Can an Intelligent Person Like Phish?

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Maarten de Boer
Scott Aukerman
Comedian Harris Wittels is witty and thoughtful; his writing for NBC sitcom Parks and Recreation hinges on his subtle sensibilities. He's also a huge fan of Phish, a band with which those characteristics are not usually associated.

Having attended some 70 Phish shows over the years, he counts himself among the most devoted fans of the Vermont-based jam band. His friend Scott Aukerman -- host of popular podcast Comedy Bang Bang -- finds this perplexing, and not just because Wittels doesn't have dreadlocks.

"I can't believe that a college-educated man with a respectable job likes them so much that he follows them around," Aukerman says. "Typical Phish fans are some of the most annoying people in the world."

Wittels saw Aukerman's antipathy as a challenge; after all, Aukerman hadn't really heard all that much of the band's music. So in August the pair started a spinoff podcast called Analyze Phish, which consists of Wittels playing the group's music for Aukerman and trying to convince him of its merits.

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Patrick Gookin
Harris Wittels
From the start, Aukerman was skeptical about the experiment, and after the first three episodes -- filled with deep cuts, cover tracks, live recordings and much pleading -- he remained unconvinced. Though occasionally impressed by a riff or a solo, he found the lyrics particularly awful.

Scores of Phish fans tuned in (downloads surged into the six figures) and they questioned Wittels' methods. To truly understand Phish, they insisted, you must see them live. And take drugs.

Aukerman, who is tall and sinewy with a wispy beard, was game. Though the married 41-year-old, who lives in Toluca Lake, is not a recreational drug-taker, he agreed to the full experience at one of Phish's Madison Square Garden shows just before the new year.
Using his only week of vacation, he and his wife traveled to New York, though she declined to attend the concert and, in fact, begged Aukerman not to participate.

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obliv326
obliv326

I hate phish, but i don't think it has anything to do with intelligence. i hate hearing a band play what sounds like partial scales, then partially higher scales, then a little higher, then all the way back down, then the same thing back up.... then back down. then all... the...way...back...up... then back down... ad nauseum... for 45 minutes per song.  i agree tat it takes some talent to be able to play it. i just dont believe it has any musical merit.  i think musical taste has more to do with what you are exposed to early in life than intelligence.  of course, if you realize that music can speak to you and be a near spiritual experience, you will seek that out. some people may find phish speaks to them. i think it has more to do with lack of originality than lack of intelligence. i do think there might be some correlation to a lack of intelligence and adults listening to music aimed at tweens. when 40 year old secretaries listen to katy perry (who i do believe exhibits a distinct lack of intelligence every time she opens her mouth and anything comes out of it) or taylor swift (whose music so distinctly does not challenge anyone's taste that you can practically sing every predictable lyric and sing every predictable melody the first time you hear it... including the part at the end of the chorus where the music drops off and she sings the last couple lyrics a capella) might indicate a lack of intelligence.

ate5319
ate5319

@obliv326 Phish is an acquired taste man, I used to make fun of them but enjoy music too much NOT to give any band at least a 45 min chance to impress me and I have to say, Phish IS impressive live, but give them at least one show to impress you (of course I saw them live so it blew me away). Also, ignore people like namorri.....fans like that might be part of the reason why people like you get turned off of bands like Phish. It's okay to enjoy different music and I do agree with you, the music you listened to while growing up develops your primary and secondary auditory cortex's differently, allowing information highways to adapt to a kind of music or tonality you were exposed to in a sense (this is also why some people experience Synesthesia; they overworked their neural highways when they were young). Do give them a Live performance chance though.....peace. 

namorri
namorri

@obliv326 It's hard to argue with someone that knows nothing about theory. You are not getting the tension and release aspect of what phish does (which came from miles davis).  It's playing those "partial scales" that end up resolving after it builds up.  But once again, it's hard to argue with someone who is clueless on Music Theory. 

ate5319
ate5319

@namorri @obliv326 Seriously!?!? You're trying to compare Phish to the greatness of classical? Man, the arrogance of the typical Phish fan, I listen to Phish as well and they're awesome but I never say stupid shit like, Look how great they are, even "the National Symphony Orchestra is currently" playing their stuff. Sorry I'm gonna have to say people like Ludwig van Beethoven, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Claude Debussy, Franz Liszt, ect. are WAAAAY more influential and intelligent than Phish.......most serious music theorist would agree without their contributions most enjoyed music today wouldn't even exist. And you try to compare the band Phish to the greatness of classical music? Yeah you're the typical Phish fan alright, bashing on other peoples music taste just because YOU can't understand why they like anything else....pshhh

namorri
namorri

@obliv326 Lol I love how you tried to explain Phish's music like you knew what the fuck you were talking about.  That's hilarious.  If you knew anything about music, then you would know that Phish plays more complex music than anything you have ever listened to.  Why do you think the National Symphony Orchestra is currently learning Phish songs to play with Trey Anastasio this May?  Phish writes musical compositions.  Just because your music doesn't go outside every typical genre, doesn't mean you should act like you know music.

MaxwellAtkins
MaxwellAtkins

Wow. You'll never hear me say a word against the freedom of speech, but if a country allows someone to make a piece of literary garbage THIS deplorable to appear in public, there's something wrong. 

 

You have done nothing here expect prove you are a misinformed, ignorant, troll with no sense of actualization. I feel sorry for the people in your life.

Gerald
Gerald

Look at me! I have an advanced degree and love Phish!! Whoopdeedoo... The irony is the self professed snobbery which is the main actual criticism of Phish fans, not lack of intelligence. But they bought it, hook-line-sinker. I like Phish, but many other bands and genres as well... guess I'm a freakin' super genius then.

ate5319
ate5319

@Gerald hahaha I agree man, Phish is fucking awesome, but so is so much more that is out their!!!

Lee
Lee

Better headline: Can An Unintelligent Person Judge Someone Solely Based on Musical Taste?

Debbrunsberg
Debbrunsberg

I hope he didn't pay for those non-drugs.

Kakahd
Kakahd

My friend is majoring in physics, seriously a smart dude and he owns very single phish cd. I love phish as well:)

Jenny
Jenny

Mark Kaspher - violinist with the LA Philharmonic Orchestra, on Phish: "Their harmonic language is much richer than that of typical rock groups and the structure of the pieces—especially longer ones with extended instrumental sections—is very similar to “classical” ways of building a piece. Melodic inventiveness is impressive and musical themes are actually being DEVELOPED which is an extremely rare feature in “popular” music. The rhythms are also more varied than those in average rock compositions. One question I can’t answer specifically is about which classical composer this music reminds me of. No single name comes to my mind, but that may be a good thing actually because the reason for it is—at least partly—that this music is not derivative but in fact original and it speaks in its own distinctive voice."

Hipster idiots just do it to themselves, don't they? Time and time again

WilsontheLizardofGamehenge69
WilsontheLizardofGamehenge69 like.author.displayName 1 Like

I am an extremely conservative Republican and I fucking love Phish--hardly a typical phan. But seriously anyone who dislikes Phish either simply doesn't appreciate good music or doesn't want to. Before I got into them I used to ignorantly say they sucked because so many of my friends liked them. However I am a musician and once I gave them a chance they instantly became my second favorite band...behind the Allman Bros. of course.

MsZax
MsZax

What love story??

Natatat
Natatat

Just an educated guess, but I bet Wittels' IQ is much higher than Auckerman's.

Acooke33
Acooke33

i love the The Phish, they are totally awesome !

joeybot
joeybot

It's funny though when Phish fans say you have to be stoned to love the music...it's like saying you can really appreciate Transformers 2 more if you have brain damage.

Jenny
Jenny

 Phish fans don't say that. Fuckfaces like you say that.

MaxwellAtkins
MaxwellAtkins

It's the only way that joyless, soul-less fuckheads like you can explain away your lack of understanding some something incredible.

Norm
Norm

Trying to characterize any band as "good" or "bad" as opposed to a matter of preference is cute and all that... But the real question is:  What was wrong with this guy that he drank vodka and beer, ate ecstasy and shrooms, and smoked weed and couldn't get high?!

guest
guest

there are many substances you can find on shakedown. (the main section of the black market in the parking lot.)  some are more suited for outdoors. some are best enjoyed while in groups. none are necessary. certain combinations should be avoided.

an old general guideline you can use is: 

if it's natural, it's good. if it's made in any kind of laboratory, it's possibly very bad.all in moderation of course.

"man made speed, god made weed. who do you trust?"

furthermore, people often miss the point, that your own brain factors into something like 99% of the equation.

the shwartz is in YOU Lonestar!!

some people will be tripping balls and come up with "all you need is love"others might go up on a rooftop and declare themselves a golden god.i personally have tuned a guitar by seeing the vibrations per second.others might even come up with a ridiculous theory that the song helter skelter is about an imminent race war and then convince their malleable concubines to go murder sharon tate and her friends.

"... i warn you that all knowledge seeming innocent and pure becomes a deadly weapon in the hands of avarice and greed."

so on the surface, its a cool road trip followed by a nice picnic with some interesting rock music. but if you open yourself up to it, the rabbit hole goes deeper than you can imagine.

P.S. there's also a lot of sub cultures within the sub culture.you might want to steer clear of the 12 tribes cult, the hare krishnas, and especially the nitrous mafia. (it sounds stupid i know. but they are most definitely real and very dangerous)

see you in june!

Ming Lee Aiko Aiko
Ming Lee Aiko Aiko

If you go into any show, regardless of who/ what/ where, and are looking for faults, you will find them. This guy should spend some time enjoying the ride, instead of picking apart life and looking down on others.

mfking
mfking

I'm an attorney, and I've seen Phish dozens of times. Huge fan. If you don't like them, don't bash them. Just don't listen to them. Plain and simple. Allow us to love them without your mindless distractions.

guest
guest

lol @ intelligent people listening to garth brooks and marshall tucker band. quit pretending to like chopin, phan.

Undertheboardwalk
Undertheboardwalk

 How did the intelligent people react when that guy from Phish molested that little girl and got stomped by bikers?

MaxwellAtkins
MaxwellAtkins

It's obvious by the stupidity of your statement that you didn't even give the article a single look. You are personally responsible for our species getting stupider with every passing day. Go die alone and away from me.

Mensan, Phish fan
Mensan, Phish fan like.author.displayName 1 Like

How did we react?  I, for one, read all of the coverage.  And once I saw that neither the parents nor the police ever even remotely suggested that he "molested" the girl, I moved on from the story.

TM
TM

Auckerman is sincerely the unfunneist person ever associated with Mr. Show (I would know - I was there).  He now makes a living sucking off the hind tit of any talent he manages to attach himself to (whether that be booking them on Death Ray (or whatever stupid name it is now) or "producing" thier pod cast.  This fruad of self promotion now includes back-drafting off of the band Phish.What a very pathetic (for those ever unfortunate enough to have to sit through any of his "hack") individual.Hey - Scott - How's your "good friend" BJ Porter doing?  You Moron.

Mraask
Mraask

The title of the article is incredibly misleading and the entire piece is sophomoric. I have a doctorate degree and I attend Phish shows, like many of the commenters here. I think there are thousands of us who can disprove the title of this boorish article. Now next, the Phish concert scene isn't for everyone. Drugs are there, but that certainly doesn't mean everyone is on drugs. I do not do drugs and many times, I have not even imbibed in a cocktail prior to attending a Phish show, and frankly I appreciate the clarity that provides. If this article is true, I think the author is the unintelligent one for ingesting foreign substances, the content of which was unknown to him at the time. Real bright, pal!

:P
:P

me fail english? that's unpossible!

trifecta
trifecta

 

I have been listening and seeing phish since 1993 andhave been to over 200+ shows (was on phish tour from 96-2000 ) have an undergrad degree in International economics, post grade degree in Accounting, sat for the CPAexam, Speak Mandarin Chinese as a second language, have lived in China for 10years and have companies in both Shanghai and Hong Kong. I have a beach houseon koh chang island in Thailand and two companies in the US with one in  Fort LauderderdaleFlorida where i also have a condo across the street from the beach.   I Have traveled the world and do business inAfrica, Latin America, Asia, Middle East and North America.  My musical tastes were transformed by Phishand the Grateful Dead in the early 90’s and I owe to them everything I am today,the sense of adventure and the taste for “intelligent music!”  

anopenmind
anopenmind

One of the most self-satisfied and unfunny people ever to get in front of a microphone. It's really sad that a seat was wasted at a Phish show for Scott Aukerman. 

MaxwellAtkins
MaxwellAtkins

I feel sorry for the people who had to be in his general vicinity. I bet he just oozes hatred and stupidity. 

Antwerp74
Antwerp74

Do "Intelligent" people think "Parks and Recreation" is funny? The answer is astoundingly no. The fact that one of you assclows claims to be a phish fan, yet abuses his position of fleeting "fame" to openly mock the band and it's fans shows a lack of intelligence. I'd hope you do the "Intelligent" thing and stay as far away from the scene as you can. Each pathetic swipe you take just solidifies what is wrong with attention whores like yourselves. No one thinks you are funny and everyone thinks you are two douchenozzles.

SammySosa77
SammySosa77

- David Byrne called Phish "absolutely phenomenal" and co-wrote music with Trey Anastasio

- Peter Gabriel was slated to perform The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway with Phish in 1998

- David Fricke, one of the most respected music critics ever, thus making Ben look like an amateur, called Phish "the most important band of the '90s"

- Vampire Weekend recently praised Phish in a series of interviews

- The National & Mates of State are working on an album with Trey right now

- "It's just as easy to be surprised by a Phish song and have it sound like none of the aforementioned; to hear hints of classical music, the grandiosity of a Who rock opera, or the melodic prowess of Lennon/McCartney" -  Carrie Brownstein, Sleater-Kinney

- "In America, I'm drawn to a band like Phish" - Robert Plant

- "I'm totally knocked out with their flexibility and ambition to play all this wildly different stuff." - Pat Metheny

- "Phish is a great band" - Chris Franz, Tom Tom Club

But forget all of these idiots. They like Phish, so they're not intelligent.

Fruncusjd
Fruncusjd

I'm very stupid and I like Phish.

Poop
Poop

oh no.. look out.  Phantasy Tour is going to ruin your life!  Self'd.

Guest
Guest

This may be one of the most offensive and ignorant articles I have ever read, starting from the title. Can an intelligent person like Phish? Is that a joke? Aukerman is a pathetic human being for stating that typical Phish fans are annoying. To make the assumption that most fans prefer to be high while attending a show is irrational. Shouldn't a good piece of writing have evidence and sources if they are going to make such a bold statement? I would love to hear what types of "intelligent" music this asshole listens to. It is a shame how hateful, judgmental, and pathetic some people are in our society.

Phishproject
Phishproject

Stuyvesant H.S. > Amherst College summa cum laude > Harvard PhD > sweet stereotype, brah

Bigmouth
Bigmouth

 Yale College -> Harvard Law

Agreed

guest
guest

if yale and harvard are so great, how the f--- did they give degrees to george w. bush?imo education in this country is a scam

ThaDreamer
ThaDreamer

Phish is a band of musical geniuses.  LA Weekly known for obscure musical takes lately.  Last month one writer thought he was superman dissing Chuck D.  unreal.

Stephenson Billings
Stephenson Billings

This outrageous music is not something any journalist should make light of. It is disgusting, dangerous and downright anti-American. As someone who has devoted his life to helping our youths, I am offended that this journalist would treat a subject like the Phish so lightly. 

Thedevil
Thedevil

 I don't live too far from Dyersburg. Maybe I'll come up there and take a big shit on your face. Praise Satan.

wetcasements
wetcasements

Phish and their fans are a huge embarrassment to my fellow white people.

Seriously?
Seriously?

You're doing quite well on your own.

Shane Kennedy
Shane Kennedy

I always thought that I didn't like Phish because I wasn't intelligent ENOUGH.

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