Sorry, But Kanye Is the GOAT

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5) 808s & Heartbreak is not that good
Wait, it's the Future era and folks are still complaining about Auto-Tune? Not only did Jay not successfully kill it off, but it's come to be as ubiquitous in pop and hip-hop as, we don't know, 808s. (And yes, we're still waiting on that critical reevaluation of T-Pain.)

What everyone who wasn't blinded by the great anti-disco-style Auto-Tune hysteria of the late aughts already knows, of course, is this: What makes 808s great is the songwriting. The work, a downer concept album focusing on relationships that was somehow a giant hit, pioneered the now-pervasive "sad robot" subgenre, and helped solidify the idea that it was ok to be really, really vulnerable in rap.

It's built on real emotion, channeled eloquently. And we'd say the song structures are Beatlesque, if not for the fact Kanye's achievement is probably greater than the Beatles', if only because he did a lot more producing than they.

6) OutKast is the GOAT
Sure maybe if you take OutKast's first five albums -- but pry The Love Below out of the double CD case and replace it with Sir Lucious Left Foot -- and pit them against Kanye's five albums, then maybe it's close. But that's a lot of math.

7) My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy won't hold up
Yeah, after our initial obsession with the work we too thought that. And it was definitely a terrible thing for Pitchfork to give it a 10.0. But we challenge any doubters to listen to MBDTF again, right now, and see if you're not caught up all over again. Truth is it sounds as good now as it did before, maybe better. Raekwon, Nicki Minaj, Pusha T, Bon Iver and Fergie alike are at peak form, and that's a strange sentence to write. In fact, we'll even go so far as to say the 34 minute "Runaway" video holds up.

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8) Tupac is the GOAT
If you genuinely feel this way then there's probably no talking you out of it here, and in terms of worldwide cultural influence there's admittedly no topping Tupac. (And that's comparing him to any cultural artifact short of Baywatch.) But c'mon. Also, let's be honest, "Hey Mama" > "Dear Mama."

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typhoonrecords
typhoonrecords

EVER SEE "FADE TO BLACK'..KANYES SHOWIN JAY THE NEW SONG.."LUCIFER"W /NEW LYRICS FOR JAY..

originoomwizi
originoomwizi

Your article is worthless!!!!  How dare you sit up here and say that Kanye is Better than JayZ or Em.....look man i understand you got the gift to write and are a big kanye fan.... yeah yeah..you probably own all his albums and what not... but I got a newsflash for you kid... take if from a cat thats been in this shit since elementary....  JayZ first 4-5 albums or Eminems first 3 albums alone wipe out 99.9 of the competition when it comes to GOATs talks...so either you are ultimately dick riding Kanye or you are just ultimately riding Kanye's Dick... Either Or, not both.. So pick one.

originoomwizi
originoomwizi like.author.displayName 1 Like

This is  a DUMB ass post....your sitting here trying to incorporate all these other aspects of Kanyes talent to justify why he is the GOAT... FOH!  

Lets Just Keep it basic for your elementary ass.....

DOpe Hip Hop Artist  = Dope Rhymes over Dope Beats (regardless of who makes them)

Therefore..... Kanye is not even the Top Ten.. maybe when its all said and done maybe....

KANYE is not FUCKIN with JAY Z, EMINEM, or NAS, TUPAC or BIG...... you know how i know so??...because Kanye himself would say he's not.. thats why.... This is a dumb ass article!

Kanye has never battled anyone nor even dissed anybody in hip hop or been challeged in hip hop...FOH! with this nonsense article..

Kanyes not even a top ten rapper... yeah he has made impact musically with his production and songs... but thats where it ends...

Jipali
Jipali like.author.displayName 1 Like

He did say hip hop artist so that qualifies it alot

If you say greatest rapper its no contest Rakim - the real debate would be who is the second best rapper? Probably Nas

Charlemagne Tarkovsky
Charlemagne Tarkovsky like.author.displayName 1 Like

Why don't we sum up the past week for LA Weekly- * Justin Bieber is a talented musician * Superficial teenage girls have the best taste in music * Kanye West is the greatest rapper of all time * "How did Odd Future get the idea of putting cats on shirts?" * Jessica Alba was in Santa Monica today WORLD CLASS JOURNALISM, GUYS. SO RAW.

FuckABlogger
FuckABlogger

Ight but what about Eminem, where's your argument against him, the combination of Em and Dre took rap to levels both commercially and artistically that will never be reached ever again, not even by Mr. West

fred.zaw
fred.zaw

@FuckABlogger Eminem would be a contender if we were talking about lyrics or rappers. But we are talking about "greatest hip-hop artist" here. Eminem and Dre, without a doubt took hip-hop culture to new levels, but in pales in comparison to the amount of influence Kanye has had internationally and in pop culture.

Also consider Eminem's albums - I don't think any of them measure up to the consistency that Kanye has. 

originoomwizi
originoomwizi

Kanye's consistency...on what level?  dude what the fuck are you talking about.....The only thing consistent abotu Kanye west is ability to make ridiculous comments and do overboard things to get the medias attention....  College Dropout was good.. but lets be honest its not fuckin with Em's Slim Shady LP, MM, or Eminem show..or recovery.....lets be clear...Kanye makes great music...But his music doesnt stand the test of time.... Can recall the last time someone said "Damn that Kanye album really made a dent in the game"   Kanyes good..But Eminem is Great....Kanyes dope...but JayZ is Phenomoenal

TylerAaronMyer
TylerAaronMyer

@FuckABlogger Em is pretty much the only person I think this is hard to argue against. For me, it is about how many songs made by each artist that I absolutely hate. Maybe that's not completely fair, but I can barely listen to Relapse, while Kanye is pretty consistent in releasing songs that I can at least listen through without my ears starting to bleed.

originoomwizi
originoomwizi

What about 808s and Heartbreak...that was surely a fuck up...I dont know anybody that just plain out listen to that.....

Iam picking Eminem album over Kanyes anyday...I can listen to Relapse...Eminems worse album still kills 95% of the competition because his Bar is set so high..

guzman_andrew
guzman_andrew like.author.displayName 1 Like

Reading this article, or whatever it is, just made me sick. I read it twice, just to make sure I did not leave anything out. I don't hate Kanye, but I am pretty damn sure that he is not the greatest artist of all time. This opinion  of LA Weekly or of Mr. Westoff is garbage.

fred.zaw
fred.zaw

@guzman_andrew Maybe you should read it a third time. It claims he is the greatest hip-hop artist of all time. And also, maybe you'd like to shed some light on why you think this opinion is garbage, because it seems pretty well supported in the article.

originoomwizi
originoomwizi

SHit is Garbage bro...get off of MR. West off's  nuts....oh I forgot Mr. West Off is too busy getting Mr. West (kanye) off....cause he's on his dick..

Articles trash bro!

natialmayex
natialmayex

This isn't one of those arguments meant to piss people off or "start a conversation." We really mean it. Really, you dont say!

branley
branley

I was vibing with this article until you said Jay's verse on Never Let Me Down was trash. He makes that song so much better. Hip hop at its finest.

branley
branley

I was vibing with this article until you said Jay's verse on Never Let Me Down was trash. He makes that song so much better. Hip hop at its finest.

Mario Rodriguez
Mario Rodriguez

He's lame ! Wishes he could be as talented as Taylor Swift. Where he only appeals to urban America Taylor appeals to the entire world!

Heriberto Reyes
Heriberto Reyes

great article. LOL'ed at the comments about tupac being better than kanye.

Roman Zaytsev
Roman Zaytsev like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Sometimes while reading LA Weekly I think, "Hey, I should try this taco shop when I'm in that area sometime." And sometimes I think "whoever wrote this article doesn't deserve to live on this planet."

Sam Isatlacc
Sam Isatlacc like.author.displayName 1 Like

He is the SHEEP: the STUPIDEST HEIFFER EVER (to) EVOKE PITY; the SHEEP.

Harlem
Harlem like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Good thing you said "sorry" at the beginning, you shortsighted clown. I wont even dignify this article with a full response - but pay homage to the PIONEERS... Pac alive = kanye without a job.

wrequiem
wrequiem

@Harlem "If you genuinely feel this way then there's probably no talking you out of it here"

Are all tupac fans really this predictable?

John Rocha
John Rocha like.author.displayName 1 Like

F U Kanye and every thin you STAND FOR!!

Jimmy Alfaro
Jimmy Alfaro like.author.displayName 1 Like

I'm not convinced Kanye tops Tupac's POSTHUMOUS work, much less the genius that was released when he was alive. LA Weekly should revoke this blogger's right to an opinion :P

Cr Tez
Cr Tez

What a croak of GOAT cheese....Kanye does not even know how to pick a classy lady as his mate.......iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiesh....

Albert Torres
Albert Torres

Not sure who's the bigger douche, Kanye West or all these white folks professing their love for "'Real Hip Hop, you know? KRS One, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, De La Soul, Wu Tang, you know, The Old School.'" The butthurt is strong with this thread.

Amanda Pontius
Amanda Pontius

Hahaha this is why I hate the LA weekly. Their writers suck, & it's a bunch of ill informed white people acting like they can comment on this shit. Of course you chose Kanye.

Tom Bailey
Tom Bailey

shut up and grow up la weekly don't presume you're knowledge is the be all and end all

John Motter
John Motter

stick to telling us where to get tacos

Henry Hennessy
Henry Hennessy

fuck kanye ...and fuck good music and fuck la weekly

Raúl Pea
Raúl Pea like.author.displayName 1 Like

I liked Kanye's 1st album now he's such a pompous prick..

Kenny Iraheta
Kenny Iraheta

A lot of you missed the point. The author isn't arguing that Kanye is the best lyricist, rapper, etc., but rather, he's the best artist since he's succeeded in various aspects that constitute the definition of an artist: changing the game, writing beats, artistic experimentation and originality. Kanye has been successful in all aspects, whereas other artists, are only successful in one aspect. (Btw my favorite lyricist is Big L & Talib Kweli and beat maker, hands down, is dj premier.)

Larry Larson
Larry Larson like.author.displayName 1 Like

This article says Kanye's Hey Mama is better than 2Pac's Dear Mama. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

Michelle Klein-Hass
Michelle Klein-Hass

He's a goat alright but not G.O.A.T. That distinction goes to the mighty Chuck D.

Larry Larson
Larry Larson

2pac is. Kanye wouldn't even agree with this.

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