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A clearer picture is emerging of Elgin Nathan James, who was arrested yesterday in Silver Lake on charges of extorting a "popular recording artist from the Chicago area." James, who founded an organization called FSU, which the authorities say is little more than a street gang, ran with a pretty impressive group of Angelenos. More on that in a sec.

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From Sundance to Indictment: Elgin James at the Sundance Labs earlier this year.

According to Reuters:

Elgin Nathan James, a self-proclaimed founding member of Boston-based FSU -- which stands for "Friends Stand United" -- was arrested on Monday by FBI agents at his Los Angeles home. The attempted extortion charge was then unsealed by the prosecutor's office in Chicago.

According to Reuters:

FSU boasted in videos dating to 2004 about beatings it administered to punk music fans and performers. The aim was to establish control at clubs and concert venues and drive "Nazi skinheads" out, according to prosecutors.

The Department of Justice press release goes into detail about James' and FSU's history:

In a documentary-style video entitled "Boston Beatdown II," produced in 2004, James and other FSU members described the circumstances surrounding FSU's formation and existence and boasted about the gang's beatings and violent methods used to carry them out. FSU members are shown repeatedly beating individuals at hardcore punk rock concerts and on Boston streets. In October 2008, FSU was featured in a History Channel episode of "Gangland," called "Rage Against Society." James and other FSU members who were interviewed described the formation of FSU in Boston and its development into a national street gang during 2004-2006.

Specifically, an incident in Chicago was James' unraveling, according to the FBI; a member of an unnamed band was touring in Boston, and had a run-in with someone in "Rock Band A":

In July and August 2005, the complaint alleges, the victim's band was taking part in an alternative music and extreme sports festival that tours North America in the spring and summer. At that time, according to the victim, the victim was a friend of some members of Rock Band A, also from Chicago, that was participating in the same tour. During a visit to Rock Band A's tour bus one night, the victim had a disagreement with an employee of Rock Band A, who the victim later learned was associated with an FSU member in Chicago

Later that year, in Boston, the victim's band did a gig, and six members of FSU allegedly attacked a member of the band, according to the FBI: "On Oct. 7, 2005, the victim's band was in the Boston area and, as the victim was walking to the tour bus before the show, six unknown men approached the victim, pushed the victim to the ground, and repeatedly kicked and punched the victim, while a security guard simply watched. The victim and an individual who came to the victim's aid were both injured and the victim's band did not perform that night, fearing further attack, the charges allege."

A member of the victim's band was attacked again in Orlando later that same year, and afterward allegedly received a phone call from James. According to the FBI's complaint, "James asked how the victim's trip to Florida was going when the victim had never told James that the victim would be traveling in Florida. After the victim told James that the victim would not be paying the $5,000, James allegedly ended the call sarcastically, which the victim understood to mean that further attacks would ensue. As a result of this fear, in early December, the victim contacted the FBI in Chicago and agreed to cooperate and record additional phone calls, according to the complaint."

Elgin is no small-time thug. In fact, he has a pretty impressive resume, according to his Wiki. He was featured on National Georgraphic, was written about in Rolling Stone, and moved out to LA to learn film making. He attended the exclusive Sundance Screenwriters Lab, a fellowship program that has had as fellows Quentin Tarantino, Paul Thomas Anderson, Alison Anders (Mi Vida Loca) and Darren Aronofsky.

Pete Wentz in "GOODNIGHT MOON" Trailer

He made inroads, and hooked up with Fallout Boy's Pete Wentz to make a short entitled Goodnight Moon -- watch the trailer above. Goodnight Moon was a semi-autobiographical screenplay written by James.

The punkers at Punknews.com really dug Elgin Nathan James' band, Righteous Jams, shown above. But a few commenters said that FSU were a bunch of assholes: FUCK FSU, fucking dumbass losers. I had a friend get his ass kicked by 5 guys who said they were FSU . 1 GUY AGAINST 5!!! So i found out who they were and beat their asses 1 at a time . They are only strong in numbers and dumb as bricks by themselves. Oh and also , any FSU guys on here that want to go 1 on 1 go fuck yourself Im too old.

According to Absolutepunk.net Elgin had started a band with New Found Glory's Chad Gilbert, which is to be released this year. No word on whether that will happen now.

He's being arraigned today in LA. We'll let you know more as we learn details.

But the big question, of course, is 'WHO IS ROCK BAND A'. A little bit of Internet research uncovers this tidbit: Fallout Boy was playing in Lowell, Mass. on October 8, 2005, and had a two day break after their show in Rochester, NY on October 5. Fallout Boy is from Chicago. But then, so are a lot of other mediocre punk bands.

UPDATE: An astute commenter just answered that question: The Nintendo Fusion Tour toured the northeast during that time. The tour featured Fallout Boy (Chicago), Panic at the Disco (Las Vegas), Motion City Soundtrack (Minneapolis), Boys Night Out (Ontario, Canada), The Starting Line (Churchville, PA). Whether this has anything to do with anything, however, is purely speculative. Nor do we know the name of the victim's band, also from Chicago.

UPDATE: Chicago Tribune is reporting that the victim was in punk band Mest. (Thanks, commenter @michael)

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Comments (23)

R says:

That was the Nintendo Fusion tour:

The Starting Line,
Motion City Soundtrack
Boys Night Out
Panic at the Disco (their bodyguard now is associated with FSU I believe)

Posted On: Wednesday, Jul. 15 2009 @ 2:25PM
michael says:

According to the Chicago Tribune the band is Mest. Which makes it way more interesting. The lead singer of Mest has admitted to being in a white power band. He also murdered his girlfriends ex-boyfriend a couple years ago in Studio City. Now it makes sense how a guy could repeatedly stab someone to death and get off with "self defense". I'm sure the family of his victim would love to know their son is only worth a rumored $5000.

So we have a white power murderer vs. a guy/crew that beat up Skinhead Nazi's and drug dealers. Interesting.

Posted On: Wednesday, Jul. 15 2009 @ 3:34PM
Roberts says:

@michael: it sounds like the makings of an amazing screenplay, actually. Thanks for the info!

Posted On: Wednesday, Jul. 15 2009 @ 3:51PM
Anonymous says:

Looks like James is going to be a nazis bitch in prison....talk about getting thrown in with a pack of lions!!! HAHAHA FSU are really a bunch of sissys

Posted On: Wednesday, Jul. 15 2009 @ 4:21PM
Johnny says:

I wish Elgin all the best...sounds like he was doing what anyone should have done in a situation like this.

Posted On: Wednesday, Jul. 15 2009 @ 4:51PM
Anonymous says:

the band is Mest and the confidental informant is the gutiar/singer Tony.

100$

Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 16 2009 @ 8:10AM
Hadley says:

FSU also stands for F--- S--- Up!

Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 16 2009 @ 8:48AM
C$R says:

Someone really wants to put Elgin away.. what a shame, especially when he has done so much to turn his life around and start again.

P.S. Every white power supporter deserves a reality check. Don't stop looking over your shoulder hillbillies.

Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 16 2009 @ 9:40AM
CoreForLife says:

FSU ruined hardcore in Boston for a long time.

Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 16 2009 @ 10:00AM
Nazis? says:

It's pretty easy to 'kick the nazis out' when you are 'the nazis.'

These thugs just changed their uniforms.

I never remember having a problem with nazis in Boston though.

I definitely remember how these fools(and their mentally retarded fanboys that defend them every chance they get) ruined countless shows.

I'm glad someone is finally doing something about these violent apes.

Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 16 2009 @ 10:28AM
FSU is shit says:

Big LOL to this.. Karma is a bitch! This is not the first time fsu members have used extortion to scare and rip off punk and hardcore bands. Kids have to deal with these boneheads in the northeast all the time. They destroyed the hardcore scene here and I think most are closet homos..

Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 16 2009 @ 12:55PM
Anonymous says:

Elgin is of mixed race, many of the other FSU members are African-American and Hispanic, kind of hard to be a Nazi when you're one of the people they want to exterminate.

Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 16 2009 @ 3:13PM
Anonymous says:

The first tour was the Warped Tour, which Mest was on along with Fall Out Boy. FOB's security crew are Chicago based FSU members.

The FBI release talks of the band at issue being in Japan in January 2006. According to the Mest wikipedia entry, the Mest announced their breakup on January 13, 2006 while on tour in Japan.

The FBI release also mentions "s. On Oct. 7, 2005, the victim's band was in the Boston area and, as the victim was walking to the tour bus before the show, six unknown men approached the victim, pushed the victim to the ground, and repeatedly kicked and punched the victim . . . and the victim's band did not perform that night, fearing further attack, the charges allege."

According to a Mest fansite (http://www.mest.it/englishversion.html) "Mest didin't show up at the Social Distortion show in Worcester, MA on October 7th.
There was a fight that Tony was involved in but he didn't get his ass kicked. The fight happened right as Mest was supposed to go on stage and they missed their set time."

So, we know for sure that the band was Mest, but WHY IN THE WORLD did the FBI make an arrest 3 1/2 years later over a $5,000 matter. There is clearly something bigger going on here as they had all the evidence they need in 2006...why wait until 2009? I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.


Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 16 2009 @ 4:00PM
Anonymous says:

Why? Because Tony Lovato is a murderer. People don't get off with self defense after a two day investigation when they repeatedly stab someone to death. It looks like the FBI pressured the LAPD to drop the charges then waited a while, hoping people would forget about it. Maybe they are going after something more, but using Tony Lovato a guy who should be in jail himself, seems fishy.

Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 16 2009 @ 7:46PM
Anonymous says:

hey anonymous... you are a dumbass.... he didnt mean nazi like white power nazi... he meant acting like nazis... using analogies... get into it...

this other dumbass was in white power band when he was like 14 and left that stuff behind... dont act like you did nothin stupid when you were 14 just to fit in or rebel... i like how peeps that like fsu are tryin to turn this into being ok cause he was white power when he wasnt...

Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 16 2009 @ 8:02PM
Anonymous says:

the band is MEST. they are awful and deserve to be beaten up

Posted On: Friday, Jul. 17 2009 @ 7:31PM
Anonymous says:

If every one of the FSU losers who have moved out here and are trying to take over the music industry died in a fire we would all be better off. First they ruin Boston, then the Northwest, now LA. Watch. They're already at every show acting tough. Pretty ridiculous to see a bunch of fat kids with poorly covered-up SXE tattoos slamming beers outside the venue, acting as if they run LA. Wait till the real gangs find out how these morons are trying to "claim" things as their own.

Regardless of whatever the Mest kid did, FSU is a fucking stain on the planet.

Posted On: Saturday, Jul. 18 2009 @ 11:43PM
Hugh Jorgan says:

I think I speak for all MEST fans when I ask, "What's the Dillio" ?!?!?

Posted On: Monday, Jul. 20 2009 @ 6:32AM
Anonymous says:

Hmmm…Bruce Swaintock (may have spelled that wrong) who was an original member of FSU was a Confederate Hammerskin in the mid-1980’s. Nathan James was a skinhead from Connecticut who didn’t mind fence sitting–think back to Forced Reality days– until somehow FSU got a name for “fighting nazis”. Incidentally, I am a Boston native and saw very few Nazi skins in the area. The few that showed up got chased away pretty quick. Sure, FSU might have been involved in that but it was a case of personality clashes and “turf” BS, nothing about being crusading anti-racists.

I knew Nathan vaguely when he worked the door at The Paradise in Boston and got along well enough with him. The trouble is, Nathan will say anything you want to hear, depending on the crowd or who is listening. I’ve met few people who want to be “infamous” more.

As for the SXE thing, I have no idea where that all started. I know Nathan didn’t do drugs or drink but I met plenty of FSU members who did. And listened to racist bands, for that matter.

Some of the FSU guys I knew were okay, some were big assholes. But it does seem like the latter category ultimately won out…I never feared going to a show because of “Nazi skins” but certainly would think twice if there was going to be a large FSU presence.

I’m no FSU expert and wouldn’t want to be. Just telling people what I saw in the late 1980’s, early ’90’s before shit like this made me give it up for Nick Drake records.

What goes around, comes around, doesn’t matter if you are a white power asshole, a drug dealing asshole or a “saving hardcore” asshole.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 21 2009 @ 5:54PM
Anonymous says:

Nathan is very good at manipulation and self promotion...

So much of the stuff he says about himself in the History Channel's "Gangland", the Rolling Stone article, Wiki, etc. is simply made up or spun to create an impression...

I guess the History Channel, Rolling Stone and Sundance get more mileage out of the hype....doesn't seem like anyone bothers to fact check any of this stuff...

You're all being played...

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 21 2009 @ 6:23PM
Anonymous says:

Elgin James is the James Frey of film.

A privileged upbringing in Connecticut spun to sound tough - with made up stories to boot.

According to the Sundance Institute: Elgin wasn't approaching 40 and trying to capitalize on his embellished stories, he was "crawling out of the criminal lifestyle and settling in Los Angeles"

Apparently, the guy from Mest that he was taunting and having beaten didn't get the message that Elgin was "crawling out of the criminal lifestyle"

P.T. Barnum would be proud

Posted On: Wednesday, Jul. 22 2009 @ 2:34PM
beaner jesus says:

That's an interesting comment. I live in l.a. and have never heared of fsu.

They must be a bunch of posers if they can't hang at a TSOL show.

>>If every one of the FSU losers who have moved out here and are trying to take over the music industry died in a fire we would all be better off. First they ruin Boston, then the Northwest, now LA. Watch. They're already at every show acting tough. Pretty ridiculous to see a bunch of fat kids with poorly covered-up SXE tattoos slamming beers outside the venue, acting as if they run LA. Wait till the real gangs find out how these morons are trying to "claim" things as their own.

Regardless of whatever the Mest kid did, FSU is a fucking stain on the planet.

Posted On: Wednesday, Oct. 28 2009 @ 10:27AM
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Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 26 2010 @ 8:20AM

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