 16 year old kids are, for the most part, idiots. Their socio-political viewpoints are largely those of their parents. Wikipedia this guy and you'll see that his mother is a psycho-Christian who was unsure about launching her kid into stardom and riches because the guy who would be ushering him into said success is a Jew. Give him a few years. Hopefully he'll become worldly enough and meet enough people to straighten his opinions out.

Puraraplazma
Puraraplazma

If everything happens for a reason than dosn't that mean all abortions happen for a reason?

bieberhater666satan
bieberhater666satan

he was not aborted because god was angry and wanted to punish humanity

Angela Garcia as NeonMosfet
Angela Garcia as NeonMosfet

Gosh Ward. You were a little rough on the Bieber.

I don't see where he justified anything, including BIRTH CONTROL.

Angela Garcia as NeonMosfet

Stroker Ace
Stroker Ace

And who cares what he thinks anyhow.

bieberhater666satan
bieberhater666satan

no one cares what he thinks but they want hate his opinions too because they hate him.......for a reason

Stroker Ace
Stroker Ace

I think he meant the baby was born for a reason, that all children are worth something. I don't think he meant there was any sort of reason behind the crime of rape.

guest
guest

I think it's inappropriate that the magazine would even ask a 16 year old such a question.

Mikeeusa
Mikeeusa

Some facts: Deut 22 28-29, in the hebrew, allows unbetrothed virgin girls (yes the word in hebrew is girl) to be raped by a man, she must become his woman (ie: basically a slave wife), he cannot send her away, he has to pay her father 50 silver, 50 silver sheckles is about 1 1/4th lb of silver: about 600 US dollars today, which was about the cost of 2 months of bread for a roman. Not an insurmountable sum... atleast for people that... you know... live and eat food and keep doing that to continue to live and eat food.**

The kidnapping law talks about kidnapping a man (as opposed to a woman) (seemingly in-order to sell the man as a slave) [exodus], or kidnapping a brother of the sons of Israel to sell as a slave or keep as merchandise (Deuteronomy)****, and one is not allowed to kill someone breaking into your house during the day. So basically a path is cleaved through the law for every man to take a young bride if he so wishes.

Other thoughts is that it seems, at least in deuteronomy, that betrothed girls are in the custody of the man they are married to, they live in his house but he has not yet had sexual intercourse with her (law talks about returning to your house to be with your betrothed).

Anyway, go debate. Or, just read and accept. I mean, cmon don't you notice that the Isrealites were raping hundreads of virgin girls and forcing them into marraige? Didn't you even notice Jacob's reaction when his 2 sons killed the guy (and his town) that raped and then fell in love with Dinah was to CURSE his 2 sons YEARS, DECADES, later for their act (on his deathbed: he never forgot the evil his sons did to that man and the man's people). Don't you kinda notice that his wish is just a /little/ bit consistent with the deuteronomical law to have the girl be a wife of the man who raped her? Ever notice how later (outside of the first 5 law books) the girl Tamar who was raped by some relative begged him not to send her away... ever notice that this harkens back to the deuteronomical law that the girl must be the mans wife and he must not send her away?

Ever notice that husbands were called ba'al : master (yes the same title the cannanites refered to their various local gods as (master)). Ever notice that wives are just called the man's woman in the hebrew? Ever notice that daughters do not inherit a dime unless every single son of the father (who may very well be a polygamist) is dead and gone, and the "wives" inherit nothing?

Did you ever weave all these points of fact together in your head and sorta imagine the society, and the girls, the young girls married to men, calling the man master, owning nothing, inheriting nothing (unless the male lineage is dead)?

Ever even come to grips with the fact that the word translated as take-hold, seize, rape, etc in Deut 22 28-29 is used elsewhere primarially when the hebrews are taking a city by force, weilding a sword, dragging a disobedient child to the town elders to be stoned untill he is dead...

No?

**Some additional information on the hebrew word "taphas":http://www.theologyonline.com/...

****One thing I wonder is if, when the hebrew says man, any brethren Isralite, etc. Does it mean everyone including women, or just the men:

"" A primitive word; a brother (used in the widest sense of literal relationship and metaphorical affinity or resemblance (like H0001)):--another, brother (-ly), kindred, like, other. Compare also the proper names beginning with "Ah-" or "Ahi-". ""

""" 1) brother

1a) brother of same parents 1b) half-brother (same father) 1c) relative, kinship, same tribe 1d) each to the other (reciprocal relationship) 1e) (fig.) of resemblance""""

If it means "any human" as many have decided to believe now, then someone could use this law to have the man that raped the unbetrothed young girl killed anyway (even though that law says that she is to be his woman and he must not send her away all his life (the one using the other law would then say "heh heh, which won't be very long!"))

This would be legalism (something Jesus taught against). And it is deadly (taking the good Law of God, where the men can have the sweet young brides they desire, and fathers and others who do not want men to have young brides cannot hoard the daughters away from the man who wishes to not be alone, and nullifying it by applying some other (less-specific?) law).

Were girls even considered children of Isreal? In the geneologies it's all sons listed.The spirit of the law seems to be that girls belong to men: they shall be men's, whether they or their fathers want this or not (what use does a father have for a daughter? She is to be a man's bride, not kept in her fathers house forever gathering dust), and as we saw before in deuteronomy the Law states that one may not kill a man breaking into one's house to steal, so THAT idea, which gets thrown at the deut 22 rape of virgin girls law won't work (peeps don't even know about the leniency theives get (pay back 2x) nor the provisions aliens, levites, widows, the poor get (people can take grain in their hands from any farm they are passing through)).

******You know that the levites slaugered any town that worshiped the goddess religion (where women owned property, seccession was matralineral (mother to daughter), Asteroth was worshipped (along with her consort Baal (master) and various other gods.. equally), women got money from men by having sex with them, and the temple owned much land and the proceeds went to the priestesses)... in one accounting the levites go in and look for any man who is sad and wishing the religion of YHWH would come back, they mark them, then come in and kill all the pro-women goddess worshipers?

Turducken
Turducken

Whoever let JB do this interview failed him big time on this. That kid came out looking like a class A moron. Where was Justin's agent on this one? Probably at home swimming in a pool full of money like Uncle Scrooge. And JB, you need to stick to music. You have your opinions i know, but you didn't become the #1 teen idol in the world by sharing your enlightening views on abortion and politics. And if they ask these question again in the future sometime, perhaps politely decline to comment on these matters until you fully know what you're talking about. Good luck dude.

Ano
Ano

Now, I'm not a fan of Bieber, but evryone's got an opinion that they've just got to get fixated on, and so, it's clearly being shown here. First of all, the KID's only a 16 year old, when does Rolling Stone or any other notable newspaper or magazine or whatever go around asking questions about politics, sex, sexual politics and abortion? I'm sure I've never read any article on Madonna, let's just say, discussing abortion or rape. They've clearly prepped these questions just so they can lure in more readers, because, as we all know, controversy sells more. However, if all this questioning were agreed upon by Bieber and/or his management, well, that's something they should've thought twice about, so kudos on being creative in the marketing department. I would hate to defend his answers, so from a very very neutral perspective, I have to say that Justin Bieber's answer "everything happens for a reason" is being taken out of context, once again, what every gossip/news article does to attract attention. I don't agree with him, but I can undrstand what he's trying to say. Before you start frothing at the mouth, listen to this, the answer he's given, "Um. Well, I think that's really sad, but everything happens for a reason. I guess I haven't been in that position, so I wouldn't be able to judge that." states that he does, think it's sad, who can disagree with that? But as everyone who isn't a rape victim should know, we really can't imagine all the trauma and shit victims have experienced, so we're in no position to describe the hurt and all the emotions that can stem from it. After all, isn't that how the question was asked? What were his thoughts? "Everything happens for a reason", there are 2 ways you can look at that. 1: Oh, the little brat thinks it's fine. She/he deserved it because there's a reason. OR 2: You can look past the way he's ignorantly phrased it and think, yes, shit happens, no one can control that, but it wasn't ok, it hurts like hell and it may seem like there is no hope left, but still, we can all get through life's hurdles if we can overcome all the crap it throws at us and grow stronger as we face the present and future. We can't stop death, we can't prevent what we don't know, whether it's bad or terrible, no matter how hard we need to, once it's happened, there's no turning back time, but one thing's for sure, whenever there's a will, there is a way, you can only grow stronger, you can't erase your memories; whatever has happened will only help you build your life, so you can take it the easy way out and crumble under pressure, or pull yourself together and be determined to kick shit back in the butt. These rape victims we talk about aren't cowering in their beds, getting nightmares and afraid of walking out the door, they grow up to be strong, strong women, independent and determined; they won't look back fondly at bad memories, they won't linger either, they've picked themselves up, dusted themselves off and proven that, yes, they have overcome, they aren't slaves to the past. And we should all remember that. We should never judge, and opportunitites await all those who have been hurt who believe in themselves. So, Justin, if anybody ever asks if you think rapists are cruel imbeciles who lack the self control to keep their shit to themselves, say yes.

lllookatyouhacker
lllookatyouhacker

What you've described is a deliberately or unconsciously fantasised perception of how YOU want rape victims to behave (presumably out of an ironic fear towards the sincere psychological implications of rape).

 

Not all rape victims become strong women. Some do, but not all. The idea that ALL do is fallacious knowledge, formulated upon ignorance and cowardice towards the subject of rape.

 

Rape recovery is individualistic; it depends on the person in question.

 

If this wasn't deliberate, then educate yourself before spewing such dangerous ignorance. Good god.

Morning Quickie
Morning Quickie

Everyone is blowing off what Justin is saying about abortion but what he thinks is actually really important.

If you are interested in why we should care about Justin Bieber’s opinion, read this: http://morningquickie.com/2011...

WOW
WOW

It's not your personal business to tell a two weeks pregnant rape victim that they can't get an abortion. Nor is it your business to tell a 17 year old girl who's clearly not ready for a child that she has to have a baby. All of you pro-life loons are caught up in your bible fairy tales, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even if they've been massively misconstrued by years of mistranslations and edits to a BOOK written by MEN. And the reporter is at fault here, for asking a 16 year old idiot about something important and expecting a sensible answer. Bieber's probably not a rapist. A brainless puppet, yes. Rapist or supporter of rapists or raping? No.

Poop
Poop

Way to twist his words. Give the kid a fucking break. You people and the media in general are fucking vultures. Jesus.

bieberhater666satan
bieberhater666satan

hes not fucking using the fucking breaks he have already so nobody else is getting a break from his ugly sounding voice so he deserves the reputation he have gained

Citizen618
Citizen618

He's not saying he can't judge rape, he's saying he can't judge abortion when the pregnancy is caused by rape.

Am I the only person that can read???

Anna Swank
Anna Swank

Uh, pretty sure he meant that pregnancies happen for a reason, not rape. Give the kid a break. Why is he even being asked about sex and abortion in the first place? He's a teenage pop star, not running for office!

Tamara Vallejos
Tamara Vallejos

Wow, dude. Why must LA Weekly always be so sensationalist? Yes, clearly Justin Bieber isn't the most mature person in the world (which, considering he's a child, makes sense...) but he flat out says "I wouldn't be able to judge that."

Also, what lesson does he have to learn because of the statement "I don't think you should have sex with anyone unless you love them"? That's a 100% perfectly respectable attitude to have. How is that wrong? Would you prefer that he plow everything in sight?

I'm not a fan of his, but I do feel bad for him sometimes because, come on, he's a just a dumb kid--like we all were. I'm sure he'll grow up and look back and cringe over some of his dumber statements.

FatherFrankPavone
FatherFrankPavone

Good for Justin Bieber! It's been my experience that young people are naturally pro-life. They understand that abortion is killing a baby. Many of them also understand they are here only because their mothers chose life. One-third of the generation conceived since Roe vs. Wade has been killed by abortion. I hope Justin Bieber's pro-life advocacy prompts other celebrities to use their fame to spread the word that abortion is wrong.

Guest
Guest

Actually the Bible says that until a child is a month old they are not worth anything (Oh the Bible also put a monetary value on humans: 5 shekels for a boy and 3 for a girl from one month to 5 years old - Leviticus 27:1-7.) Thus the Bible doesn't even consider a baby alive until one month after birth, so you think he wouldn't mind abortion. Also many babies have been killed throughout the Bible. Bible God actually told an army to go and slice the pregnant womens stomachs open in Samaria - Hosea 13:16. So one could say Bible God is militantly pro-abortion, as he uses the military to preform them.

Danielle Personface
Danielle Personface

We are all entitled to opinions. Please tell me you -forgot- to add the 'that abortion is wrong(in my opinion)'? :)

blaze
blaze

What a sorry state this planet would be in if there were 30% MORE humans than there are now. We've nearly destroyed it as things stand now! Perhaps more people should look into whatever forms of birth control work for them, including abortion when necessary.

thomasjcoleman
thomasjcoleman

He's also likely unaware of all the back alley, coat hanger abortions, or the lands down south where the Catholic Church rules ex cathedra, makes sure that women who have abortions or "attempt" them are given the third degree, made to name names and imprisoned (like they were here in some states), resulting in abortion rates double ours.

"Everything happens for a reason?" Sounds more like: "Shut the fuck up, relax and enjoy it; oh and one more thing: you WILL give birth or go to jail and end up a felon. The Bible tells me so!"

That is the nature of patriarchy, past, present and future; or maybe Justin's just angling for a hard core rapper gig/demo.

Yonas
Yonas

Wow, what a surprise another priest who's focus is on saving a fetus while ignoring the question at hand I.E. a woman's right to abort the growing child of her rapist from her body. Father do you really think Christ would have have so much disdain for the living female rather than this obsession with abortion and are we really so far down the road that the church can not even take a stand against the on going raping clergy that run rampant over little boys world wide?

FlyingApple
FlyingApple

Granted, abortion is one of those things that are "icky" and involves a disquieting conflict. Most important moral choices do. Children are going to see one side only because they are not yet old enough to understand the complicated responsibility involved in bringing and raising a new person into the world, or the many terrible situations in which a woman may find herself pregnant. That is precisely because they are children, with their innocence in tact. Instead, having a good appreciation of both sides of the abortion debate may actually be a good hallmark of being a thoughtful, worldly adult.

Niamhkilpatrick
Niamhkilpatrick

Young people are not naturally pro-life or pro-choice as these are meme's created by the human race. We are naturally loving and full of life, which is why we are inclined to AVOID abortion until all other possibilities have been exhausted. I have been pro-choice since I was 14, not because I believe in abortion, but because I know that women have the final rights to their bodies. No man will ever know what it means to carry life, and no man can ever know how that life may destroy the one who carries it.

RW
RW

This is a 16 year old where the Govt deems him unintelligent enough to vote and you are praising him? Abortion is wrong, but it's no one elses phucking business except for the would be father/mother, their doctor, and god. The issue focused on here is that JB has no firm stance or understanding that rape is wrong, wrong, wrong. There is no excuse or reason for it. The whole world sees JB as an imbecile and our society is being judged by it. George Bush makes America look like morons and Obama makes us look spineless and JB is Both. WTF people!!!!

tomK
tomK

You...kinda missed the other part where he dismisses rape rather nonchalantly...

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